Here is my personal experience with this topic. When my husband and I first started vaping, he dove head first into it all. Jumping on the forums every free second, spending money constantly on the next best device and waiting on the mailman like a crazy person. After a week of doing nothing but arguing I came to this conclusion. For one we are all wired differently. For some (like me) simplicity works for them. For others obsessing about the technical side of vaping is what keeps them attracted to it. I learned through that process that because of his excitement about the products he was able to get others excited about it too. At times it does get to be too much talk about the next new thing but hey if that's what keeps these people from analogs than so be it. It is really quite simple; if you don't like what another person does than turn your head and walk away. If it is not directly affecting your personal well being then it shouldn't really matter. People are gonna do and say what they want to. We only drive ourselves crazy when we worry about the actions of others. If one doesn't like something they should change it, not talk about the changes that need to be made. Be the change!!
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Nonsense - if you want to talk about people, go to a people forum, though I don't think I've ever actually seen a straight people forum.
I am here to learn about vaping, juice and gear, and have fun while doing it. Random comments about life and kitties and tacos make it fun.
If I wanted people I'd go to facebook, or maybe twitter - lots of useless social garbage on twitter, but you know what, it's still subject related. Be it gaming, language, celebrities, drinking, there is always a subject, if you don't like the subject, there are plenty other groups and forums waiting to be found.
You and OP show an inability to see how others connect, perceive and associate and that may perhaps be exactly why you and OP feel the way you do.
ECFs mission is to: Provide a world class information source for the vaping community in a work and family safe environment. This core mission statement implies a lot but is pretty self explanatory.
Speaking of which - wouldn't this subject belong in the lounge area since it's about feelings about people and not really an e-smoking discussion ??? Did I misunderstand the forum rules ???
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Whoops didn't copy the quote I wanted. I'm agreeing that people really should come first.
We are human.
I am NOT attacking this forum in particular, so everyone can stop defending ECF. I call it like I see it, and I am looking at the entire spectrum of the vaping "subculture". I do think there is some truth to what I have said and I stand behind it. Agree or disagree as you like.
Like some above me said, this area is for the help aspect of vaping. If things get too chatty, the thread gets moved to the social areas. Check out the 'Lounge' and you will find what you're looking for. Have you even explored ALL the different sections of the forum? I'm surprised they let the Daily Call to Action threads stay in the general section. There is a news and legislation section just for these.
Even in the e-liquid section, if things get too chatty they get moved. Talk to the HHV people, we were just sitting in our little thread and I walked out the door and we were moved to our own sub-forum!
Take a stroll around the different areas and you will find all that you seek. Each little nook and cranny have unified people. Everything under the ECF banner is unified in that it IS all about vaping and the people that vape. Whether you are into the tech, liquids, rebuilding and even into just connecting with like minded people, it is ALL here.
Like in ANY family, there will be disagreements but that doesn't mean that we will turn our backs on the community as a whole. Our first goal is to help in any way that we can. We just tend to have a difference of opinion on what that help should be. NOTHING is absolute. What a boring place it would be if everyone agreed on everything. But I will say, we are all on agreement that we LOVE being, or getting, as far away from cigarettes as we are able. Even on that there are differences. There are some that still have a few a day. But guess what? That's ok too!
or have over 8,600 posts in a year (cough).
It is a people place and, I think at heart, a people community. Talk about shiny toys may get the most attention, but that doesn't make it the most important thing. Ever meet another vaper in the wild? Sure, you show off your toys, but it's much more about OMG! One of me!!!
Another vaper!!!
What's your main set-up?
What do you think of Vivi Novas?
Have you tried RBAs?
Have you found an ADV? What's your handle on ECF?
OMG that will be sooooo me if I ever get the chance to see someone actually vaping other than myself!!!!!!!
Thanks for the replies. Here is another thing that I find disturbing. If we as vapers are so "people focused" how come only a handful of members took a minute to say thank you to the 2 people responsible for making electronic cigarettes a reality? The two people I am talking about are Mr. Gilbert and Mr. Lik. Here are the threads again:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/453599-honor-mr-hon-lik-thank-you-thread.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/453616-honor-mr-gilbert-thank-you-thread.html
If a man creates or invents a device which may well be responsible for saving our lives, should we not honor them in some way? Is saying thank you too much?
There are thousands of members here but only a handful have anything to say?
Is it apathy? Is it ignorance (people not knowing who they are)? Are we too busy with other topics, toys, and gadgets? Do people think it is "corny"? These men are very much the fathers of modern vaping, should we not show our respect in some way?
The lack of responses to these threads reinforced for me my opening question and observation about where our priorities seem to be. And as God is my witness, I tell you truly, it makes me feel ashamed to be a vaper.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/453599-honor-mr-hon-lik-thank-you-thread.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/453616-honor-mr-gilbert-thank-you-thread.html
If a man creates or invents a device which may well be responsible for saving our lives, should we not honor them in some way? Is saying thank you too much?
There are thousands of members here but only a handful have anything to say?
Is it apathy? Is it ignorance (people not knowing who they are)? Are we too busy with other topics, toys, and gadgets? Do people think it is "corny"? These men are very much the fathers of modern vaping, should we not show our respect in some way?
The lack of responses to these threads reinforced for me my opening question and observation about where our priorities seem to be. And as God is my witness, I tell you truly, it makes me feel ashamed to be a vaper.
When it comes down to it, and people express their disappointments and frustrations, the folks here wally.
When someone posts a milestone, there is kudos given big time.
Just as you read through your thread you will see that.
People here do care because in reality we all know it
is a matter of postponing our transition from here to life after.
Yeah vaping for some I myself included becomes a hobby as well.
But only one other place have I seen more love and comraderie, and unity
than here.
When someone posts a milestone, there is kudos given big time.
Just as you read through your thread you will see that.
People here do care because in reality we all know it
is a matter of postponing our transition from here to life after.
Yeah vaping for some I myself included becomes a hobby as well.
But only one other place have I seen more love and comraderie, and unity
than here.
Ye gods! Must we wait until Mr. Lik is dead to honor him? If we won't honor these men, then who WILL we honor? I just don't understand it.
I am starting to get a bit creeped out. I feel there's a set of rules I don't necessarily agree with, or can't live up to. Usually, when it gets to this point, the bar is perpetually raised and new gospels are written until there's just a handful of high priests left to soar over the rest of the "great unwashed".
Sorry for putting this in such a blunt manner. I don't enjoy being seen as apathetic or ignorant just because I have yet to notice certain threads since I've been too busy playing with my toys. Now that is disrespect for ones fellow man. And not just a tiny bit self centered.
"I'm not worthy"
Sorry for putting this in such a blunt manner. I don't enjoy being seen as apathetic or ignorant just because I have yet to notice certain threads since I've been too busy playing with my toys. Now that is disrespect for ones fellow man. And not just a tiny bit self centered.
"I'm not worthy"
Well for me it's not being informed. When I went to buy the first Blu disposable type, and subsequently my ego kit, there was no such pamphlet or printing of any sort sayin who invented the ecig. And honestly I didn't think it was any individual person really, moreso a company. And me spending my money on them is support and thanks.
Is a JAFR the same as a leaverite? As in, leaver 'er right where you found her?
Was this actually the entire point of this thread? You are upset that people aren't honoring other people in a different thread?
Might have been easier just to say so right in the beginning in that case...
Well... I guess I took a pass on the thread for a few reasons:
First, I am shy about expressing gratitude and tend to do it only with people I have been personally acquainted with, and in a private setting.
Next, I think the success and growth and millions of dollars of profits that have been made in the e cig market adequately display the people's appreciation for their innovation.
Last, there are a lot of products I am glad are in existence. Maybe I am apathetic but I don't feel compelled to personally thank the makers of each and every one.
Sorry if you feel that makes me a jerk, or ashamed to be in my company...
First, I am shy about expressing gratitude and tend to do it only with people I have been personally acquainted with, and in a private setting.
Next, I think the success and growth and millions of dollars of profits that have been made in the e cig market adequately display the people's appreciation for their innovation.
Last, there are a lot of products I am glad are in existence. Maybe I am apathetic but I don't feel compelled to personally thank the makers of each and every one.
Sorry if you feel that makes me a jerk, or ashamed to be in my company...
Are you ranting now?
You can if you wish but thats not the way to make friends and influence people.
As for me i personally don't like the way you express yourself in a condescending manner. I am not in this forum watching every post made so i missed even seeing your thread. I have other forums i am more active in and only came here because of some friends who were posting. Namely a Lion and The Ocelot. Plus a few others.
I don't see a problem. In almost every ECF thread I read, there is a newbie saying hello, how long he's been off cigarettes, and asking a question or two about equipment or eliquids. When I see a new product on the market, I come here to see what people are saying about it. There simply is such a vast amount of equipment out there. There are so many controversies about what should and shouldn't be in an eliquid. I've even seen someone grousing that all eliquids should be tobacco flavored. Quitting cigarettes by vaping isn't as simple as saying "I ate baby carrots to get off cigarettes". I can tell you, being off cigarettes now for nearly nine months, that this is the forum I have come to for constant support, every single day. My friends who put me onto vaping came to town one weekend and then went home, but ECF was always here. While I was still craving cigarettes I was getting stoked on what I read here, on the humor, on all the banners that say "35,000 cigarettes not smoked", all that stuff. I wanted to speak the language of the good people posting here. I wanted to be like them. Now that I don't crave cigarettes any longer, I still come here to see what's new. The legislative alerts are completely invaluable. Perhaps the only problem is that there is too much information here. If I read this forum continuously for the rest of my life, I don't think I could take it all in. To say that people should come first seems, to me, absurd. I don't intend any disrespect in that. ECF is by, for and about people. If you don't want to read brand threads, you don't have to.
I think that in all of this, its important to realise that e- cigs were not invented only as a way to stop smoking but also as a way to deliver nicotine without smoke for those who do not want gum , chew, or patches. From what I've managed to read on it (just a little , admittedly...) these are the twofold reasons it was introduced to the market in China.
There are also people who simply enjoy nicotine while many others want to quit altogether. Some people simply don't like the smoke and choose e-cigs for that reason, alone.
I think its good to know that many people are also trying to quit, never to look at nicotine in their loves ever again. I think that is the beauty of the product: its your choice! You can dial up or down, get into your gear, or not, use 24mg or 0. Heck, e-cigs even manage to make it all more appealing by letting people add flavors that domestic analog manufacturers don't care to add, nor want foreign manufactures to use widely!!! (Cloves, anyone? Those darned flavors! They must be banned because people like flavors more than chemical laced tobacco nicotine! Gasp!)
This is what I think bothers analog manufacturers. There is no guarantee of a continuing customer, just because they bought something a few times when it comes to e-cigs. The choice is totally up to the user, not the number of ads they put out.
Yes, I think that the focus should be on people, first, but there are all kinds of people in different situations with different goals. Toys are fun to compare and modify.... But in the end, if someone is experiencing a major health issue, a doctor should be the first person they look to. Support here on the board or any place would be ideal, but not everyone will have much to say.
Is there a part of the board for people who need that sort of feedback? We have parts for specific mods and even for healthcare professionals. Perhaps there needs to be one for people with ongoing symptoms from smoking analogs.
Other than that, we are here and alive and having fun all over this board with all sorts of things other than e-cigs . That is the point of extending ones' life, right? To enjoy it and the people we know a bit longer?
There are also people who simply enjoy nicotine while many others want to quit altogether. Some people simply don't like the smoke and choose e-cigs for that reason, alone.
I think its good to know that many people are also trying to quit, never to look at nicotine in their loves ever again. I think that is the beauty of the product: its your choice! You can dial up or down, get into your gear, or not, use 24mg or 0. Heck, e-cigs even manage to make it all more appealing by letting people add flavors that domestic analog manufacturers don't care to add, nor want foreign manufactures to use widely!!! (Cloves, anyone? Those darned flavors! They must be banned because people like flavors more than chemical laced tobacco nicotine! Gasp!)
This is what I think bothers analog manufacturers. There is no guarantee of a continuing customer, just because they bought something a few times when it comes to e-cigs. The choice is totally up to the user, not the number of ads they put out.
Yes, I think that the focus should be on people, first, but there are all kinds of people in different situations with different goals. Toys are fun to compare and modify.... But in the end, if someone is experiencing a major health issue, a doctor should be the first person they look to. Support here on the board or any place would be ideal, but not everyone will have much to say.
Is there a part of the board for people who need that sort of feedback? We have parts for specific mods and even for healthcare professionals. Perhaps there needs to be one for people with ongoing symptoms from smoking analogs.
Other than that, we are here and alive and having fun all over this board with all sorts of things other than e-cigs . That is the point of extending ones' life, right? To enjoy it and the people we know a bit longer?
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