A Starbucks Vaping Story

[peterforpats]

I'm amazed nobody has pointed out the irony that arguably the most recognized vaping "celebrity" - Grimm Green - works for StarBucks. I'm not trying to make a point, I just find it funny...

wonder if he stealth vapes if they don't allow it where he works? wonder if it's worth his job?

 

[peakcomm]

little evidence? the point of this thread is how he vaped in starbucks- how do you know if anybody in the store was disturbed or offended by it? did he say anybody this is vaping and here is how it is NOT smoking? not according to his story- he just did it. who do you vape for? I vape for me and not to show or impress anybody else- I need the nicotine to help me shed 40 years of smoking. I am not ashamed of vaping but I don't need to stealth vape somewhere or offend(or not) anybody else. I guess I respect other people whether they mind or not. not everyone who is bothered by it will say something anyway. I just don't feel the need to satisfy my habit(no matter how much better it is than smoking) at the expense of anybody else. you obviously feel differently

As I've said many times, I don't advocate stealth vaping. I advocate public vaping. The OP may be new at this. When we know better, we do better.

For myself, I'm not trying to sneak anything past anyone. I'm not out to impress anyone. Though I haven't come across one yet, I would not vape in a place where it is explicitly prohibited. But I, too, have a nearly 40 year history of smoking and the nicotine in my PV keeps me away from the cigarettes that I am sure would otherwise have killed me. I don't walk around in a fog, but I rarely go 15 minutes without wanting a hit. So my PV is always within reach, wherever I am.

Perhaps you think that makes me the "...... vaper" I haven't met. In that case, I certainly do feel differently. I don't sneak, but I don't go out of my way to draw attention, either. I don't believe I disrespect others. I certainly don't blow plumes in their faces and then stomp my feet and whine about how I have a RIGHT!

But I do vape virtually everywhere. And no one has ever asked me to stop. Anywhere. Any time. Does that mean no one was ever offended at the sight of me vaping? No, I guess I can't guarantee that. But I know from personal experience that my fellow citizens are not shy about speaking up when they feel put upon. When I smoked, I encountered people almost daily who felt they had the right to ask me to stop, even while I was in an area where smoking was expressly allowed. I heard from them frequently, sometimes respectfully, but often not. So I'm not going to be easily convinced that suddenly, everyone who is offended by my vaping is afraid to say so.

I think, instead, that it is more likely that most people around me simply never noticed -- or didn't care. Those who did notice were almost all curious. I was glad to answer their questions. I cherish my vaping. I think it's saving my life. I sincerely believe that if I don't use my right to do something that helps me and hurts no one else, I may lose it. So I vape on. Hope you do the same.

 

[rebgold]

I vape everywhere and not stealthily either. I just assume I can do it if there are no signs. Only once have I been asked not to, at the bar of a high end restaurant and only because one customer complained. Once that customer left they made a point of coming back to my table to tell me I should feel free to vape again. Grocery stores, restaurants, Target, the kitchen I work in, no one ever seems to care.
I'm not trying to make a point, I just vape a lot and I figure if there's no rule against it and no one seems to mind, why not?
I didn't realize I might be an A hole vaper. I don't want to be an A hole vaper.

 

[Lexxon]

Claiming that "it's just water vapor" isn't strictly true unless what you're vaping is 100% water with no PG, VG, flavorings or nicotine. That's what was being pointed out, and the individual was correct.

Hmmm well after alittle research, I found the following links that says:

The e-cigarette is a water vapor with a battery on one end and a nicotine cartridge is typically found on the other end.

https://nccnews.expressions.syr.edu/?p=19576

And this one is a letter from CASSA to the University of Kentucky: CASAA's Letter to University of Kentucky Regarding Ellen Hahn

Small portion:

Hahn’s Claim: “the commercials claim” that e-cigarettes produce water vapor

The truth: There are a few vendors who have mistakenly described the vapor from e-cigarettes as
water vapor. But Hahn’s statement implies that this is the common practice, which it is not, and
that “the commercials” (as opposed to authoritative scientific sources like CASAA and online
discussion forums) are the main source of available information. Moreover, the claim “is like
water vapor” is actually much more accurate, from a practical standpoint, than her claims: A
claim that e-cigarettes produce water vapor, while technically false, helps the audience
understand that the vapor is very different from smoke, and that the health risk from the vapor is
similarly low to that from water vapor. This contrasts with many of Hahn’s claims that, while
technically true, are designed to cause the audience to believe the false claim that the vapor is
highly hazardous.

So now I understand that we do not vape "Water Vapor", as I was led to believe from a lot of sources.

I will be more careful when I talk about stuff here. Next time, please, just explain in a little more detail, why my statement was wrong, instead of just saying "your statement is wrong". Thank you...... And I sure don't want to upset anyone.

 

[minimalsaint]

Since this thread made it to 21 pages, I feel the need to tell SOMEone......
You should buy a Provari.

Good stuff. Thanks kids

 

[RosaJ]

Yesterday I sat in a Starbucks for a while just waitng for my beverage to be ready .
Then I decided to sit and enjoy, I was sitting agains the wall if you will directly in front
of the service counter cash register.
Know what I did; just for the sake of it.
Yup I stealth vaped, the employees were looking
as I put my pv in my mouth in anticipation...lol
As some people were waiting for their beverages
were wating for their drinks giving me a curious look.
I finally went outside sat for a bit where I continued to stealth.
No incident what so ever.
We can do what we do, its all in how
we do it

I wonder if the reason they didn't say anything is because you weren't vaping a cig-alike. It doesn't look like a cigarette and there was no "smoke" coming out of your mouth. LOL. The majority of people equate ecigs to the cig-alikes, not to the eGos, etc. Their aversion is towards the look of the ecig.

 

[stevegmu]

I'm not saying that you are making this argument, but I'd like to use your example to make a point...

There seems to be some people making an argument that if anyone vapes in Target they will stop us from vaping in Target.
So if we never vape in Target, we won't have to worry about them preventing us from vaping in Target.

So don't vape in Target, in order to make sure they continue to theoretically let us vape in Target, as long as we don't actually ever do it.


You got that right.

Just be discreet, if you must vape. I'm waiting for vaping to become socially acceptable. I know people here hate them, but BLU and their advertisements have done more for the cause than anyone else.

 

[Susiejo]

Why is it always about that other person who is offended? I personally am offended by all those people out there who are always offended by something. They cant go a day without finding something to be offended over, or whinning or complaining. And I personally am tired of everybody kowtowing to these perpetually unhappy people whose only desire in life is to make everybody else as miserable as they are!

 

[stevegmu]

It is a sad state of affairs when one can be fined in certain areas for flying an American flag on their own property because someone is offended by it, or when a cross on a monument to the fallen of WW2 has to be removed or covered up because someone is offended by it. When Christmas break and Easter break are reduced to winter break and spring break and when department stores no longer wish customers a merry Christmas, but must use the term happy holidays, because some may be offended, it is no surprise to me corporations and politicians without a backbone so easily give in to those who are 'offended.' Sadly, it is what America has become. BLU says take your freedom back; I want my country back.

 

[SAG]

While we sit here not offending others, you do realize they are already passing laws, right? I'm pretty sure the call to action on proposed new regs show up in yellow on the top of the forum. Mainly because we "look" like we're smoking (IMHO). I was quiet on many things because I thought "aw that will never happen". Ummmm so WTH happened? So right now, I don't want to hear, vape in your closet, don't offend anyone. To be clear, as I've said in the past, I'm not fogging up somebodies business without permission. I just think we are damned if we do, damned if we don't. Kinda. For now. Until some bully shows up with a loud mouth and shoves me in a closet with a trunk full of batteries and juice. And an outlet. And a charger. And Qtips. And EC. And a toothbrush........

 

[stevegmu]

In football, politics and chess, hardly any ever win by only playing defense. Rather than respond to proposed legislation, find a sympathetic politician who will sponsor pro e-nic litigation. File a lawsuit aimed at a public university which has banned e-nic on campus. These are the only steps I see which will make a difference.

 

[jg1986]

It is kind of hard for me to stealth vape anywhere. I can discreetly take a drag, but, as soon as I exhale, it is a plume of vapor. I tend to either ask if it's ok to vape before trying to stealth vape a fog machine. My everyday vape is an El Kapitian mechanical mod with a igo-w wrapped with 28 gauge kanthal at .3 ohms.. It's difficult to hide the vapor clouds..

 

[rebgold]

It is a sad state of affairs when one can be fined in certain areas for flying an American flag on their own property because someone is offended by it, or when a cross on a monument to the fallen of WW2 has to be removed or covered up because someone is offended by it. When Christmas break and Easter break are reduced to winter break and spring break and when department stores no longer wish customers a merry Christmas, but must use the term happy holidays, because some may be offended, it is no surprise to me corporations and politicians without a backbone so easily give in to those who are 'offended.' Sadly, it is what America has become. BLU says take your freedom back; I want my country back.

Ummm, I was with you at first there, people being able to harmlessly vape and American flags and not having to constantly worry about offending people with stuff they have no logical reason to be offended by aren't quite the same as the last part of your rant. As a Jew, I am SO appreciative when people say happy holidays instead of Merry Christmas, it's like recognizing that not every person in our melting pot is exactly the same, Christian. It is very tiring to have people ask you if you're Christmas shopping every time you buy something in December. I'm Hanukkah shopping, what am I supposed to say? No, I'm not Christmas shopping? Or just smile and sort of ignore them like I'm kind of stupid? The point is, I want to vape while I'm Hanukkah shopping for winter break!!!!

 

[SAG]

Oh boy, here we go. Words that struck me: harmless, offending, logical reason. Life will be better when nobody says anything to anyone because of the fear of offending them! Why is everyone all of the sudden so "offended"? Life is too short. Smiles and walks away.

 

[Glen Snyder]

After reading the rest of your post I'm not sure how much we really disagree.


That is why the approach I advocate is to educate as many people as we can as fast as we can.


So I guess our disagreement is that vaping in public where smoking isn't allowed will piss off more of the public then it will help educate them.
I'm not sure who is correct, but I am confident that acting like a smoker is not going to get us anywhere.

I don't care about being right. it's just my opinion. Now, because it is my opinion you can see that I'm going to act accordingly and not vape where smoking is prohibited.

Here's the rub, in the end there's going to be regulation by the FDA. Right or wrong I have to live with me and what I did or didn't do to contribute to alienating the majority. It's a calculated risk on my part, but one I'm comfortable with and will allow me to sleep at night.

Just because you're completely wrong doesn't mean I don't like you. Just kidding, I wouldn't expect you to not act on your best judgement either. When folks with a common interest disagree about how to best approach the issue that's all it is, a disagreement. No biggie.

 

[skyztheLynnit]

I vaped at 24 feet 11 inches outside a starbucks. Crazy times!

Of course i was actually in an adjoining Wendy's parking lot.. but it's the principle.

 

[DC2]

I don't care about being right. it's just my opinion. Now, because it is my opinion you can see that I'm going to act accordingly and not vape where smoking is prohibited.

Here's the rub, in the end there's going to be regulation by the FDA. Right or wrong I have to live with me and what I did or didn't do to contribute to alienating the majority. It's a calculated risk on my part, but one I'm comfortable with and will allow me to sleep at night.

Just because you're completely wrong doesn't mean I don't like you. Just kidding, I wouldn't expect you to not act on your best judgement either. When folks with a common interest disagree about how to best approach the issue that's all it is, a disagreement. No biggie.

So you're saying I have failed to change your opinion?
Oh well, can't say I didn't try.

 

[Sa Da Tay]

This entire horse has been beaten, flayed and set on fire but I can't help but give it one more kick with an analogy.

It's not illegal to talk in a movie theater. The theater owners can set it as their policy and ask you to leave, but they can't have you arrested just for talking in their theater. If you choose to talk in a theater, you are asserting your 1st amendment rights.

However, if you talk in a theater, you, sir, are an ***hole. Not breaking a law and asserting your "rights" doesn't exclude the fact that you lack a common sense of social awareness and decency. But if some people want to continue vaping with a chip on their shoulder, daring anyone to knock it off, I suppose that it is their right.

 

[jg1986]

This entire horse has been beaten, flayed and set on fire but I can't help but give it one more kick with an analogy.

It's not illegal to talk in a movie theater. The theater owners can set it as their policy and ask you to leave, but they can't have you arrested just for talking in their theater. If you choose to talk in a theater, you are asserting your 1st amendment rights.

However, if you talk in a theater, you, sir, are an ***hole. Not breaking a law and asserting your "rights" doesn't exclude the fact that you lack a common sense of social awareness and decency. But if some people want to continue vaping with a chip on their shoulder, daring anyone to knock it off, I suppose that it is their right.

This brings up an acronym I have used for years... PISS Properly Interpret the Social Situation...

 

[peterforpats]

This entire horse has been beaten, flayed and set on fire but I can't help but give it one more kick with an analogy.

It's not illegal to talk in a movie theater. The theater owners can set it as their policy and ask you to leave, but they can't have you arrested just for talking in their theater. If you choose to talk in a theater, you are asserting your 1st amendment rights.

However, if you talk in a theater, you, sir, are an ***hole. Not breaking a law and asserting your "rights" doesn't exclude the fact that you lack a common sense of social awareness and decency. But if some people want to continue vaping with a chip on their shoulder, daring anyone to knock it off, I suppose that it is their right.

sorry, but talking in a movie theatre has NOTHING to do with 1st amendment rights. perhaps people who use the constitution and the bill of rights would do well to read and understand them. the first amendment deals(in part) with what the government can and can't do with regards to speech. it has NOTHING to do with what a private business like a theater or starbucks can do to curtail speech or behavior. choosing to talk in a theatre has zilch to do with 1st amendment- it is rude and annoying.