advice what to try after juul

[kongfranon]

Ok so here is a quick story,

I started the juul almost 2 weeks ago, and I have to say I love it! It worked have not touched a cigarette over 2 weeks now.

I don't even have the cravings to light a cig when I am hanging with friends who do.

The downside is that I feel I am using my juul way more then when I was smoking cigs.

I use to be a 1/2 pack a day smoker on average, and sometimes on the weekend a lot less, especially in crappy weather. I would go out maybe every few hours.

Since the juul allows me to puff while even indoors and sitting on my computer all day, I realize I am taking in way more nicotine then probably when I was smoking cigs. I really don't know how much, I usually take 8-10 puffs every 10-30 minutes. I am not getting sick or anything that I can tell, but I know too much nicotine is never a good thing.

I originally tried ecig Back in 2008 or 2009, can't remember, and all I know is they were a pain to use, maintenance, clean up, refilling, leaking from the tanks, burnt taste, not good throat hit, I gave up after a few weeks.

The reason why I love the juul so much is there is no real work to it, just like a cigarrette. I just charge it once a day, and pop in the pod, and so far nothing has leaked on me, or gave me a burnt taste, in fact everything is perfect.


I am not sure if I should stick with juul, or start looking into another device, so I can lower my nicotine (from what I understand nicotine in juul is highest out of most vaping)

The problem is no idea what device to try next, that will allow me to chain vape , that is not a pain to use, and I want something I can keep in my pants pocket. I realize I don't want one of these huge devices, with tons of vapor.

Or do I stick with the juul for now since it only been 2 weeks?

Any advice? I look at a lot of these threads and man there are so many devices it not funny. I also still don't understand this mouth to lung, and direct to lung. I prefer to keep with something that feels like a cigarette if that makes sense.

 

[Mr. Relentless]

I always went to a vape shop and sampled some devices.

 

[kongfranon]

I always went to a vape shop and sampled some devices.

Oh they let you sample? I will have to check out my local and see if they will let me.

 

[stols001]

Some will, some won't. If you find a shop that will, it can be great information for yourself.

Remember, nic is absorbed differently than with cigarettes. The Juul has an ungodly high nic amount 50 mg/ml but is also a fairly weak delivery system. You can also refill the pods with a lower nic juice, if that is your main concern with the device.

Pods are one of the most expensive ways to vape. If you are looking for a small (although larger than pen style device) an Aspire Zelos may be a good option, it has a small, MTL tank on top with a fairly restricted draw (although likely not more so than the juul) and yes, you will have to press a button to inhale. However, if you limit yourself to pod mods, there is a section devoted to them (closed and open systems) and you could look there for ideas too. There are many refillable pod options and those tend to be more cost effective than buying prefilled pods, and it offers you more flexibility as far as nicotine level. Keep in mind a more robust pod is likely going to provide more vapor per puff, so you'd be tailoring your nicotine level accordingly and etc.

Best of luck,

Anna

 

[kongfranon]

Hi Anna,

Thanks for responding, my concerns are not with costs of getting new pods. I mean compared to buying a pack of cigarettes in NYC is $14-15, and i would buy 2-3 packs a week, juul and buying 1 pack of 4 pods which lasts me 1 - 1.5 weeks is still saving good amount of money.

I am more concerned with am I vaping too much with high nicotine level juice? I don't want to increase my nicotine addiction. I feel I am vpaing more then when I was smoking.

so was thinking of getting some sort of pen that has lower nic % juice if that makes sense.


The biggest thing I don't want to have to deal with though is hassle of refilling, and worrying about leaking, and small enough that I can bring with me easily if that makes sense.

 

[Beamslider]

A pen vape might actually be a good choice for you. Naked 100 has a line of salt Nicotine ejuice that is 35mg instead of the 50mg in the juul. A pretty good step down in nic if the pen is a pretty low vapor device. You could cut that down later or even get the same flavor Naked 100 in regular nic at 0mg, 3 mg, 6 mg or 12 mg and mix them to cut nic level

 

[bwh79]

The downside is that I feel I am using my juul way more then when I was smoking cigs.

You're 2 weeks in (congratulations!); right now, "not smoking" is more important than anything else. Once you've kicked that habit for good, then you can start worrying about reducing how much you vape.

 

[stols001]

Yes, hence my suggestions regarding how to lower your nicotine content including different TYPES of pods that are easier to fill than the juul that you have now, where you are (unless you want to really work at refilling them I understand it is possible but also something of a PITA). I directed you to the pod mod subforum so you could get a sense of what OTHER pods might meet your needs and allow you to use a lower nicotine juice.

I will say, I believe that pods (all of them) are the most expensive way to vape, and why I also suggested the idea of some different vape gear, also more customizable.

Most people chain vape when quitting. It's highly normal, it's your brain's way of tricking itself into the idea that you will get more satisfaction vaping, while you are detoxing off EVERYTHING else in tobacco that affects both your brain and body in various ways. But, chain vaping is pretty normal and if you aren't having symptoms of nic overload, you should be fine for now.

However, if you have the desire to step down your nic, there are a multitude of options available. You may find them less satisfying at first, IDK. The Juul is proprietary and I have no idea what ELSE is in them besides their whopping dose of nic salts, but they've certainly (IMHO) done SOMETHING to make that nic hit fast, and hard. I wouldn't expect the exact same experience if you purchase non-Juul juice, even just lowering your level of nic salts.

But, it is achievable, hence my giving you various suggestions. The cost thing is just a bonus, but I was really trying to explain what your various options ARE.

Anna

 

[Chasbo]

The naked vape pen with lower nic might be a viable option if you don’t want to fill pods. The naked 100 salt lava flow is my favorite store bought juice. If you dont have problem filling pods, nearly every pod system works good for at least two pod refills.

A pen vape might actually be a good choice for you. Naked 100 has a line of salt Nicotine ejuice that is 35mg instead of the 50mg in the juul. A pretty good step down in nic if the pen is a pretty low vapor device. You could cut that down later or even get the same flavor Naked 100 in regular nic at 0mg, 3 mg, 6 mg or 12 mg and mix them to cut nic level

 

[kongfranon]

Thanks everyone for suggestions, In terms of a pen, what pen do you suggest that is very easy maintenance?

For now I will stick with juul for a few more weeks to make sure I am off cigarettes, but curious what pens you would recommend?

 

[Mr. Relentless]

Oh they let you sample? I will have to check out my local and see if they will let me.

Usually if it's a full on vape shop they will or have a sample or put on a disposable mouth piece. If it's a smoke shop that also sells vapes then maybe not.

 

[Joru'us C'baoth]

https://goo.gl/5Hp7wA
For $1...
You really can't go wrong at least giving it a shot.
I have it and prefer it to the Juul or Bo.
Myblu may be distributed by big tobacco, but it's still the my. Von erl, which is a phenomenal device and unbeatable at the price.
Easy to refill. And 2.4 is far less overwhelming than 5.0 nic salts.
I didn't care for the tobacco flavor it came with, so I dumped it. Great flavor and lots of vapor for a pod system...
Downside being pods can be a bit leaky sometimes, QC needs work, lol.
But really good.

 

[dansus]

In terms of a pen, what pen do you suggest that is very easy maintenance?

Joyetech eGo AIO Eco.

Naked 100 salt range is 50/50 VG/PG, should be perfect.

 

[DawnBella]

Get the MYLE. Hands down a JUUL killer.
I love it!! A little tricking to refill unless you have a needle but I did so and zero performance loss. Just posted a review about MYLE. I have 5 or more pod systems. MYLE is the best. This video explains why and how its better then JUUL.

 

[duc916]

In terms of a pen, what pen do you suggest that is very easy maintenance?

I've been vaping 50-80W rebuildable dual-klapton coil tank systems for years, so my idea of "easy maintenance" might be totally crazy in this thread, however.... when I'm indoors at work, need a nic-fix and blowing clouds is not an option, the made in USA Kandypens Rubi does the job. It never leaks, and it's refillable by design, without having to resort to any hacks (using tweezers, pliers, etc.), and with a nice big fill port big enough for air to escape and not dribble juice all over your desk so you can do it in about 10 seconds. Why stick with just 4 or 5 flavors when there's an ocean of different ones out there you might like better? As for maintenance, there is none. It literally just works.

Maybe cost isn't a factor because you're still stoked at how much you're saving by not buying analogs. I was there once, but it wears off. You have to break down the cost per ml to appreciate just how much you're over-paying for disposables:

MYLE = $5/ml
JUUL = $5.71/ml
Quality salt nic juice (like CRFT) = $17/30ml = $0.57/ml

Rubi pods are $20 per 3-pack. You'll get about 20 refills each before the taste starts to go off. That's about 60ml (two 30ml bottles) for total cost of $20+17+17 = $54.

60ml worth of MYLE = $300. JUUL = $342.

When it's this much cheaper to go refillable, it's not even a choice.

 

[Joru'us C'baoth]

I've been vaping 50-80W rebuildable dual-klapton coil tank systems for years, so my idea of "easy maintenance" might be totally crazy in this thread, however.... when I'm indoors at work, need a nic-fix and blowing clouds is not an option, the made in USA Kandypens Rubi does the job. It never leaks, and it's refillable by design, without having to resort to any hacks (using tweezers, pliers, etc.), and with a nice big fill port big enough for air to escape and not dribble juice all over your desk so you can do it in about 10 seconds. Why stick with just 4 or 5 flavors when there's an ocean of different ones out there you might like better? As for maintenance, there is none. It literally just works.

Maybe cost isn't a factor because you're still stoked at how much you're saving by not buying analogs. I was there once, but it wears off. You have to break down the cost per ml to appreciate just how much you're over-paying for disposables:

MYLE = $5/ml
JUUL = $5.71/ml
Quality salt nic juice (like CRFT) = $17/30ml = $0.57/ml

Rubi pods are $20 per 3-pack. You'll get about 20 refills each before the taste starts to go off. That's about 60ml (two 30ml bottles) for total cost of $20+17+17 = $54.

60ml worth of MYLE = $300. JUUL = $342.

When it's this much cheaper to go refillable, it's not even a choice.

JUUL are insanely easy to refill, despite their obviously not toting that. (Gotta make that pod pack money, I suppose, lol.)
Everyone seems to forget exactly how easy it is. No real hacks involved.
That said, I find the taste to be lacking compared to other devices, so it is what it is...

 

[DawnBella]

I've been vaping 50-80W rebuildable dual-klapton coil tank systems for years, so my idea of "easy maintenance" might be totally crazy in this thread, however.... when I'm indoors at work, need a nic-fix and blowing clouds is not an option, the made in USA Kandypens Rubi does the job. It never leaks, and it's refillable by design, without having to resort to any hacks (using tweezers, pliers, etc.), and with a nice big fill port big enough for air to escape and not dribble juice all over your desk so you can do it in about 10 seconds. Why stick with just 4 or 5 flavors when there's an ocean of different ones out there you might like better? As for maintenance, there is none. It literally just works.

Maybe cost isn't a factor because you're still stoked at how much you're saving by not buying analogs. I was there once, but it wears off. You have to break down the cost per ml to appreciate just how much you're over-paying for disposables:

MYLE = $5/ml
JUUL = $5.71/ml
Quality salt nic juice (like CRFT) = $17/30ml = $0.57/ml

Rubi pods are $20 per 3-pack. You'll get about 20 refills each before the taste starts to go off. That's about 60ml (two 30ml bottles) for total cost of $20+17+17 = $54.

60ml worth of MYLE = $300. JUUL = $342.

When it's this much cheaper to go refillable, it's not even a choice.

RUBI went right into the junk bin for me. Burnt hits constantly. Pod after pod and yes, highend nic salts used and letting it sit first etc. MYLE can be refilled and zero burnt hits.

Is your MYLE math based on.$14.95 per 4 pack? Not that it matters because I refill, but that's the price I pay. My local shop sells them for $20.00. lol price gouge much?

Ps. Yes, JUUL is an easy refill, but you spend more time fiddling with air bubbles etc in order to get decent hits then you do just enjoying. A simple YouTube search will show countless videos on attempts to fix, but non are the answer. The JUUL pods have major performance issues.

 

[duc916]

RUBI went right into the junk bin for me. Burnt hits constantly. Pod after pod and yes, highend nic salts used and letting it sit first etc. MYLE can be refilled and zero burnt hits.

Sounds like you had a defective battery if multiple pods start out burnt. Hope you got your money back. These things are temp-controlled (all of them), which is meant to avoid burning the wick when it gets low on juice. If the connection or circuitry is compromised you either get burnt hits or low/no vapor. It happens. The two I got have no issues. I'm impressed that these things work with TC at all, as I gave up on using temp-control coils (Ni80, SS etc.) long ago with constant issues in my big RTA's, and went back to good old kanthal for reliability.

Is your MYLE math based on.$14.95 per 4 pack? Not that it matters because I refill, but that's the price I pay. My local shop sells them for $20.00. lol price gouge much?]

No it's from their website price of $18/4 pack.
Cubano Pod by MYLE – MYLE VAPOR

 

[dansus]

Rubi = Junk.

 

[DawnBella]

Sounds like you had a defective battery if multiple pods start out burnt. Hope you got your money back. These things are temp-controlled (all of them), which is meant to avoid burning the wick when it gets low on juice. If the connection or circuitry is compromised you either get burnt hits or low/no vapor. It happens. The two I got have no issues. I'm impressed that these things work with TC at all, as I gave up on using temp-control coils (Ni80, SS etc.) long ago with constant issues in my big RTA's, and went back to good old kanthal for reliability.


No it's from their website price of $18/4 pack.
Cubano Pod by MYLE – MYLE VAPOR

Myle Vapor | Electric Tobacconist® US

$14.95 for anyone using MYLE.

I don't know about the battery. Works as it should. I tossed the kit away in the junk drawer. Im glad it's working well for you though. Its a pretty kit. I mean looks and feels nice, but the burn is yuck. Lots of people saying the same thing about the Rubi. I was the first to review it on ECF btw