About banning flavors

[Mac]

The flavor bans on tobacco excludes cigars and hookah right? So can't we rename all the flavors cherry cigar and grape cigarillo? Vanilla hookah delight etc? I mean wouldn't that just circumvent the whole thing?

What say you?

 

[Mac]

No one thinks this could work?

 

[dee5]

I like the way you think "out of the box", but no, as stupid as they are it probably wouldn't fool them.

 

[Jeff989]

well cigars and hookah are considered recreational things right? but yeah i would think that might be a way to get around it.. but who knows... i think since the devices are called e-cigarettes i would think the gov't would put them in the same category but hell who knows i guess

 

[cliff5550]

Hide the flavors. How about "cherbacco", "grapacco", or "raspbacco"?
Nah. Don't think it would work.

 

[Dilutetrips]

If they do ban flavors, just sell plain juice. Sell "flavors" as a side thing and what we do with it is our choice. We add our "flavors" on our own. Goverment can not ban "flavors". If they do it would stop bakers, candy makers etc... from making there items.

 

[skydragon]

I don't remember the exact details, but when the tobacco taxes went up PM changed the name for their bags of cigarette tobacco. I think they also changed the way they cut it or something (same product though) but bottom line it came down to where it no longer fell under the new taxes. So, can just changing the names work? Very possibly.

 

[Vocalek]

What we need to change the name of is the product. VDH arbitrarily decided to include this in its smoking ban because they declared it is a "type of cigarette." It truly is not a cigarette type, any more than a candy cigarette is a type of cigarette. It is merely a product that is shaped to resemble a cigarette. If the product I'm using isn't any type of cigarette and doesn't produce smoke, it isn't covered in the ban, even the way the VDH has misinterpreted things.

 

[martha1014]

You can't buy cigarettes with candy flavors, fruity flavors or any other flavors other than methol so why would anybody want to vape these. I prefer tobacco flavors like regular cigarettes tasted. I quit smoking and switched to an alternative (ecigs) and the closest I have found are the regular tobacco flavors.

 

[maureengill]

You can't buy cigarettes with candy flavors, fruity flavors or any other flavors other than methol so why would anybody want to vape these. I prefer tobacco flavors like regular cigarettes tasted. I quit smoking and switched to an alternative (ecigs) and the closest I have found are the regular tobacco flavors.

Because I'm trying to quit smoking and i find that tobacco flavors make me want a real cigarette. I'd much rather taste peanut butter, or blueberry all day and not think of lighting up...even worse...I'm actually starting to like menthol again (started at age 11 smoking newports but switched to marlboro for some reason).

Maureen

 

[Treece]

You can't buy cigarettes with candy flavors, fruity flavors or any other flavors other than methol so why would anybody want to vape these. I prefer tobacco flavors like regular cigarettes tasted. I quit smoking and switched to an alternative (ecigs) and the closest I have found are the regular tobacco flavors.

If we want to make vaping more attractive to smokers, offering myriad flavors is a good way to do it. Many former smokers who have switched to vaping find tobacco flavors repugnant after time--often after a very short time.

Flavors other than tobacco distance us from what was appealing about smoking and are what keep many of us vaping.

That's something to be encouraged, as I see it.

 

[TokenVapor]

What say you?

Here's an idea that has been put forth too many time to count. Add flavorings that are sold separately!!!

IMO... If you refuse to add the flavorings yourself you're just being lazy.

I gladly give up the convenience of pre-flavored juice if it removes another hurdle in getting e-cigs approved. You really need to step back and look at the big picture.

 

[duke118]

Here's an idea that has been put forth too many time to count. Add flavorings that are sold separately!!!

IMO... If you refuse to add the flavorings yourself you're just being lazy.

I gladly give up the convenience of pre-flavored juice if it removes another hurdle in getting e-cigs approved. You really need to step back and look at the big picture.

I agree I rather do it myself.

 

[Mac]

Here's an idea that has been put forth too many time to count. Add flavorings that are sold separately!!!

IMO... If you refuse to add the flavorings yourself you're just being lazy.

I gladly give up the convenience of pre-flavored juice if it removes another hurdle in getting e-cigs approved. You really need to step back and look at the big picture.

You my friend have obviously never met some of my customers. For some of these people handling liquids would be a real bad idea. You think some old lady with arthritis so bad she can barely hold a syringe should be doing diy? You really think the general populace should be mixing their own liquid? I am sorry but I do see that big picture and bending over to help the feds and anti's rape us is not the solution. They will never stop taking. Sorry, but I disagree and don't see how you could possibly believe that to begin with.

 

[TropicalBob]

Flavorings are not really a critical issue in the "Big Picture". Turn around and you'll see that e-smoking bans in non-smoking areas are spreading like wildfire. You'll see that a full ban could easily happen if the court rules the FDA is correct in branding these drug-delivery devices and liquid as a drug.

Killing flavored liquid, however, is a step toward killing the mass appeal we all hope e-smoking finds. We're hobbyists. Mac knows we are NOT average. I do agree with him that we should not walk down the path to surrender so easily.

 

[Mac]

Flavorings are not really a critical issue in the "Big Picture". Turn around and you'll see that e-smoking bans in non-smoking areas are spreading like wildfire. You'll see that a full ban could easily happen if the court rules the FDA is correct in branding these drug-delivery devices and liquid as a drug.

Killing flavored liquid, however, is a step toward killing the mass appeal we all hope e-smoking finds. We're hobbyists. Mac knows we are NOT average. I do agree with him that we should not walk down the path to surrender so easily.

Correct and it's easy to forget. Perhaps I am more aware of this then most because I do deal with the general public day in and day out. Believe me your average ECF member is alot more passionate and well informed then your average mall go-er.

 

[TokenVapor]

You my friend have obviously never met some of my customers. For some of these people handling liquids would be a real bad idea. You think some old lady with arthritis so bad she can barely hold a syringe should be doing diy? You really think the general populace should be mixing their own liquid? I am sorry but I do see that big picture and bending over to help the feds and anti's rape us is not the solution. They will never stop taking. Sorry, but I disagree and don't see how you could possibly believe that to begin with.

No I haven't met some of your customers. What we're talking about is adding flavorings, not cutting high strength juice. But this topic isn't about cutting juice, it's about flavors.
You must be talking about pre-flavored disposable carts for these people with arthritis. Because if they have arthritis and intend to squeeze a dropper bottle ie; dripping, filling a cart. They can easily add flavorings themselves.

If that person with arthritis can squeeze a dropper bottle. They can easily squeeze a pre-measured flavor bottle into a pre-measured e-juice dropper bottle.

Your argument only makes sense if you're talking about selling pre-flavored, disposable carts to the disabled or elderly. If they are that bad off. A caregiver can just as easily keep the juice flowing to someone in that position.
The problem is that the sales are not policed. Personally, I would like to see the same fines and punishments levied against e-cig merchants for selling to minors as for any other cigarette purchase. I'm not so naive to think that it doesn't happen, regularly.

I might add that our 15 year old daughter has been caught several times with packs of cigarettes that she's swiped from my wife and I. Pre-flavored, disposable carts would be too easy for her to hide the fact that she's vaping.
Now we've forced our daughter to quit smoking because 1) There are no cigarettes in the house. 2) She can't sustain a vaping lifestyle without it being easily detected.

I would like to keep it that way.

 

[Mac]

No I haven't met some of your customers. What we're talking about is adding flavorings, not cutting high strength juice. But this topic isn't about cutting juice, it's about flavors.
You must be talking about pre-flavored disposable carts for these people with arthritis. Because if they have arthritis and intend to squeeze a dropper bottle ie; dripping, filling a cart. They can easily add flavorings themselves.

If that person with arthritis can squeeze a dropper bottle. They can easily squeeze a pre-measured flavor bottle into a pre-measured e-juice dropper bottle.

Your argument only makes sense if you're talking about selling pre-flavored, disposable carts to the disabled or elderly. If they are that bad off. A caregiver can just as easily keep the juice flowing to someone in that position.
The problem is that the sales are not policed. Personally, I would like to see the same fines and punishments levied against e-cig merchants for selling to minors as for any other cigarette purchase. I'm not so naive to think that it doesn't happen, regularly.

I might add that our 15 year old daughter has been caught several times with packs of cigarettes that she's swiped from my wife and I. Pre-flavored, disposable carts would be too easy for her to hide the fact that she's vaping.
Now we've forced our daughter to quit smoking because 1) There are no cigarettes in the house. 2) She can't sustain a vaping lifestyle without it being easily detected.

I would like to keep it that way.

If you are really that passionate about keeping e-cigs away from kids, you had better hope that it ends up being retail people like me (who card) that sell them and not your favorite website who's only way of verifying age is to check a little I am over 18 box on the honor system. The days of that continuing are numbered. If the FDA doesn't ban these products all together the pact act will stop web business. Personally I think parents should be responsible for educating their children and being involved enough in their child's life to know just like you and your spouse do. Sadly there is no license required to procreate and too many parents don't even live in the same reality with their kids. You can continue believing that giving up flavors and forcing e-cig users to diy will help our cause if you like. I disagree. The people who want you off e-cigs and back onto tobacco are evil. They are corrupt and greedy. The reasons they give are excuses. They will not stop, no matter what concession you make. If you can't or won't see that. Then I am sorry. I have better things to do with my time then trying to convince you.