A bit annoyed: vaping indoors all of a sudden upset ONE coworker

Status
Not open for further replies.

Lova

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Nov 5, 2014
367
245
Finland
That's all I need to know.
Glad to see you found what you were looking for in a small snippet of my comments :)

I still suggest you to read my comments thoroughly and completely through to see my point. Over here if you vape somewhere where smoking isn't allowed, you will get kicked out and possibly be banned for life from wherever you were vaping, which is why I don't understand why people keep on saying it's their priviledge to vape where it doesn't have a sign "No vaping" but does have a "No smoking" sign.

That's why I'm inviting everyone who thinks they are allowed to vape wherever they want to try and do that here in Finland without asking for explicit permission, as you _will_ get kicked out of the establishment you are vaping in, at which point I will be more than glad to laugh at the stupidity of the whole argument: "There's no "No vaping"-sign, but there are only "No smoking"-signs, so I'm allowed to vape here".

Vaping in different places where before there were only "No smoking" signs is why there are loads and loads of "No vaping" signs already posted on different establishments, as some ......... blew huge clouds inside them.

But do whatever you wish, just don't start complaining if you are thrown out of somewhere due to vaping where smoking isn't allowed. :)
 

HotRodCarts

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Nov 22, 2015
135
84
Illinois
www.vaperholics.com
Also, what gives you the permission to vape inside a grocery store for example if smoking inside isn't allowed. All I'm asking is that did common sense get lost somewhere along the road from switching from smoking to vaping?

Some people have no common sense or courtesy for others and never will.
 

CoastalCreature

Full Member
Jan 15, 2016
11
25
41
OMG, I literally cried in laughter when reading the story because I imagined the expression of your colleague while faking choking because of the emissions from the e-cigarette :D
it was pretty comical....
grossed-out-woman.jpg
Walks in like this hahahaa!
 

CoastalCreature

Full Member
Jan 15, 2016
11
25
41
To the OP... Most of the suggestions I ad have already been covered. (Deer urine, fart spray, ect...) But don't forget about stink bait for catfishing. A dab of that stuff under her desk and she will be spraying so much lysol in her own office it will make her look like the bad guy for sure. :thumb: But yeah, you are pretty much boned no matter what. It will be easier for your boss to tell you not to vape indoors to placate her than to tel her to shut up about it. But if you volunteer to stop vaping indoors and she is going through 2 cans of lysol a day trying to mask the smell of this:
Magic Bait Premo Super Sticky Dip Bait | Bass Pro Shops: The Best Hunting, Fishing, Camping & Outdoor Gear
She will be gone soon enough and you can start vaping again.
HAHA! don't worry I live in South Texas and have a full stock of doe urine and make my own catfish stink bait. So IF it gets there, I am readily prepared.
 

skoony

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jul 31, 2013
5,692
9,953
70
saint paul,mn,usa
Some people have no common sense or courtesy for others and never will.
Especially when they can treat a vapor like a smoker. I personally use great discretion
and courtesy in public. I do not do anything that will harm someone and all I ask is to be
left alone. That sounds like a win,win to me.
:2c:
Regards
Mike
 

nyiddle

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Apr 9, 2014
2,826
2,692
USA. State: Inebriated.
..I live in South Texas and have a full stock of doe urine..

Does that come in max VG? I have a PG sensitivity.

In seriousness, I've always had the good fortune of being able to vape in my officeplace. I have my own office with its own ventilation and a ceiling fan and door, so realistically I could box the place out and it wouldn't be much of an issue. However, I've always told my coworkers that if they ever feel uncomfortable (whether it's because the smell or because they have to go outside to have cigarettes while I have the luxury of vaping in my office) they should tell me immediately and I'll gladly sneak out back for my vape breaks. Heck, I still go vape outside when I feel the need to stretch my legs and take a walk. So I've been lucky.

But not a lot of people are in my position, and if my boss or a coworker wanted me to stop vaping inside for whatever reason -- however dramatic or ridiculous they wanted to be about it -- it would only be polite to comply. It's definitely a privilege to be able to vape where you didn't previously smoke, but it's not a right. Just be respectful and decent human beings. Don't make other people uncomfortable, it'll only add to the (very-prevalent) stigma against vaping/vapers.

Also as a side-note, if I know my boss is talking to a client and there's a potential I'm going to need to introduce myself, I'll usually put my vape stuff in a drawer/outta sight and refrain from blowing any monstrous clouds 'till I know it's safe. I don't wanna potentially put off a client because he walks in and sees some vapor lingering.
 

DC2

Tootie Puffer
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jun 21, 2009
24,161
40,974
San Diego
When I read threads like these, my impressions always follow a path much like this...

--I start out assuming almost everyone reading the thread is a considerate vaper
--I assume most people against vaping in public think everyone is inconsiderate
--There are posters in the thread that think a lot of other posters are inconsiderate when they are not
--I know there are VERY inconsiderate people out there, of all shapes and sizes
--There are way too many posters "projecting" their beliefs into their responses on the thread
--If this world would stop spinning for long enough, I'd like to jump off
 

Jman8

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jan 15, 2013
6,419
12,928
Wisconsin
I do not think I am inconsiderate. i am not hurting anyone. If I were to
modify my behavior to account for everything that might (not will) offend
someone's sensibilities I might as well stay home.

I am greatly offended by the idea of you staying at home. Please apologize.
 

Jman8

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jan 15, 2013
6,419
12,928
Wisconsin
Rant:
Well this thread took a turn for the worse. Myself, being vaping for about 4 or so years already, don't want to see anyone vaping in a place where smoking isn't allowed without explicit allowance to do so. It makes you guys, who vape wherever you go look like .......s, which in turn makes everyone who vapes look like an ........ This is just my own opinion though, you have yours, I have mine.

Your opinion doesn't make sense. How some vapers conduct themselves in public doesn't reflect on the majority, while how ANTZ rhetoric is framed in society, clearly does.

We already live in a world where vapers have intentionally blown their exhaled vapor in a visibly obnoxious way toward (presumably) non vapers, and that isn't what I routinely encounter as perceived normal behavior of vapers (from non-vapers I know).

In that same world, we went from being able to do it everywhere, to having less places to do it openly while at same time, ANTZ rhetoric regarding harms has gone up. And while almost all of that rhetoric (like the secondhand smoking data) has been debunked. Thus, it is clearly not the (rare) obnoxious vaper that has turned the tide, but is the ANTZ rhetoric. Fortunately, where I live, it hasn't quite caught on or gotten anywhere near the point of what people still believe about SHS.

I still don't get why people feel the need to vape wherever they want without any regard for other people. Smoking is more harmful than vaping, that's true. But vaping in a place where smoking isn't allowed is harmful to the whole vaping industry. Sure, it might feel like a little thing, but you explicitly make the people seeing you vaping inside a Walmart for example, get the feeling that every vaper is like that.

Unfounded accusation to suggest it would make anyone feel every vaper is 'like that.' And I challenge you to back up assertion (opinion) of explicitly making people feel a particular way.

Would be glad to explain the need/desire to vape everywhere with respect, but even the way you framed it is based on ANTZ rhetoric, i.e. "without any regard for other people."

A small question for all vapers, who think that it's allowed to vape wherever you please and those who vape where smoking is allowed: What do you think is more harmful for vapers all over the world: News articles saying 3 people were blowing clouds inside a store where smoking isn't allowed or a news article saying vapers are good people and vape where smoking is allowed?

News articles / data that is not critically analyzed is easily the more harmful item for vapers all over the world.

If one compares the chemicals in exhaled human breath to exhaled vapor, they'd see similarity and plausibly conclude that exhaled human breath is worse for fellow humans. If an article was ran speaking only about the chemicals released into the air from human breath, without any critical temperament as to notion of "trace amounts," I think there are enough people around currently to take the teeny tiny molehill of an issue and make it seem like we've all been foolish up to this point in history to not be breathing in public without a filter over our mouths.

The idea of not being allowed to vape in public lends strong credence to what I wrote in above paragraph.

Also, what gives you the permission to vape inside a grocery store for example if smoking inside isn't allowed. All I'm asking is that did common sense get lost somewhere along the road from switching from smoking to vaping?

Common sense got lost when ANTZ rhetoric took over circa 1960's.

IMO, it is sensible / common sense to view society through prism of greatly influenced by ANTZ rhetoric. If there is doubt on this at any point with any person, just go up and ask them what they know about SHS and SHV, and listen / observe. Chances are good they'll convey information that is rather easy to counter and/or debunk.

From what I'm reading in your post, you are greatly influenced by ANTZ rhetoric. Much of what you wrote had to be framed in ways that show it impossible for a vaper to vape in public without it being inherently disrespectful. I find that sad, on a vaping forum. But am ALWAYS up for this debate. Knowing you have more posts on this thread allows me to publicly state more on this tangent as I think it is warranted, and who knows who will come across this thread on a search. I'd rather it be on record that some of us had common sense than those of us who fell in line with ANTZ rhetoric without thinking things through.

I really don't get how people who think you should only vape where you are allowed to smoke can also allow themselves to vape in their own homes without that being explicitly understood that it MUST be okay to smoke there. If it is not, it is clearly hypocrisy.
 

Steamix

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Sep 21, 2013
1,586
3,212
Vapistan
Look at it this way...

That secretary now has a 'cause', a 'holy crusade', something to to lend righteous credibility to her life.

Which probably is pretty bland and non descript if she goes all-out on something like you taking a puff every now and then...

You can let her know - she has my sympathies
 

Jman8

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jan 15, 2013
6,419
12,928
Wisconsin
I understand that, but do most of the people seeing you vape understand that? Also, mainstream media has got it's hold on vaping, so more and more people look at vaping being dangerous for them, no matter what you say or show them. Vaping where smoking isn't allowed is just adding fuel to the fire. People are already afraid of what's in the liquids used in vaping and second-hand vapor, even though there is no such thing as second hand vapor.

I would say in most instances where I vape in public, it is unknown that I am vaping there. And I am of position of "vape everywhere with respect." This doesn't mean I vape everywhere I go (though it could mean that). It means everywhere I vape, I do it with respect to others. I've stated on open forum that a hospital is one of the best (indoor) public places to vape, because there are umpteen dozen places on a hospital campus where it would be near impossible to detect a vaper was there, unless a security camera caught the vaper in the act. Even in that instance, it is quite plausible that the vaper did vape in that situation with regards to others.

If people are afraid of what's in eLiquid, then that is simply ignorance. Again, exhaled human breath could (rather easily) be presented as dangerous if article were written in such a way to state chemicals that are released into the air from exhaling.

If people were genuine in their concern and consistent on this issue, they'd be advocating for everyone to wear a filter over their mouth at all times in public. That would put an end to public vaping fairly quickly. Until that day comes about, I maintain my position of vape everywhere with respect. As I'm still batting 1.000 after 4+ years of vaping, it has been non-issue for me as to what could happen if someone saw me and disliked what I was doing. I'm not 'stealth vaping' but also just know how to vape in public so that it would be almost impossible to be caught in the act.

There's really not a place that someone could name that I wouldn't vape, while there are likely situations in any place (includes vape shops, or even outdoors) that I might not vape in. Any place that has a rest room would be a place where I'd challenge even a die hard vaper to determine if I vaped in the place or not. I'm thinking most would not know, for sure, or would only be guessing.

I personally say this: I won't tolerate seeing people vape in places where smoking isn't allowed, as that's what's causing more and more media attention to things we are trying to keep legal all over the world.

And I say this in rebuttal. I won't tolerate on an open vaping forum for people to espousing the notion that vaping in public is inherently disrespectful.

If you can't bring yourself to the position of saying it is not inherently disrespectful to vape in public (where you are not allowed to smoke), then I say let the debate continue.

All I ask is for some common sense when all these regulations are deeming vaping to be illegal all over the world.

These regulations are CLEARLY based on ANTZ rhetoric. Of the people that hang out on this site regularly in the politics of vaping type sections, there are maybe 3 (at most) that see it as mostly/entirely on vapers the problems that face vaping as a community. And regularly, it is noted that it is ANTZ rhetoric that is doing us in. When fellow vapers do not critically analyze the rhetoric and tactics, it is sad, but it is also fairly normal, especially for newbies to the site.

I've said this before, and will say it again, everyone I've ever met or heard of has a little ANTZ in them. So there are degrees of it. As I've quit cold turkey in my past, I can recall being a bit ANTZ-like at points in my life, and yet while being a ex-smoker for around 5 years, I made a room (nice, fun place) in my house to allow for smoking. Thus, I've never really been extremely ANTZ. But even today, there is perhaps a smidgeon of ANTZ like philosophy running through me, and I'm usually glad when that is confronted/addressed. I disdain that part of me, but again consider it 'normal' for current world culture.

Vapers have many notions of what is our opposition's main goal. Things like: money, control, and power usually appear at or near the top of most people's lists. Me: I am convinced it is shame/shaming in hopes that will lead to eradication of all nicotine use/users on the planet. When I see shaming, I counter it. Presenting a position of vaping in public is as shameful as smoking there is grounds for me to write long rebuttals that take that position apart and expose it for what it is: FUD.
 

Jman8

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jan 15, 2013
6,419
12,928
Wisconsin
Hate me or not, but regarding another thing: This whole diacetyl drama going on with media regarding bans and regulations is started by vapers themselves. We cried wolf, and the media and governments followed.

We at least partially agree on this. From day 1, when I heard of of diacetyl being found in eLiquid (where vendors claimed it wasn't), I took it as next likely candidate for ANTZ to shame users on the 'danger' aspect of their activity. We had formaldehyde before that and anti-freeze before that. Diacetyl will not be the final item that is used to scare vapers.

Thus, not really accurate to say media and governments followed our cries on this. Though there is truth to that, because some vapers went from position of "flavors are wonderful" to "I will only do unflavored now. Because I care about my health." That's all fine and good as far as personal positions go, but when fellow vaper enters into public debate in vein of "so should you!" then it is really just a proxy battle with ANTZ-like rhetoric in the mix.

The thing missing from many of these debates we have, though @DC2 and @Kent C (perhaps others) would not be included in this assertion, is that what we are actually fighting is war against smoking/vaping that began circa 1950 and has gained steam throughout current history. Vaping set that back in so many ways, it is hard to quantify. But, the position of ANTZ rhetoric and it's influence on media / governments is very pertinent to what we are up against.

I believe there is such a thing as 'full blown ANTZ' and don't think we see that on the forum except in some odd cases where a person is posing as vaper and constantly starts threads that amount to 'here's another version of FUD, but I hope you all see it as your activity is dangerous.' Even then, it is impossible to know if it is full blown ANTZ operative who's doing this. Plus, it is not good forum practice to go after person rather that the position/rhetoric.

When it comes to media / government, I think it is very obvious that full blown ANTZ operatives are framing the discussion in general public. Usually, they don't even hide it, because it is like we live in a world where Nazis won (their) world war and are proud to state their political stance. As if being a prohibitionist / puritan is something to celebrate or admire.

But it is this rhetoric and it's historical grasp on human society that we are up against, in shared reality. And while it is plausible that obnoxious acting vaper in public does add 'fuel to the fire' it is also far more likely that existence of free roaming nicotine on the planet (be that in legal or illegal markets) is all the fuel the fire needs to keep going. From full blown ANTZ perspective, everything else, I imagine, is a blip on the radar and best case scenario is that current users feel more shame than pride in whatever that blip is currently presenting to society as a whole.

I say bump that and yes, let us stoke the flames in a way that uses science, respect and political civil disobedience to turn the tide back: to the position of common sense and human decency.
 

djsvapour

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Oct 2, 2012
11,822
7,901
England and Wales
Look at it this way...

That secretary now has a 'cause', a 'holy crusade', something to to lend righteous credibility to her life.

That sounds wholesome and life-affirming. :)

My cause is to ridicule VaporFi.
My holy crusade is to destroy Blu.

Man... I even have a white cat and banks of computer screens. :eek:
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tommy-Chi

edyle

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 23, 2013
14,199
7,195
Port-of-Spain, Trinidad & Tobago
That sounds wholesome and life-affirming. :)

My cause is to ridicule VaporFi.
My holy crusade is to destroy Blu.

Man... I even have a white cat and banks of computer screens. :eek:

and one of these.......
latest
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread