It could be a good idea to do some actual “short circuit” testing in at least a good handful of cells from diverse OEMs and cell construction technology. When HKJ reviewed the
Shockli notIMR26650 5500mAh he reported the following mishap, located between the capacity and 15A discharge temperature graphics in his review:
The two cells are very well matched and as usual I test them a bit above specifications. They handled 20A fine, but did not like 30A continuous, it blew a fuse inside both cells, preventing me from doing the rest of the tests
I do recall having read in some
thread at BLF this safety “feature” is not permanent, it resets itself after some time.
As I say above maybe Mooch would be willing to design some short of “short circuit testing procedure” and perform it in some OEM cells. Like spot welding a nickel tab between cathode and anode or soldering a nice wire between the two points. Oh
well, maybe we can come up with something better. In the meantime grab some lidded steel buckets or a small strongbox LoL.
Take care.
Cheers
There are two types of internal protection types for cells (if installed). Not all cells have both and some cells might have neither.
One is a “PTC” (positive temperature coefficient)
device that increases its resistance when the temperature rises too much, reducing the current flow from the cell. This devices only partially resets when the cell cools, resulting in a poorer performing cell from then on.
The other protection device is a “CID” (current interruption device) that is essentially a one time circuit breaker. It physically breaks the connection inside the cell at a certain temperature and pressure level and completely disables the cell. It does not reset. You can often hear the “click” when it trips.
Short circuit testing is messy and dangerous. The smoke and soot is toxic and contains a carcinogen (cobalt). Not great for a Manhattan apartment. Testing outdoors is not an option in Manhattan either as it would result in the police being immediately called, even before anything vented or went into runaway, since it would all look like a bomb to many people.
Trying to contain all the smoke is problematic at best and just results in a bad smelling, toxin coated test box that I would have to hide outdoors somewhere.
I don’t think the testing would be of much use though and could even be a real problem. Even if I tested several of each cell there’s no guarantee that every single one of that cell type would respond the same way. Not going into thermal runaway in my testing couldn’t guarantee that every cell would also not go into runaway.
In my opinion, it’s much better to work at preventing short circuits in the first place. Certainly not 100% successful, and never will be, but I think it’s the right way to approach our community's problem.
I also think that if any cell was short-circuit tested, and it didn’t go into thermal runaway, then vapers would feel they didn’t need to worry about the condition of their battery wraps or they would finally try that 0.03 ohm build they’ve always wanted to do. Others would see this and try the same thing with their cells, possibly leading to disaster. Anything posted publicly about this “short circuit proof” battery would just help to undo all the safety education we would still need for all the other cells out there....even if we could prove a cell was actually “short-circuit proof”.
Just some thoughts...