Acetyl Proprionyl, Diacetyl, Acetoine HELP
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And maybe ask if they tested for Acetyl and acetoin seeing as those are equally as bad.
I guess they are working on the acetyl propionyl and acetoin, but I'm not sure what that means, or if it will be disclosed. I'll ask about the 99% or 100% too.
I have a little twitch in my eye questioning if their test results will represent the exact same products I have in my closet. Its probably time to start getting creative in the kitchen. Then I'm like, why the hell am I going to put this artificial chemical crap in my food ?
I have a little twitch in my eye questioning if their test results will represent the exact same products I have in my closet. Its probably time to start getting creative in the kitchen. Then I'm like, why the hell am I going to put this artificial chemical crap in my food ?
They are not saying anything about any juices that have 1% or less Diacetyl.
F.W - "The FDA does not require suppliers to disclose specific ingredients if the material falls under the maximum requirements. For Diatcetyl it is 1%"
we2rcool - "FYI- In a flavoring that has less than 1% (.6%) diacetyl/similar, when used at a mere 2% in a juice, we'd be vaping 1200 ppb."
Me - Flavor West recommends using 15-20% flavouring. The amount of Diacetyl increases when heated, as in put on an atomizer and vaped.
NIOSH - "NIOSH recommends that exposure to diacetyl be kept below a concentration of 5 parts per billion (ppb) as a time-weighted average (TWA) during a 40-hour work week. To further protect against effects of short-term exposures, NIOSH recommends a short-term exposure limit (STEL) for diacetyl of 25 ppb for a 15-minute time period. "
As far as testing goes, I believe they only said they would put COA's on their website, which they already did. So any info you're going to get from them is already available. I could be mistaken?
You - "This is of course assuming that some of the flavors may test positive."
You should read this entire thread
'Just want to clarify this (because we really do not want to be accused of making it seem worse than it already is)...
>>> we2rcool - "FYI- In a flavoring that has less than 1% (.6%) diacetyl/similar, when used at a mere 2% in a juice, we'd be vaping 1200 ppb."<<<
That should read: "we'd be vaping juice that contains 1200 ppb" - but that doesn't mean there'd be 1200ppb in the vapor that we're vaping.
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Many of the nature's flavors, because organic, have naturally occuring diacetyls. Unless they make the flavor in a lab, which they don't since it is organic, not synthetic. Has something changed that I don't know about?
I think they are just advertising Diacetyl free. I was just noting the sugar that was added to the flavoring. However, it gives folks a false sense of security since it is advertised as diacetyl free.
They have 2 lines of "flavors" (not including their separate organic line).....their regular line which may contain it if it occurs naturally in the extract and then a second of some of their "flavors" that are diacetyl free.
I will note here that I have not spoken with them to get "proof" of the diacetyl free. I did order some of the grape not too terribly long ago from the diacetyl free line and it was on backorder of sorts. Regular line was still in stock, but there was a 30-60 day wait for the diacetyl free version (which is a hair more expensive).
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I'm still waiting to see if they can provide English versions of the one I had; I'm waiting on the others to follow. I've seen a few of them, though they were a bit hard to read as Google Translate butchered them, though I lost them during an e-mail server switch when the backups corrupted. I've since re-requested them from Marcelina and hope to have them soon.
I'll upload a few of them here to ECF once I have them back.
Did anyone ever hear anything else regarding this ?
"Dr. F indicated a new study adjudicated and reviewed by him is about to be released in which several samples of e-liquid tested contained massive amounts (70%) of ethylene glyc. He's coming out with the findings in the next few days or few weeks, and he's hoping it will "shake the e-cig industry very hard"
"Dr. F indicated a new study adjudicated and reviewed by him is about to be released in which several samples of e-liquid tested contained massive amounts (70%) of ethylene glyc. He's coming out with the findings in the next few days or few weeks, and he's hoping it will "shake the e-cig industry very hard"
Vapers Place - Show Schedule and Replays
Find "what does the law say-episode 8"
start listening at about 59 minutes in
Seems at this point that the actual data should be available, no? That show was a a long time ago.
I kinda think that kind of data should have been made public the same day....but yes it's well past the time he said he'd make it available
Yes, I have been waiting. I thought I heard it mentioned that it was going to be in a medical journal? Right or wrong? It's been a long time since I listened to that show.
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