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It is true if you use kerosene, but with much more viscous liquids like PG or VG this law depends on viscosity. Also, independent of liquid nature, if the mesh has the same wires, but they are closer to each other, less liquid under spiral. You get more metal (more heatsink) and less liquid. I already wrote about viscosity, no need to repeat :)
I have done the lamp burn test using 100% pure vg as the fuel to prove my point. Using a tight 500 80mm 2.5mm dia tight wick and a 500 60mm loose 2.5mm. The tight had a larger flame and burned off the 3ml of 100%vg faster. I am no longer using kerosine, vg as the fuel is a better test for our use. Viscosity reduces capillary action because cohesion gets stronger than adhesion. Capillary action is a molecular action and to reduce it in any viscosity you have to approach the molecular size of that liquid, that would be a very tight roll, until you get to that point smaller wire and hole tightly rolled is better for capillary action and the lamp tests prove it no matter what fuel or viscosity. True as you say less liquid under the spiral but that liquid still has to move in the wick out to the spiral coil and be replaced and faster is better. I won't get into heat sink effect as I really don't see it in my higher voltage preference. This is not argumentative, it is just a simple scientific test and there are many other factors in our vaping. My only purpose in these tests was to show the true effects of capillary action and prove some myths wrong. A looser wick may be better for some as more thermal rising would be present or more gravitational flow thru tipping. I was looking for a true vertical wick that could keep up with my vaping and thankfully I have found it.
 
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It is true if you use kerosene, but with much more viscous liquids like PG or VG this law depends on viscosity. Also, independent of liquid nature, if the mesh has the same wires, but they are closer to each other, less liquid under spiral. You get more metal (more heatsink) and less liquid. I already wrote about viscosity, no need to repeat :)

From the spec page on the co-op that was run for the 635 mesh, the wire is thinner (.018mm vs .025mm), has a smaller aperture (.0008 vs .0010mm), has greater open area (55% vs 50.7%) and is 30% lighter in weight.

Sounds like if this is the version of 635 being used, you would have more liquid/less metal in the same wick space.

Also, I think most of the wicking rise and wicking velocity flow rate formulas I have seen do not change with viscosity. Yes, on a relative basis high viscosity fluids will move slower, but the formula it self does not change.

I am looking forward to see the results of BJ's VG based wicking tests. :pop:
 

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From the spec page on the co-op that was run for the 635 mesh, the wire is thinner (.018mm vs .025mm), has a smaller aperture (.0008 vs .0010mm), has greater open area (55% vs 50.7%) and is 30% lighter in weight.

Sounds like if this is the version of 635 being used, you would have more liquid/less metal in the same wick space.

Also, I think most of the wicking rise and wicking velocity flow rate formulas I have seen do not change with viscosity. Yes, on a relative basis high viscosity fluids will move slower, but the formula it self does not change.

I am looking forward to see the results of BJ's VG based wicking tests. :pop:

I will do a burn test using vg as the fuel comparing the 500 to the 635 this weekend.
 

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I already asked, but nobody put a real specifications of the 650mesh here. So our discussions are just a talk. Mesh500 from Mesh Company is clear for me - this is the same mesh as the 400, but tighter wires of the same size. More precision mesh for filters, but for wicks.... No joy for me personally. But what about this mesh650? Still no info. Bought from China, no real information, no specifications. Someone knows about them? If not, what are we talking about? Spec from coop - where they got this spec?
 

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10 wraps 28g on 100mm 635 in a Dud.
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Vaping heaven.
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I already asked, but nobody put a real specifications of the 650mesh here. So our discussions are just a talk. Mesh500 from Mesh Company is clear for me - this is the same mesh as the 400, but tighter wires of the same size. More precision mesh for filters, but for wicks.... No joy for me personally. But what about this mesh650? Still no info. Bought from China, no real information, no specifications. Someone knows about them? If not, what are we talking about? Spec from coop - where they got this spec?

Link from first post in co-op.

316 Marine Grade Stainless Steel Mesh - Buy 316 Marine Grade Stainless Steel Mesh,304 Marine Grade Stainless Steel Mesh,Marine Stainless Mesh Product on Alibaba.com

In the link, the only 635 spec is for mesh twill:

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Slimest, you are right this is all just talk. I do not have any of this material, so I am just speaking in theory and what is based upon the Alibaba posting.

We will need to wait for someone to post a picture comparing the two or perhaps someone can do a wire thread count on the mesh...:)

Would be interesting to know if this mesh is twill as well.
 

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what do you mean there Dan? Isn't a denser wrap better (provided you don't end up jamming and cramming through the wick hole)?

IMHO I find that a "spongy" wick works better, meaning one that is tighly wrapped but still has a bit of give to it when squeezed. The ones I have overly tightened to nail consistancy seem to get dry hits.
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So I started to setup my mini lab to do the lamp burn and could not find my little jam bottles I use as lamps. It seems the maid threw them away. Her response to my questioning was they were empty and had holes in the caps so she figured they were no good. So I will have to get some new ones from somewhere. Anyway I have been vaping two mini Duds all weekend. One with an 85mm 500 at 2.5mm dia and the other with a 100mm 635 at 2.5mm dia. Both wicks are coiled with 10 wraps 28g kanthal and after breaking in have settled between 1.9 and 2 ohms. Same VG juice in both. My conclusion is they both can wick and keep up to my double draw chain vaping. It is like having a 300 hp or a 280hp engine to drive at 60mph, both can do it with no problem. Both these wicks tested can raise juice over three inches above the liquid surface and on these Duds even empty the juice only has to rise about an inch. On larger RBAs where the wick has to be longer the 635 should have an advantage when the juice is more than two inches below the coil area. The 500 I am vaping at 4.2v 8.9 watts and the 635 I don't know but the DNA is set a little past half way up so it should be about the same and 8 to 9 watts. Conclusion, I am not going to throw away the six sheets of 500 I have somehow accumulated but I did order a second sheet of 635. Just happy with results of both and great vaping. Having said all this, as an old pilot I always need redundancy and when I go fishing all day, I always take a Vivi Nova with Aunt Lydias as a backup. These SS genesis can get finicky at the most inopportune moments.
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great work BJ, thank you

+1 on the Gennys. I'm on the road now interviewing, currently in Ohio, no way in hell was bringing a genesis. I have my Reo, Bamboo ERA and A7, and some sticks and CE2s.

The extra bamboo I brought maybe useless, as I just found a beautiful Q tip and cotton ball collection in my hotel room for the night lol
 

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great work BJ, thank you

+1 on the Gennys. I'm on the road now interviewing, currently in Ohio, no way in hell was bringing a genesis. I have my Reo, Bamboo ERA and A7, and some sticks and CE2s.

The extra bamboo I brought maybe useless, as I just found a beautiful Q tip and cotton ball collection in my hotel room for the night lol

Ohio was home for HS and college OSU. Have a niece Dr. at Cleveland Clinic. Enjoy the buckeye state.:toast:
 
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