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Okay, okay! Everybody needs to just come down to my Starbucks in Augusta, GA. There you will find free beverages, free pastries, and you can vape on the patio all day if you please!
I can't believe this thread is still on the first page. Oye vey I need some aspirin.
Meh. Like I said, everybody I work with (with the exception of my store manager who is evil) thinks the non-smoking policy's extension to ecigs is ridiculous. Since she only ever works Mondays and Tuesdays, you'd pretty much be safe if you came any other day, lol. Me and two other coworkers vape in the back all the time--surprisingly, said store manager doesn't seem to care when we do that.
Yeah, and an O'Douls is an imitation beer. So should people only be allowed to drink O'Douls in places where alcohol can be served, so they don't risk offending or confusing any sensitive soul who may think they are drinking beer? Should an O'Douls in the cupholder make the user subject to "open container" laws? To my way of thinking, that's just nuts.
Since you are still a smoker, I guess it makes sense that you think and behave like a smoker. I am NOT a smoker. I am a vaper. Nicotine use isn't illegal or immoral. Users of nicotine gum, lozenges, patches and inhalers are not sent to the smoking area. I see no reason why any vaper should be, either, and I certainly won't take myself there voluntarily.
If anyone ever asked me to stop vaping in a public place, I would politely explain the difference between smoking and vaping. If they still insisted, I would respectfully remove myself -- and my wallet -- from the premises; I would NOT go to a designated smoking area. But the fact is, I have publicly vaped almost everywhere I've been in the past six months, across more than a dozen states. And no one has asked me to stop yet.
I am convinced we are beating a straw man.
What?
If O'douls contains alcohol then the answer is yes, it should be treated like alcohol.. I don't get that question?
How can you compare lozenges, inhalers, and gum to vaping in *terms of nicotine delivery*?
Considering bannings are one of the hottest debates for e-cigs i don't think its beating a "straw"..
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vaping compared to public .........ion and illicit water usage?
wasn't comparing..
Ah, then this is exactly the situation I'd be in if someone asked me to stop "smoking" my PV. I would inform them.
You see, Brusky, O'Douls is the most well-known brand of NON-alcoholic beer. It's not near-beer, it's no beer. But it looks enough like and, to some, tastes enough like beer to satisfy a beer thirst. To my knowledge, its consumption is illegal nowhere. It's a soft drink.
I compare patches, lozenges, inhalers and gum to vaping in terms of nicotine delivery, because all of them are USED for nicotine delivery. Nicotine-delivery smoking cessation tools all put nicotine into the user's bloodstream, some of them much more consistently than vaping. Yet anecdotal and early clinical evidence suggests vaping is significantly more effective in actually keeping users off cigarettes. So why should only vaping be restricted in public?
And the straw man I think we're beating? He's the so-called obnoxious ...... who is turning all these shy non-vapers against us with his in-the-face, rude insistence on his right to vape. I am more and more convinced he's an urban myth that is being used to frighten some of us into restricting our own freedom. Actual vaping bans are very rare. Why behave as if they were already everywhere?
Well if O'douls is non alcoholic, then the answer is simple..
Lozenges, gums you can obviously use it without disturbing anyone, its private.. Vaping like i said your imitating smoking with nicotine and can effect people around you.. I would not want clouds of someone elses vapor come past me and my baby when i am trying to dine out at a restaurant, even if its harmless and has no traces of nicotine, and this coming from a smoker.
there are already people on this thread saying they will disregard company policies on vaping, and will stealth vape because they feel that they are entitled to it. So the issue is there..
Stealth vaping does not emit clouds of vapor, because it is stealth (i.e. not noticeable).
yes, but if a company does not allow vaping, and your vaping (or should i say stealth vaping) are you not breaking company policy?
Linden, do you happen to be from..... Linden?
I see so few MI vapers in the wild and we all seem to be scattered throughout the mitten LOL
I see so few MI vapers in the wild and we all seem to be scattered throughout the mitten LOL
"yes, but if a company does not allow vaping, and your vaping (or should i say stealth vaping) are you not breaking company policy?"
Yes, and I also cut the tags off of my pillows and don't always wash my apples.
In addition, I do not frequent Starbucks. Not because their policy is absurd (which it is) but because I don't like their coffee for the price.
The way things are going, it isn't going to be just a handful of businesses banning vaping. I'm sure most of us will be breaking 'rules' in the future.
Yes, and I also cut the tags off of my pillows and don't always wash my apples.
In addition, I do not frequent Starbucks. Not because their policy is absurd (which it is) but because I don't like their coffee for the price.
The way things are going, it isn't going to be just a handful of businesses banning vaping. I'm sure most of us will be breaking 'rules' in the future.
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I am very very near to Linden, but no. Its a play on my last name!
Which will put vaping in a more negative light then it is now. When a company has a no vaping policy, and people spot others secretly vaping in the stores your not going to help the anti-ban proposition at all..
Second of all why wouldn't you want to go to the smokers spot? They are the people you have the highest chances of raising awareness of vaping to, instead of stealth vaping among non smokers..
Maybe a couple people cracked wise, but I don't believe anyone here has seriously suggested that we all go vape where vaping is prohibited. Even the OP didn't do that. I would hope no one with common sense would suggest that. [ON EDIT: OK, so Linden just made me a liar. No offense, Linden, but I don't agree with rebel vaping. I believe we should, first, lobby to prevent such rules from being passed, second, protest loudly when they are passed, and finally, fight to overturn them and gain legal protection for vaping.]
Some people here say they stealth vape in places where smoking is prohibited, but vaping is not explicitly prohibited. Those vapers would not bother you or your baby because you would never notice them at all. Personally, I don't stealth. I'm just not into being sneaky. I vape openly but, I believe, considerately. I don't walk around in a fog and I don't vape in close quarters. (Breathing in someone's face is simply rude, whether you're vaping or not.) So while you might see me vaping, my clouds will not leave my space and disturb yours. Vapor droplets are much larger and heavier than smoke particles, so vape settles out of the air much faster. As long as I watch how close I am to others, I can be sure of not intruding with my small plumes.
But to those who think I shouldn't vape openly because the mere sight of me might disturb someone who doesn't understand the difference between vaping and smoking ... well, I just am not convinced by that argument. I am happy to explain the difference. I am delighted to demonstrate the difference. I will point to the science that proves the difference. The difference changed my life.
But I won't simply submit to being treated like a smoker. Because I am not a smoker.
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I would love to, but is it ok if I bring chunks of cheese? I can't have donuts (diabetic).
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