#500 SS Mesh

[Semi Reduction]

Ah I see.. no conductivity. Well that's a legitimate reason to use it as a coil and after having a proper read of the ebay listing I noticed that it's supposedly a high temp enamel. If it works it would no doubt make things easier..... but where's the fun in that

 

[Scubabatdan]

Dan, is that 28 ga wire? 6/7 wrap?

Actually that is 32ga at @ 7 wraps, 2.5 ohms. Was a 40mm x 30mm piece wrapped longways, no hole (no soda straw), was a solid wick.
Dan

 

[Scubabatdan]

Ah I see.. no conductivity. Well that's a legitimate reason to use it as a coil and after having a proper read of the ebay listing I noticed that it's supposedly a high temp enamel. If it works it would no doubt make things easier..... but where's the fun in that

The problem would be when making the coil and the enamel cracking using a tight turning radius. Not sure I would want to inhale flecks of enamel that flake off, just MHO.
Dan

 

[studiovap]

Actually that is 32ga at @ 7 wraps, 2.5 ohms. Was a 40mm x 30mm piece wrapped longways, no hole (no soda straw), was a solid wick.
Dan

Ok I am finally convinced that more mesh is only better to a point. having been running 180-170mmx37.5mm wick in my DID std wickhole (3.5mm) with a 7wrap 0.9 Ohm nichrome coil for a few days on my Paps I was feeling pretty stoked, but to be totally honest on a fresh battery it was a little on the burnt side and even around 3.80v I had to be careful to rest a moment between long double draws. So I had a sudden realization, and that was that if I had rolled my #500 mesh super tight, which I had, then how much juice could it really hold up top under the coil. sure it wicks fast, but It has no real reservoir of juice to supply to the coil. At least that was my thinking. so I pulled my 180mm wick out of the coil, dry burned the coil and took the scissors to my beautiful 180mm wick, I trimmed off around 50-60mm (leaving around 115mm) unwrapped, it and rerolled it a little less tightly to fit the 3.4mm coil size.
After dry burning and adjusting the coils WOW! what a difference, It wicks like crazy, seriously crazy. I've been running my 180mm fat wick in the DId with my adjustable tank breather screw about 3/4 the way out, and with this new looser rolled wick I have it almost all the way in otherwise it wicks too well, I have NO LEAKS AT ALL EVER, and I can take quadruple toke chain vapes without ANY dry or burnt tasting hits.
Now I know BJ is going to tell me again that only superman could roll wick too tight to be efficient, and as far as capillary action is concerned that is probably true, but I have tried vaping my DID at 6"o'clock position, and it just doesn't feel natural, but it does still give flawless performance, so I imagine we are seeing a happy balance of capillary & volcanic rise action here, and not gravitation flow, either way I am super happy with this new "semi solid" "semi tight rolled" super wick. Until I make the next personal breakthrough in my coil/mesh wick set up LOL

 

[overall]

That was my finding also. I am using 110mm for the standard DID.

Ok I am finally convinced that more mesh is only better to a point. having been running 180-170mmx37.5mm wick in my DID std wickhole (3.5mm) with a 7wrap 0.9 Ohm nichrome coil for a few days on my Paps I was feeling pretty stoked, but to be totally honest on a fresh battery it was a little on the burnt side and even around 3.80v I had to be careful to rest a moment between long double draws. So I had a sudden realization, and that was that if I had rolled my #500 mesh super tight, which I had, then how much juice could it really hold up top under the coil. sure it wicks fast, but It has no real reservoir of juice to supply to the coil. At least that was my thinking. so I pulled my 180mm wick out of the coil, dry burned the coil and took the scissors to my beautiful 180mm wick, I trimmed off around 50-60mm (leaving around 115mm) unwrapped, it and rerolled it a little less tightly to fit the 3.4mm coil size.
After dry burning and adjusting the coils WOW! what a difference, It wicks like crazy, seriously crazy. I've been running my 180mm fat wick in the DId with my adjustable tank breather screw about 3/4 the way out, and with this new looser rolled wick I have it almost all the way in otherwise it wicks too well, I have NO LEAKS AT ALL EVER, and I can take quadruple toke chain vapes without ANY dry or burnt tasting hits.
Now I know BJ is going to tell me again that only superman could roll wick too tight to be efficient, and as far as capillary action is concerned that is probably true, but I have tried vaping my DID at 6"o'clock position, and it just doesn't feel natural, but it does still give flawless performance, so I imagine we are seeing a happy balance of capillary & volcanic rise action here, and not gravitation flow, either way I am super happy with this new "semi solid" "semi tight rolled" super wick. Until I make the next personal breakthrough in my coil/mesh wick set up LOL

 

[BJ43]

Ok I am finally convinced that more mesh is only better to a point. having been running 180-170mmx37.5mm wick in my DID std wickhole (3.5mm) with a 7wrap 0.9 Ohm nichrome coil for a few days on my Paps I was feeling pretty stoked, but to be totally honest on a fresh battery it was a little on the burnt side and even around 3.80v I had to be careful to rest a moment between long double draws. So I had a sudden realization, and that was that if I had rolled my #500 mesh super tight, which I had, then how much juice could it really hold up top under the coil. sure it wicks fast, but It has no real reservoir of juice to supply to the coil. At least that was my thinking. so I pulled my 180mm wick out of the coil, dry burned the coil and took the scissors to my beautiful 180mm wick, I trimmed off around 50-60mm (leaving around 115mm) unwrapped, it and rerolled it a little less tightly to fit the 3.4mm coil size.
After dry burning and adjusting the coils WOW! what a difference, It wicks like crazy, seriously crazy. I've been running my 180mm fat wick in the DId with my adjustable tank breather screw about 3/4 the way out, and with this new looser rolled wick I have it almost all the way in otherwise it wicks too well, I have NO LEAKS AT ALL EVER, and I can take quadruple toke chain vapes without ANY dry or burnt tasting hits.
Now I know BJ is going to tell me again that only superman could roll wick too tight to be efficient, and as far as capillary action is concerned that is probably true, but I have tried vaping my DID at 6"o'clock position, and it just doesn't feel natural, but it does still give flawless performance, so I imagine we are seeing a happy balance of capillary & volcanic rise action here, and not gravitation flow, either way I am super happy with this new "semi solid" "semi tight rolled" super wick. Until I make the next personal breakthrough in my coil/mesh wick set up LOL

I agree 100%. there are other forces involved and a happy balance is what works for each. Since the coil is only on the outer layer of the wick it can only receive the juice that gets there. Personally I have not found any wick over 100mm to improve vaping. I have been leaving a little more wick above the coil, this works as a mini tank and when you are between draws the juice comes back down and out.

 

[Crack3dOne]

I have also come to the same conclusion above. Last night infact. I rolled a 70mm for my orion and, as far as being able to just vape and vape and vape without a dry burn, my 50mm wick just out performs, period. There is such a thing as too much wick, IMHO. I also leave about 4mm above my top coil for reserve as well.

 

[the ob]

I still think it would be great if we had a thread that listed the optimal mesh dimensions for all the various devices.

I guess Ill start it.

 

[the ob]

would love it if the experts would chime in

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ensions-wire-size-wraps-specific-devices.html

 

[Roobs]

That would be very helpful Thanks Ob

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I've come to the same conclusion my friends, too much is not a good thing

But it irks me that I can't really explain it, such are the agonies of being a neurotic neo-neoplatonic rationalist

I agree 100%. there are other forces involved and a happy balance is what works for each. Since the coil is only on the outer layer of the wick it can only receive the juice that gets there. Personally I have not found any wick over 100mm to improve vaping. I have been leaving a little more wick above the coil, this works as a mini tank and when you are between draws the juice comes back down and out.

actually I think that works for me. metaphysical anxiety held at bay. thanks BJ

 

[Currynoah]

I have also come to the same conclusion above. Last night infact. I rolled a 70mm for my orion and, as far as being able to just vape and vape and vape without a dry burn, my 50mm wick just out performs, period. There is such a thing as too much wick, IMHO. I also leave about 4mm above my top coil for reserve as well.

Yups. 50mm for the Orion for me too. Any thicker just doesn't cut the mustard (No pun intended.)

 

[BJ43]

I've come to the same conclusion my friends, too much is not a good thing

But it irks me that I can't really explain it, such are the agonies of being a neurotic neo-neoplatonic rationalist



actually I think that works for me. metaphysical anxiety held at bay. thanks BJ

One thing is rising liquid (capillary action) and another is the horizontal movement of the liquid to get from the inside of the wick to the coil wraps. Larger does not improve this. As long as the wick is saturated the amount that the coil can use, and horizontal movement can transfer it to the coils, any additional size is useless.

 

[BJ43]

would love it if the experts would chime in

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ensions-wire-size-wraps-specific-devices.html

To me that is like what the optimal steak is for each. Would never expect what is optimal for me would be for others. My optimal changes many times during the day. What tasted great in the morning sucks in the evening.

 

[studiovap]

To me that is like what the optimal steak is for each. Would never expect what is optimal for me would be for others. My optimal changes many times during the day. What tasted great in the morning sucks in the evening.

You are right BJ maybe a better name for the thread should be "known & proven starting point mesh dimensions and coil configurations for specific devices" I've been experimenting for ages to get a good starting point LOL

 

[MikeE3]

To me that is like what the optimal steak is for each. Would never expect what is optimal for me would be for others. My optimal changes many times during the day. What tasted great in the morning sucks in the evening.

Regardless of the thread title - I think it's a worthwhile thread / attempt to document the various setups folks are using. If enough info gets collected, it'll be a nice repository of setups for folks to review when putting together their own wicks/coils. Might help to eliminate some false starts / experimentation for folks.

 

[BJ43]

Regardless of the thread title - I think it's a worthwhile thread / attempt to document the various setups folks are using. If enough info gets collected, it'll be a nice repository of setups for folks to review when putting together their own wicks/coils. Might help to eliminate some false starts / experimentation for folks.

I agree it is a great thread. It will have thousands of OPTIMAL setups. Optimal has so many variables. I have no optimal setup on any of my rba. I have come to a scientific conclusion that 500 mesh is best (waiting for 635), 2.5 dia to a max of 3mm dia is best, any larger starts to depreciate, have gone to 28g and 30g kanthal to get more heating area. 85mm of 500 mesh in a 2.5 mm hole with 9/10 wraps 28g seems to be my norm, but I still enjoy a Vivi Nova as it comes just adding a small cotton overwick.

 

[the ob]

I agree it is a great thread. It will have thousands of OPTIMAL setups. Optimal has so many variables. I have no optimal setup on any of my rba. I have come to a scientific conclusion that 500 mesh is best (waiting for 635), 2.5 dia to a max of 3mm dia is best, any larger starts to depreciate, have gone to 28g and 30g kanthal to get more heating area. 85mm of 500 mesh in a 2.5 mm hole with 9/10 wraps 28g seems to be my norm, but I still enjoy a Vivi Nova as it comes just adding a small cotton overwick.

The point is to give people a place to start. I've had tons of people's mention that they wished that this thread existed, so I figured I'd start it.

It's just a starting point bj

 

[the ob]

Regardless of the thread title - I think it's a worthwhile thread / attempt to document the various setups folks are using. If enough info gets collected, it'll be a nice repository of setups for folks to review when putting together their own wicks/coils. Might help to eliminate some false starts / experimentation for folks.

This was said much better than the way I said it

 

[perlionsmitnick]

My 635 wick... 2.5ohms on my SGMv3

Dan

Is that silicon grease I detect on the bk o-ring?