Vaping in Public places indoor. Do you do it?

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  1. Kopfstimmen

    Kopfstimmen Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    May 12, 2012
    Haha! Well said, Sailorman! :)
    My answer to the question: I vape in public outside - no problem. I will also vape inside public buildings, but will be a little more stealthy about it. My boss has no problem with it at work, so I take a quick hit now and then. I was at a grill party the day before yesterday, and vaped through the whole thing - even when there were kids around - if their parents feel that they can be around people drinking beer, then they can live with my vaping, is my opinion.

    As far as friends and their cars or houses go, it's up to them. As far as my car or house goes, it's up to me. My stance is that if you don't like it, get out and walk or visit someone else. :)
     
  2. LtrlHzrd

    LtrlHzrd Full Member Verified Member

    Oct 1, 2010
    Los Angeles
    funny i used to feel the pull to vape with my fellow smokers. Now the smoke really bothers me and I cant stand the smell of being around them. I keep it low key as to not deal with nay-sayers but im vaping pretty much anywhere i want but I'm respectful of kids and crowded areas.
     
  3. username1970

    username1970 Full Member

    May 14, 2012
    USA
    I'm still relatively new to this scene, but I try to be discrete about it. There's nothing to be gained by drawing attention to oneself. In places like grocery stores I don't do it - I'm in there for a maximum of 15 minutes anyway. If I'm drinking in a bar I will do so. My waitress noticed the other night and said there was nothing wrong with it.
     
  4. ahall

    ahall Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 7, 2012
    illinois
    illinois corrupt? noooooo. as for police out here yes a lot seem to be on a power trip hello drew peterson anyone. but there is also a fine line when challenging them. i do not wish to spend the night in jail which half the police in my area would not hesitate to do obstructing justice or some other bull charge. so i think i would draw my line there. but congrats to you for doing it successfully and not ending up in trouble. but that said. while i wouldnt challenge them i would make sure they knew what i had and what i was doing and the diff between smoking and vaping
     
  5. Cherryblossom

    Cherryblossom Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 18, 2012
    Florida
    I live and work on a military installation, and they've lumped electronic cigarettes in with tobacco. You're supposed to use it only in designated smoking areas. So when on base I just vape in my car, and leave it at that. Oddly enough even when off base and out in public I still only vape in my car. I don't like how confrontational some people can be, and I'd rather not have to deal with some idiot getting up in my face because he's just positive I'm doing something that somehow infringes on him. I figure I can vape as much as I want in my car, or home and that's enough for me. Now when I'm in my car or at home, I vape constantly......
     
  6. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    I also live in California, and I usually ask for permission first, but not always...

    --I have vaped openly in a few bars restaurants when I was given permission
    --I have stealth vaped in a ton of restaurants and nobody has ever known
    --I always stealth vape in movie theaters and other venues and nobody has ever known
    --I once vaped openly inside a Padres game but was sitting with a wall at my back and had gotten permission
    --I once was told I could not vape in a Padres game and so I stealth vaped instead
    --I once vaped openly in front of security guards in the hallway of a concert at intermission
    --I have stealth vaped on airplanes many times and nobody has ever known
    --Every now and then I may take a puff in a grocery or department store if nobody is around
     
  7. flippinbird87

    flippinbird87 Moved On

    Jun 9, 2012
    St. Louis
    I vape mostly outside in public, in my house, in my car, and when I am at the mall or any huge buildings with a lot of empty space since then I feel I have no obligation to cease vaping until someone tries to through me out. If I am at a bar or resturaunt I ask and usually have no objections. Also thanks to sailorman for the info on the content of the vapors exhaled, it reassures me that I am not having a negative effect (healthwise) to others and to my 'tiel.
     
  8. ahall

    ahall Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 7, 2012
    illinois
    i had the same worry with my tiel and keet. it is great to know that there is no ill affects on them. and should be reassuring to anyone that has doubts to its affects on humans. birds resp. system is so very sensitive.and if there was any animal human/other that would have issues due to it it would be a birds. heck they die from candles/teflon/air fresheners all the time. even when used in a diff room
     
  9. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    The answer to your problem is to show him the facts.

    And the fact is, the FDA study actually PROVES how harmless the exhaled vapor is.
    I have seen a number of arguments that clearly show exactly that fact.

    Check out the comments that follow this article as a resource for some of those arguments...
    Electronic cigarettes: Help or hazard? - Harvard Health Publications


    The bottom line is this...

    The press release put out by the FDA, and the information on their website is purposely misleading.

    But the actual test results, when you review the FDA study, show the following...
    --Carcinogens found in the liquid of only 5 of 10 cartridges tested
    --The "anti-freeze" was DEG which was found in the liquid of only 1 of 18 cartridges tested
    --Neither carcinogens nor DEG was found in any of the vapor

    See page four of the following: Actual FDA test results

    The real conclusion is that the contents of the liquid are no more harmful to the user than FDA approved smoking cessation products.
    And that the actual vapor delivered to the user is essentially harmless.

    And if it is harmless to the user, it is most certainly harmless to any bystanders.
     
  10. Jaymzifer

    Jaymzifer Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 9, 2012
    Cucamonga, SoCal
    As its been said already, it's really up to location. I vape out in public, in stores, malls, restaurants, etc. I rarely get any looks from folks, my pv also looks nothing like an analog. When I do get questions my son is usually there with me to tell anyone how proud he is that his father quit tobacco.
     
  11. mwplefty

    mwplefty Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 28, 2012
    Chicago, IL
    I vape indoors. I used to ask but now I just do it wherever I feel like it. However, I don't vape at gas stations because it's like one of those "yelling fire in a crowded theater." It could cause people to go into an extreme panic mode, fearing that the gas station is going to explode. That is the only place where I "care" if other people think it looks like a cigarette. Elsewhere, I don't care if they think it looks like an analog.
     
  12. mwplefty

    mwplefty Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 28, 2012
    Chicago, IL
    You have to be careful in the plane. Many airlines have banned the use of e-cigs while in flight because "it could confuse the other passengers."
     
  13. kwalka

    kwalka Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Jan 23, 2012
    Clearwater, Florida
    Respectfull of what? Your not smoking. Your not emitting anything harmfull. This is the perfect example of the mindset we need to change. If we as a community cant even hold our heads high, how can we expect the uninitiated to ever see things our way when it comes time to vote or decide on vaping bans. VAPING not smoking. We need to be educating the general public as to what it is we have and what were doing not hiding and acting like were doing something wrong.
     
  14. mwplefty

    mwplefty Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 28, 2012
    Chicago, IL
    I live in the northwest suburbs of Chicago. I have vaped in restaurants and Barnes & Noble while waiting at the cafe for my beverage. I also vaped in a recreational facility. The only people who reacted were my friends and co-workers with whom I was there. I will say that I feel more comfortable vaping in Indiana. They are less progressive there lol.
     
  15. kwalka

    kwalka Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Jan 23, 2012
    Clearwater, Florida
    I vape openly and proudly everywhere. I welcome inquiries. I wish someone handed me an e cig 5 yrs ago. I have become an unofficial spokesman for vaping. I carry ECF cards w me and am always talking to people about it. WTS, I used to fly a lot for work, and knowing how the atmosphere in a plane is, and how everyone is always on edge, especially after 9/11, I would go in the bathroom to vape. That is the only example I can imagine besides say a courtroom where I wouldn't vape proudly and openly.
     
  16. kingcobra

    kingcobra Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 17, 2011
    Canada
    I would never ask anyone if it was OK with them if I vaped, because that would open up the possibility that there was something possibly wrong with it. I doubt anyone asks people if they can use their nicorette inhalers either. I think the whole issue here is calling these things e-cigarettes, which confuses a lot of people. Oddly enough, it's not the public that are confused, it's the users, thinking that like smoking they are engaging in a potentially objectionable practice.

    So if we look to ask permission or look to hide it, then we are suggesting that there is something wrong with the practice. Now people can do what they want but this does a disservice to the practice of vaping. People need to get a grip here and realize what they are actually doing and that's using a nicotine inhaler. There's nothing to suggest that this is something people need to be concerned about at all, unlike if we smoked.

    So what happens is that rules get put up which equate vaping with smoking and although that is patently ridiculous, we don't speak up and play along with this ridiculous charade. In 15 months no one has ever objected to my vaping, I don't hide it, a few people have asked me what this is and when I tell them I always get the best wishes I've ever gotten. Way to go man, keep it up! Wow that thing got you off cigarettes, I want to quit too or I know someone who wants to, how do you get that thing?

    The main thing is that we realize that this is not smoking and we need not treat it as if it was. If you do feel the need to ask, at least ask them the right question, such as do you mind if I use my stop smoking aid or nicotine inhaler, and when they look at you like you are an idiot, you can show them how it works and maybe convert some people :)
     
  17. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    The bottom line is that in any establishment, it is up to the owner to allow vaping or not to allow vaping.
    Most establishments have not made any rules regarding this yet, but will have to some day.

    There is a line we need to be thinking about, and everyone has their own decision regarding the crossing of that line.

    The problem with openly vaping everywhere and never asking for permission is the possibility of confrontation.
    And if there is too much confrontation, the owner of an establishment may very well decide to not allow vaping in order to avoid hassles.

    However, I am 100% in favor of teaching the public about vaping, and understand you have to be vaping in order to do that.

    If someone starts vaping without asking permission, and is told to stop, their arguments may fall on deaf ears.
    At that point it may be too late to educate, as the decision has been made and people tend to want to defend their decisions.

    If we take it to the point where the public looks at us as a bunch of jerks, then we will really have a problem.

    On the other hand, if permission is asked for, then education can usually take place.
    So I judge every situation by how I think it is likely to play out, with these considerations in mind.

    As I said, sometimes I ask, sometimes I don't.
    But usually, I ask.

    And no matter what you do, or how you handle it, I hope you're never a jerk about it.

    That last comment was NOT directed at anyone in particular.
    :)
     
  18. sailorman

    sailorman Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Jun 5, 2010
    The Florida Oil Coast
    The problem I see with that is we are not operating in a neutral environment. Pubic opinion is crucial to our survival and the soap box is firmly in control of the anti-vaping special interests and zealots. The public is largely an empty vessel and their heads will be filled with whatever information or disinformation they hear first. If we stand around and allow the only information they get to come from the flat screen, we have already lost their support.

    The FDA, BP, Heart Association, BT, Cancer Society, Smoke-free-Kids, and the entire universe of alphabet-soup "health advocacy organizations" have the soap box firmly in their control. They have the multi-million dollar PR budgets. They have almost total control of the media. They have vast communication infrastructures. They have the name recognition, credibility and megaphones to sway public opinion their way. All we have is us. Just us, one at a time. We are outgunned and out financed and, if we continue to be reticent and fearful of offending, we'll be outnumbered as well.

    You may not see it. Many of us live in our own information bubbles an can't understand how anyone could think that vaping is dangerous or offensive. Outside of our bubble, the public at large is being propagandized day in and day out to associate e-cigs with cigarettes. They are being fed daily disinformation. In the absence of first hand experience and information to the contrary, they will believe what the flat screen tells them. For the most part, they won't go out of their way to seek unbiased and credible information. Most of them don't have enough interest for that. They will believe either their eyes, or the first credible sounding government agency, or health advocacy organization they hear. Once they form an opinion, it will be nearly impossible to convince them otherwise.

    You may not think it's productive to "preach". But we are in a battle to win the public whether you wish to participate or not. We can win by educating the public the only way we can, in person, on the ground, one-on-one. Or we will lose by default against the well orchestrated and lavishly funded propaganda campaign of our opponents. This is as clear-cut a case of "you're either with us or agin' us" as there could possibly be.
     
  19. TexasPride

    TexasPride Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 9, 2012
    Texas
    Here in this part of Texas it seems everyone is pretty cool with vaping.. We asked, they say yes & it usually turns into us showing several folks the in's & outs of our PV's, and giving them websites to go learn more..
     
  20. kingcobra

    kingcobra Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 17, 2011
    Canada
    That's at the heart of the disagreement. If we vape and someone voices their objection, and we cannot convince them of their error, then we certainly aren't going to persuade these fools by asking permission. On the contrary, our feeling that this may be an issue will only add credibility to their beliefs. I don't know what sort of confrontations people are having here but we obviously want to avoid those. However, if our attempts to educate fail, we have the option of backing down and giving in if we wish, with no harm done.
     
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