901 Atomizers - New vs Old Design

[Bellasin]

Another big issue I have with the "new" 901 attys is that they cannot be cleaned out anywhere near as well as the old ones. I can keep attys going so long that I simply buy new ones because I like the massive vapor you get at first. My old broken in cleaned out attys are sufficient indefinitely. If one is DOA or dies right away, it is a faulty atty. I really have experienced definite life-span differences between the 2 styles.

The most effective advice I ever got from this forum in regards to cleaning/reviving attys was the post about taking a needle or paper clip and poking it in at an angle thru the connecting hole to realign the inner discs. It was like a miracle. However, if I try this method on the new attys, nothing happens, its like there ARE no holes to realign. It pushes the entire wick/metal piece all the way out, with minimal pressure. Liquid collects beneath the metal and cannot be blown out. And too, trying to rinse these with water is silly since water gets trapped under there.

When I first started vaping I blew attys constantly until I learned to keep them juicy. All I do now is blow them out after I use the needle every week or so, and if they taste funny run hot water thru them and let them dry for a day. I have some 5 month old attys that are still fine to use, and I chain vape all day. All are the old style. Every one of the new style attys I got (5) was dead in a months time.

I sure hope someone continues to make the old kind forever. Or figures out how to get the new kind to last longer and stop tasting so rank. Even on my new chuck the new ones taste terrible. Otherwise I use my PT, never the batts that came with the first 901 kit. I did try regular batts with the new attys just to see if it helped the burnt taste, it didnt. Bestecig said if I was using their batts the atty would be fine, but I've been vaping with PTs I bought from them. I sometimes drip, usually just fill the carts, and change carts when I remember to. I'm clueless about these new attys lol.

 

[Princessdee]

That's the thing. I never drip. Carts only. I have no clue why I have the leaking problem I do.
I know to only get the cart really moist, never leave a "pool" on the top, just "very moist" when I put it on and the darn things still leak.
They're

I have just gotten to the point where I set my box mod on a folded paper towel. One in the living room, one back here, and change them in the morning (or more often if needed)

It's a royal pain.

I've traded for some 808 cartos and bought adapters and I wanna see if they leak, too. I will miss the whistle tip, but we'll see.

 

[Wench]

I got 2 more of the new style by accident recently, literally tried them for about half a day each and got so annoyed with them, threw them away.
They are SLB's but the new design is horrid compared to old one. I will not buy anymore, I'll stick with RN4075's if I want to use a 901 or use one of my 401's...
Shame they ruined these..

 

[miss MiA]

That's the thing. I never drip. Carts only. I have no clue why I have the leaking problem I do.
I know to only get the cart really moist, never leave a "pool" on the top, just "very moist" when I put it on and the darn things still leak.
They're

I have just gotten to the point where I set my box mod on a folded paper towel. One in the living room, one back here, and change them in the morning (or more often if needed)

It's a royal pain.

I've traded for some 808 cartos and bought adapters and I wanna see if they leak, too. I will miss the whistle tip, but we'll see.

Oh, re leaking you'll be golden with the cartos (well, technically you can overfill them, but very easy to avoid). And, you will be able to use your whistle tips! You can take off the flat top/mouth piece of the carto and insert that or a drip tip. Most ppl talk about using a 901 whistle tip but I've seen a few say they were able to push a plastic 801 tip over the outsides of the carto (the 901 would go on the inside. Note, with some cartos, if the tip ends up touching the filler, you may want to trim the rim of the tip down a hair).

The top will come off in a different way depending on which 808 cartos you got (there are now different models besides the 'traditional' regular style, e.g. the new higher resistance or lower resistance kinds. FYI I avoid the latter, they run very hot, which leads to various complications). Regulars have a plastic cap & O ring you can pry up with something like the wire leg from a medium-sized binder clip. Some of the newer ones have soft rubber caps you can just pull up with anything like a toothpick or unfolded paper clip (or even your fingernail if there's enough of a rubber 'lip' sticking out to grab). There are still some new ones however where the (plastic) top is glued down, but even if so, it can be loosened by dipping just the very end of the mouthpiece in a little boiled water for about 45 seconds.

I was a carto person from the beginning (still am, most of the time ) and started looking into atties once I found out about the longstanding filler burn issue with cartos. But presence or extent of that seems to vary widely from person to person depending on several usage factors, and cartos of mine that I've dissected haven't looked bad so far, so I'm pretty much just procrastinating about it all now. FYI, the new higher resistance cartos -- e.g. Vapor Nine's 'Turbos' and Nhaler's 'Megas' (not to be confused with their 510 Mega cartos) have considerably less of a burning issue. CigEasy 'Gold Label' too, tho atm they only have the glued-on cap type. (Those are also available in both 808 & 510 cartos. I only mention the 510 versions here to help avoid confusion for anyone who visits those stores, but instead I may have created it lol!)

For the most part I'm pretty sure I'll continue using cartos the majority of the time. Oh but my new atty-based MrPuffer (a.k.a. MP1) juice-fed mod is working out very well on the convenience count too!!! It's currently made with a tiny & delicate plastic box tho, kinda hesitant to put into all-purpose continuous use.

Anyhoo, that's how I ended up here with a stockpile of atties. During a major 'burn' thread that first alerted me to that controversial issue, I didn't know where I'd end up standing on it, but did know that being a big believer in stockpiling, I wanted to keep myself covered, and wasn't sure if the hundreds of 808 cartos I had would continue to be the ticket for me. So, I took about 10 minutes out of my carto usage to decide between 901 and 510 (had a couple of each on hand, first and only as of then), then bought an absolute TON of these 901 atties!! Not only that but get this... I think I may now be finding that actually I like 510 atties better! Please send some good vibes my way that these HC atties will turn out to be ok ones! (When I say a ton, I do mean a ton!)

Alrighty, I think I've proven myself the queen of digression! And just when I swore I was gonna log off for a change and see if a 3D world still exists outside my computer or not!

 

[Princessdee]

And, you will be able to use your whistle tips! You can take off the flat top/mouth piece of the carto and insert that or a drip tip.

Good to know. Thanks. I LOVE my whistle tips.



then bought an absolute TON of these 901 atties!! Not only that but get this... I think I may now be finding that actually I like 510 atties better! Please send some good vibes my way that these HC atties will turn out to be ok ones! (When I say a ton, I do mean a ton!)

Me too. I have over a hundred on hand

Alrighty, I think I've proven myself the queen of digression! And just when I swore I was gonna log off for a change and see if a 3D world still exists outside my computer or not!

Don't bother. It doesn't. Everything you need is right here

 

[miss MiA]

Me too. I have over a hundred on hand

Ditto!!! In my case that was pretty darn impulsive tho for not even being sure yet which atty style I'd like better for the long haul; or if I'd really end up making use of atties instead of the easy breezy cartos I was used to... but I play this game like musical chairs every step of the way, trying to balance whatever I'm hearing about customs 'trends,' legalities, etc., and I wasn't willing to risk not having a chair to sit on if the music stops short-term or long-term! However, considering the other factors I probably shouldn't have hurried to reserve a seat THAT big quite yet!

Don't bother. It doesn't. Everything you need is right here

...ditto on that too hehe, I'm all TOO satisfied being a 2D creature these days! Actually I suspect I might have just given up and gone with that by now, but dang those friends and family, expecting me to still show up and do stuff in the flesh regularly (besides park it in front of a computer screen, that is)!

 

[Kona]

I have been vaping with the 901 for well over a year now, and it has always been my preferred "carry around" vape ( I have a Little Chuck for heavier home use, still using the 901 atty).

Believe me, there is a BIG difference between the old style, referred to as V1, versus the new ones with the washer. The washer atty's DO leak horribly through the vent hole. Messy, crappy, and they don't last either. Granted, this is my opinion, but it certainly is a reality in my experience with both atty's.

Ecigsupply use to carry the V1, and when they sent me the v2 instead, I returned them all and they replaced them with V1. I just contacted them again, and now they have only the V2 with the washer style. CRAP!

I cannot find anyone who carrys the V1 style 901 atty anymore. If anyone knows a supplier who still has the V1 in stock, PLEASE let me know!

Thanks and Aloha,
Kona

 

[leannebug]

I just started using the 901, so I can't compare old to new..

However, I was just over at Good Prophets and they have a 901 atty that lists it as having "NO WASHER". It appears to go under their name, so I don't know the manufacturer. They are out of stock, ATM, but if you are interestesd, you may want to check them out.

HTH!

 

[Princessdee]

Post number 22. The ones I'm having so much trouble with are the ones on the right.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/dse-901-b-mini/65750-901-atomizers-new-vs-old-design.html

I really, really love the ones on the left.

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

It takes my ones like the one on the right in the pics up in the thread about 4-5 days to start leaking (after they're well broken in) but once the leaking starts it doesn't stop.
On the plus side, at 6V, I pop a LOT of attys. (usually after 4 or 5 days. My record is 2 in one day) I just said goodbye to one tonight that was one day short of 3 weeks old and I wasn't particularly careful with it.

YMMV

I just picked up my first 901 atty and sadly it's one of these new styles. I had been vaping it on my 3.7 volt box mod for a couple of days and it worked well enough. Some of my juices tasted much better than on my 510 attys. Sadly I went to try it out on my 5v box mod and popped it almost right away. This is the first atty that I have ever killed.

I would love to get a hold of some old style 901s.

 

[Kona]

I just started using the 901, so I can't compare old to new..

However, I was just over at Good Prophets and they have a 901 atty that lists it as having "NO WASHER". It appears to go under their name, so I don't know the manufacturer. They are out of stock, ATM, but if you are interestesd, you may want to check them out.

HTH!

Thanks for the info, Leannebug... I just checked again and they are still out. I don't like the writing on the atty, but I would gladly try it out, if it is indeed the V1 (old) style.

Has anyone else tried these, or know when they will be in stock? I will give GP a call soon and see if I can get more info.

If anyone has found a supplier of the old style, V1 901 atty's, please post, please, please, please...

Aloha,
Kona

 

[leannebug]

No problem

LMK if they get them in stock, or what you find out. I've killed 3 attys in the past 36 hours. boo

 

[PapaJoe8]

Chad at Ecigsupply says he will be ordering the old style soon. There is a thread I started in their supplier section. I mentioned this thread but couldn't find it for some reason.*&^#@ I just got a black one from them and it IS the old style. A new style silver one came w/ my new ,May 2010 made, dse905.

But, yall have me a bit comfused. Some like the new style better. My old style worked better out of the shoot. Then I tried the Jaaxx needle thing on the silver new style and they both work about the same now. Hmm?
Joe

 

[leannebug]

What is the "Jaaax needle thing"?

 

[PapaJoe8]

Bug, It's Jaaxx. There is a long thread here about it. It is called;

Atomizer Resurrection, pt 1

Pictures of the insides of a 901 atty are on p2.

Be careful not to stick yourself w/ tha needle!

What was that bug juice movie? Oh ;

Beatle Juice :~)))

I loved the music!
Joe

 

[leannebug]

thanks for the info, I'll check it out

I love Beetle Juice!! Classic movie!

 

[PapaJoe8]

Leann, I was kinda scared to poke around w/ the needle but, w/ a gentle nudge when it found the right place, it slipped right in. Then the atty worked way better. I was not sure it would work on the new style 901 atty but it did. Then I poked around on the old style atty and it felt the same.

I would try it on an old one that you don't use the first time. I would hate for you to mess up a workable atty.
Joe

 

[leannebug]

I'll be sure and try it on one out of my ever growing dead pile

I read the whole thread..and it looks like it may be 'safer' to use a paper clip. I may try that first, until I get the hang of it, at least.

Seems to do well on the 801's too.. boy ya learn something new every day here!

 

[PapaJoe8]

Leanne, I read the whole thing also. It's looong. But, lotsa folks said this worked well. Yep, the more you learn... the more you find there is to learn. :~)

I tried a paperclip first but I could feel the hole easier w/ the needle. If you move it gently around you can actually feel the holes. They are just barley off center. Then gently push and it will slide right in. My attys were both new but I couldn't resist trying tha Jaaxx deal. It really did make my silver new style work better. I think that means, since my atty was new, that is was the alignment issue and not old juice, that the needle fixed. Good luck w/ your bad attys! Oh, let us know how it goes.

Now... I wish someone could figure out where to poke 401 attys! I tried but w/ no success. :~(

Kona, I bet if you emailed Chad he would find you some old styles. The black one I just got was for sure old style. Just took a vape, works great! On, maybe take tha needle to your new styles that are not working right.
Joe

 

[bones25]

What is the difference between a 901 and a 902? I want to by some 902 whistle tips to use and I have found some with 902 cartridges. I think I might want to try an atty too. Is there a 902 atty or do you use the 901?

Where can I get a 808 to 902 adapter and do I need one to use a Kr808 bat with a 902 cartridge? Does a 901 atty work with a 902 cartridge?

If they are not the same, where can I get a 808 to 901 adapter and is one necessary (same)? I thought I read somewhere that the air holes are messed up or something and to be careful to get the correct adapter.

Obviously I am confused. Can anyone help?