75W Vaporesso TARGET 2 VTC Kit with Ceramic cCELL Coil

[Kprthevapr]

I agree. I suspect that the ceramic will diffuse the direct heat from the wire. But it will still clog...

Nope--no shipping notification yet.

None for me either.
Ceramic and fritted glass have used for vaping in other communities for years and yes they clog. Some faster than others. My thing is, how many times can this thing self clean before it's useless?
I guess I'm spoiled by my rda's lol. But I'll give this tank a go and give em a nice honest review in the end.

 

[Croak]

I do... and it didn't take any "force" to make them crumble. All you needed to do was to rub the material gently between your fingers to make it crumble and leave a layer of dust on your skin.

And how do we know that they didn't crumble under normal use? I've seen several pictures of completely clogged up "mesh" filters from Aspire coils.

Rubbing is, um, well, force. You're applying friction, friction that does NOT occur inside the coil head when used as intended. It's like taking a bite out of a drinking glass, then freaking out because you just ingested silica.

As for clogged screens, look at the crap people put in their tanks...NETs, sucralose, ethyl maltol, just about any custard, cream, baked or sweet flavor, all clogging/gunking agents.

If you don't want to use ceramic wicking, then don't. That's your call. Me, I'd be more worried about lead in my atomizer material or coil head casings, pesticides in my cotton, toxic extrusion lubricants on my wire, etc. There's always something to Chicken Little about.

 

[cooladdict]

A very good review. :

Nice!! I really enjoyed this one. That stainless and black model is HOT!!

 

[Roadtrip635]

I'm wondering if the first units that shipped for reviews and such were just Beta models. It appears that they have been making changes along the way, which could be why we haven't seen them released yet. I agree with Turtle about the term "cotton", it could mean some type of cotton-poly blend, textile or fabric. I can see why it would be used, it would help evenly disperse the liquid along the entire coil. It wouldn't be an issue on the first fire when the entire coil is saturated , but chain vaping etc, the porosity of the ceramic may cause it to concentrate too much along the wicking holes.

Something I found interesting in that last review, he said he was told by Vaporesso that the mod will be able to receive updates. If so, that makes the mod even more attractive. That SS/black is awful purdy.

@100%VG have you heard of confirmation about, updates for the mod?
So far, the video reviews have been raving about the flavor. I just hope they keep working on perfecting the technology for these coils, they do show some promise.

 

[cooladdict]

Thanks, VG, for taking that coil apart for us! I am looking forward to the video. I am wondering if that area you said looks like it crumbled could be a defect from how it was manufactured (aka the sintering process)? I assume they build the ceramic around the coil and then bake it, and the video Vaporesso put out makes it look like they pour the ceramic over the coil somehow. Could it just be that that coil was not poured correctly and that's why you had problems with it?

 

[tiburonfirst]

hg is now listing the 5-pack of coils for about 20 bucks - complete kit, i believe, at $79 but black and white only

 

[100%VG]

Something I found interesting in that last review, he said he was told by Vaporesso that the mod will be able to receive updates. If so, that makes the mod even more attractive. That SS/black is awful purdy.

@100%VG have you heard of confirmation about, updates for the mod?
So far, the video reviews have been raving about the flavor. I just hope they keep working on perfecting the technology for these coils, they do show some promise.

I have not been in contact with Vaporesso directly. All of my info has come from the Manual, Heaven Gifts, the Internet, or my own use.

Thanks, VG, for taking that coil apart for us! I am looking forward to the video. I am wondering if that area you said looks like it crumbled could be a defect from how it was manufactured (aka the sintering process)? I assume they build the ceramic around the coil and then bake it, and the video Vaporesso put out makes it look like they pour the ceramic over the coil somehow. Could it just be that that coil was not poured correctly and that's why you had problems with it?

You make an excellent point. Except for the blackness from where the "cotton" was burned when I Dry Burned it to Clean it, I found no dust, grit, or particles. I pulled the "cotton" between my thumb and index finger and nothing came off. So I think you are probably right. The "splintering" look of the Ceramic cylinder on that one side was probably a manufacturing defect in the Sintering process.

The coil is pre-wrapped and held in place somehow. It is centered in a Sintering Mold and the Ceramic Powder is poured in. Then the Sintering is done to turn the Power into the solid Ceramic cylinder. The coil had been partially exposed, but that could have been changed by now to keep the entire coil inside the Ceramic cylinder.

Sinter:
Cause (ores or powdery metals) to become a coherent mass by heating without melting.

Sintering:
A high temperature process for fusing powder together.

Sintering is the process of compacting and forming a solid mass of material by heat[1] and/or pressure[2] without melting it to the point of liquefaction.

Sintering happens naturally in mineral deposits or as a manufacturing process used with metals, ceramics, plastics, and other materials. The atoms in the materials diffuse across the boundaries of the particles, fusing the particles together and creating one solid piece. Because the sintering temperature does not have to reach the melting point of the material, sintering is often chosen as the shaping process for materials with extremely high melting points such as tungsten and molybdenum. The study of sintering in metallurgy powder-related processes is known as powder metallurgy. An example of sintering can be observed when ice cubes in a glass of water adhere to each other, which is driven by the temperature difference between the water and the ice.[citation needed] Examples of pressure-driven sintering are the compacting of snowfall to a glacier, or the forming of a hard snowball by pressing loose snow together.

 

[Kprthevapr]

hg is now listing the 5-pack of coils for about 20 bucks - complete kit, i believe, at $79 but black and white only

I can't justify paying $20/5 coils either. I really like the rebuildable aspect of tanks/drippers. Buying coils kinda defeats the purpose to me.

 

[VapingTurtle]

I can't justify paying $20/5 coils either. I really like the rebuildable aspect of tanks/drippers. Buying coils kinda defeats the purpose to me.

Sinter your own. Got a kiln?


Yes, a sintering kiln.
I think they use those in Scottish Highlands Games, don't they?

 

[100%VG]

I can't justify paying $20/5 coils either. I really like the rebuildable aspect of tanks/drippers. Buying coils kinda defeats the purpose to me.

I generally don't use manufactured Heads of any kind. I much prefer an RTA, RBA, RDA, and Tanks with an RBA Section.

But this is a hobby kind of thing as well. There are many who can't or won't rebuild for various reasons, so manufactured Heads definitely have a very large market. And for anyone who wants to use Ceramics, manufactured items are about the only way. I think Vaporesso is doing well in their efforts and is on the right track. They just need to perfect it.

Heaven Gifts has stated that the 5-Packs of cCells will be comparably priced with Aspire Atlantis Heads, so they will be readily accepted at that price... once they work as advertised. And they might work as advertised already. I hope so and I'm looking forward to getting some new Heads.

Added note:
I could use my 1/8" AO Ceramic sticks for weeks, and I think it was months. But I could Dry Burn them to clean them and tighten the Ribbon Kanthal around them when needed.

 

[cooladdict]

I have not been in contact with Vaporesso directly. All of my info has come from the Manual, Heaven Gifts, the Internet, or my own use.

You make an excellent point. Except for the blackness from where the "cotton" was burned when I Dry Burned it to Clean it, I found no dust, grit, or particles. I pulled the "cotton" between my thumb and index finger and nothing came off. So I think you are probably right. The "splintering" look of the Ceramic cylinder on that one side was probably a manufacturing defect in the Sintering process.

The coil is pre-wrapped and held in place somehow. It is centered in a Sintering Mold and the Ceramic Powder is poured in. Then the Sintering is done to turn the Power into the solid Ceramic cylinder. The coil had been partially exposed, but that could have been changed by now to keep the entire coil inside the Ceramic cylinder.

Sinter:
Cause (ores or powdery metals) to become a coherent mass by heating without melting.

Sintering:
A high temperature process for fusing powder together.

Sintering is the process of compacting and forming a solid mass of material by heat[1] and/or pressure[2] without melting it to the point of liquefaction.

Sintering happens naturally in mineral deposits or as a manufacturing process used with metals, ceramics, plastics, and other materials. The atoms in the materials diffuse across the boundaries of the particles, fusing the particles together and creating one solid piece. Because the sintering temperature does not have to reach the melting point of the material, sintering is often chosen as the shaping process for materials with extremely high melting points such as tungsten and molybdenum. The study of sintering in metallurgy powder-related processes is known as powder metallurgy. An example of sintering can be observed when ice cubes in a glass of water adhere to each other, which is driven by the temperature difference between the water and the ice.[citation needed] Examples of pressure-driven sintering are the compacting of snowfall to a glacier, or the forming of a hard snowball by pressing loose snow together.

That's exactly what I was picturing; the coil, a mold, and the ceramic powder. It would make sense (though still not good!) that an air pocket or something formed in that one spot, which would also explain why the material burnt. It came into contact with the bare coil! I have a coil with what might be that same kind of material around it. It doesn't feel like cotton and it seems to be more fabric-y. It doesn't tear easily. It is between the air flow ring and the metal that houses the cotton coil. It looks like this:

 

[cooladdict]

Sinter your own. Got a kiln?


Yes, a sintering kiln.
I think they use those in Scottish Highlands Games, don't they?

Send 'em to Roadtrip! He LOVES sintering!

 

[100%VG]

That's exactly what I was picturing; the coil, a mold, and the ceramic powder. It would make sense (though still not good!) that an air pocket or something formed in that one spot, which would also explain why the material burnt. It came into contact with the bare coil!
I have a coil with what might be that same kind of material around it. It doesn't feel like cotton and it seems to be more fabric-y. It doesn't tear easily. It is between the air flow ring and the metal that houses the cotton coil.

Not in this case. The only part of the coil that is exposed is in the center air hole. The coil leads appear to be non-resistance wire that is wire-welded on with a NR-R-NR wire welder, so they will not glow red. I Glow Burned this Kanthal Head a lot, figuring the Kanthal wire could take it. This was before I knew there was "cotton" inside. The Ceramic apparently got hot enough to burn the "cotton" in some places.

 

[sultanofswag]

√ 5pcs Vaporesso Ceramic cCELL Replacement Coil for target tank
$15 as pre-order and your choice is either 0.8 ohm kanthal or 0.2ohm Ni200.

 

[tiburonfirst]

apparently 3avape.com is not an approved vendor - the url has been removed

 

[Katya]

Rubbing is, um, well, force. You're applying friction, friction that does NOT occur inside the coil head when used as intended. It's like taking a bite out of a drinking glass, then freaking out because you just ingested silica.

Drinking glass? No "force" had been applied to that "ceramic" that Aspire used in their coils other than the force of the eliquid travelling through the ceramic wick.

If you don't want to use ceramic wicking, then don't.

There are different kinds of silica; one kind is OK for vaping--and it's been discussed on this forum for quite some time, long before Aspire introduced their fiberglass/ceramic wicking material. Amorphous silica, commonly used in wicks by all (or most) e-cig manufacturers, has been deemed safe by our resident chemists and is even approved by FDA for use in food and medicine.

Please read this post by tenshi, and this one by Boden, and this one by Kurt, our resident chemist and a person I trust completely in all matters related to chemistry.

More on the subject:

http://srs.unm.edu/industrial-hygiene/media/docs/silica.pdf

"Amorphous Silica: Multiple studies have found amorphous silica to be biologically inert when
ingested and inhaled, with the exception of extruded fiberglass and ceramic fibers (which have been
designated as carcinogens by the National Toxicology Program), which are hazardous due to their
very small size and their high length to width aspect ratio. Because of this inertness, the US Food
and Drug Administration permits the use of amorphous silica (not fiberglass or ceramic fibers!) in food
and medicine. "

Warning: My Aspire Atlantis coil just FELL APART while I was vaping, and particles got lodged in my throat.

So yes, I'm trying to avoid "ceramic" anything in my coils, at least until further notice. This one may be different. My mind is open.

 

[100%VG]

√ 5pcs Vaporesso Ceramic cCELL Replacement Coil for target tank
$15 as pre-order and your choice is either 0.8 ohm kanthal or 0.2ohm Ni200.

Those cCells are marked TEST SAMPLE, and everything else on that site looks to be older versions. They do show the Stainless and Black version is available, but all of the pictures are of older versions.

But $15.ºº for five is a pretty good price.

 

[100%VG]

apparently 3avape.com is not an approved vendor - the url has been removed

I used Reply to see it. You can see it if you leave the Rich Text Editor and use the BB Code Editor. You can do that with the wrench icon in the far upper right in a Reply or Post.

 

[tiburonfirst]

well ................. i thought for sure my spelling out the name of website would save anybody having to go through that trouble

 

[100%VG]

Here's my Vaporesso cCell Head Dissection video.