ALL VAPERS look at this pic! what do you think?
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I'm not saying 30 cloud chasers showing up uninvited to fog up a place is a smart thing to do. But that is not what causes bans. People running to the government instead of talking is what causes bans.
Why in the world would I need to talk to anyone to receive simple respect for my personal space? People these days can't be trusted to behave themselves in a civil fashion. Hence the bans. Always on and on about their rights without respecting the guy next to him.
Your rights end when they begin to infringe upon mine.
That said, the 50 ft. rule is ridiculous and won't stand but it's not nearly as ridiculous as the people thinking they should be able to vape any where they please and to hell with others.
Is that chilis ban government or their preference, even though they threw in a "fine"
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Im not tryin to justify that sign in any way. Jus sayin a couple bad apples spoil da bunch. Bet u that "fine" stopped a couple vapers from vapin in that chilis. If they can't make u stop by askin its time for scare tactics
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I am not totally sure what I think about this yet. I am a month into vaping, and was sort of excited the first time I was shopping and needed a vape... I thought, oooh I can just do this right here. So I did, and as soon as I took the device out, I immediately felt self conscious and awkward.
I did it anyway, got some looks, and a few comments eventually, from smokers who seemed to understand what I was doing, but had never seen anything other that a blu type cigaclone or some gas station disposable. I was using a Vamo V5 and a protank 2 with Boba's Bounty (100%VG) so even a small hit was still producing a cloud.
I could see myself sitting in chilli's restaurant, getting done with my steak, and pulling out a mechanical mod with a .3 ohm build blowing out sun blocking plumes and then acting like I am the victim when asked to leave or not use it. On the other hand... if I am using my ego c twist with a protank 2 and some divine cheesecake juice, I could easily do it with almost no one noticing since the vapor is less and dissipates quickly. I can also easily wait until I get outside to hit my rig. I don't want government telling me it is illegal or should be taxed like tobacco products, but I do stand by the right of a business owner to ask me not to use it. Would be nice if their asking me not to use it was based on careful research and not some knee jerk reaction to government strong arming.
"cloud chasing" while completely understandable, is also at the face of "vaping" since they are the ones trying to attract the most attention the themselves. I think when people see that, they think all sorts of things about "vaping" and some of them may not be good at all. I have already had several people confront me about "vaping" assuming I was a pot smoker and up to no good. I am not sure why they jump right to illegal activity when they see a device and a cloud....lol but some do. I have already heard some in government say that "vaping" is as addictive as crack. I know, we all understand how crazy that is, but some people buy into it. Just like back in the day when pot was made out to be a horrible horrible nightmare drug ala "...... Madness".
I believe over time things will calm down with vaping, but right now big tobacco is trying anything they can to cut this out. So legislation is going to be thrown at it like crazy. I guess it is up to US to make a stand and not back down. Some support from local, and corporate business would probably go a long way though. Imagine if Chilli's hosted a vaping night special or something.... like a poker night at other establishments? To raise awareness for quitting smoking... Then I would actually go to Chilli's! I don't go there, but would.
The fact of the matter is chillis is private property and any business can chose what to allow or not. It sucks they can't see the benifit of being part of the quitting smoking movement, but hey, their loss.
Maybe we can get some other places to start allowing it before the government tries even harder to shut us all down. The more widely accepted it is, the harder it would be to stop.
I did it anyway, got some looks, and a few comments eventually, from smokers who seemed to understand what I was doing, but had never seen anything other that a blu type cigaclone or some gas station disposable. I was using a Vamo V5 and a protank 2 with Boba's Bounty (100%VG) so even a small hit was still producing a cloud.
I could see myself sitting in chilli's restaurant, getting done with my steak, and pulling out a mechanical mod with a .3 ohm build blowing out sun blocking plumes and then acting like I am the victim when asked to leave or not use it. On the other hand... if I am using my ego c twist with a protank 2 and some divine cheesecake juice, I could easily do it with almost no one noticing since the vapor is less and dissipates quickly. I can also easily wait until I get outside to hit my rig. I don't want government telling me it is illegal or should be taxed like tobacco products, but I do stand by the right of a business owner to ask me not to use it. Would be nice if their asking me not to use it was based on careful research and not some knee jerk reaction to government strong arming.
"cloud chasing" while completely understandable, is also at the face of "vaping" since they are the ones trying to attract the most attention the themselves. I think when people see that, they think all sorts of things about "vaping" and some of them may not be good at all. I have already had several people confront me about "vaping" assuming I was a pot smoker and up to no good. I am not sure why they jump right to illegal activity when they see a device and a cloud....lol but some do. I have already heard some in government say that "vaping" is as addictive as crack. I know, we all understand how crazy that is, but some people buy into it. Just like back in the day when pot was made out to be a horrible horrible nightmare drug ala "...... Madness".
I believe over time things will calm down with vaping, but right now big tobacco is trying anything they can to cut this out. So legislation is going to be thrown at it like crazy. I guess it is up to US to make a stand and not back down. Some support from local, and corporate business would probably go a long way though. Imagine if Chilli's hosted a vaping night special or something.... like a poker night at other establishments? To raise awareness for quitting smoking... Then I would actually go to Chilli's! I don't go there, but would.
The fact of the matter is chillis is private property and any business can chose what to allow or not. It sucks they can't see the benifit of being part of the quitting smoking movement, but hey, their loss.
Maybe we can get some other places to start allowing it before the government tries even harder to shut us all down. The more widely accepted it is, the harder it would be to stop.
Taking analogs out of the subject, and just leave it with just the vaping issue.
I believe a company has the rights to have a leeway over what and how their company should be ran. They have the right to require certain dress codes, and ethic codes to match the clientele they want to attract. some things that might come into consideration are:
Shirts, shoes, smoking, vaping, skateboarding, age, Formal wear only, casual attire only, no blue jeans, etc...
Things like these have no issue on whether or not it's legal to do those things, it's whether or not they want that sort of clientele in their place of business. The company I work REQUIRES for employment: Belts, no facial hair, no excessive jewelry, no visible tattoos, no gagues, one ear ring per ear for women, no hair touching the collar for men etc. It's not unlawful to do any of these, but it's required to work there because they want to project a certain image.
Same principle applies to their customers, shirts and shoes are required to shop there. No loitering, no advertising, no pan handling, etc. It's their right to have a standard about how they want to conduct business.
It is your right to decide not to shop or do business with them as well. That is what free market is all about, and I am all for it. If I ever were to own a business, I would allow vapers in, but allow smokers only outside. It would be my right as a business owner. I may not like other people's policies, but that doesn't mean I don't think they have the right to want their own standards.
my 2 cents worth.
I believe a company has the rights to have a leeway over what and how their company should be ran. They have the right to require certain dress codes, and ethic codes to match the clientele they want to attract. some things that might come into consideration are:
Shirts, shoes, smoking, vaping, skateboarding, age, Formal wear only, casual attire only, no blue jeans, etc...
Things like these have no issue on whether or not it's legal to do those things, it's whether or not they want that sort of clientele in their place of business. The company I work REQUIRES for employment: Belts, no facial hair, no excessive jewelry, no visible tattoos, no gagues, one ear ring per ear for women, no hair touching the collar for men etc. It's not unlawful to do any of these, but it's required to work there because they want to project a certain image.
Same principle applies to their customers, shirts and shoes are required to shop there. No loitering, no advertising, no pan handling, etc. It's their right to have a standard about how they want to conduct business.
It is your right to decide not to shop or do business with them as well. That is what free market is all about, and I am all for it. If I ever were to own a business, I would allow vapers in, but allow smokers only outside. It would be my right as a business owner. I may not like other people's policies, but that doesn't mean I don't think they have the right to want their own standards.
my 2 cents worth.
im guessing cincy is Cincinnati and i go to Columbus every 2 months to visit my sister and i've vaped in every building i went to there never had anything said to me nor have i seen signs? are you sure this no vaping law isnt just a city ordinance? just want to know for future reference dont wanna vape and get a fine
Yes. Cincy is Cincinnati. I am actually in between Cincinnati and Dayton up 75. I was up in Columbus last year and vaped all the way to the entrance of The Horseshoe.
It is not a vaping law. It is the smoking law passed in 2006 or 2007. Yes I know the difference between vaping and smoking. It seems the governments are hellbent on making vaping and smoking synonymous. Since that may the case, I can see businesses trying to protect themselves. Especially if the government (state) decides to go back and fine for any infractions previously sent to them.
Say the business had 10 infractions. Government says okay you had reasonable knowledge that this is what it would be. We will fine you because of that. Add up those fines... After 5 infractions it is 2500 a pop. That isn't chump change to a small business.
From my experiences, you will not be fined if the owner asks you to stop and you do. Vaping is in limbo. You have the far sides bickering at each other. One side that thinks they can vape anywhere and anyhow they please and doesn't care about their fellow citizenry. Then you have the other side who wants to demonize anything, more or less book burners. Then you have the minority vocals like me. I vape because it is a healthier alternative to smoking. I hated being demonized because I smoked. I hate being demonized because I vape.
Until the politicians tend to their own skeletons in the closet, they need to stay the heck out of my closet.
If you go into an establishment ask them if it is okay to vape. It is only common courtesy. If they say, no. You can then make a choice to go somewhere else.
alright sweet just wanted to verify it wasn't a fine-able offense there yet. i know in philly its the same as the already in place smoking ban. personally i think a lot of private business' and stuff like that are banning it because smokers are all twisted up in there local bar and see someone vaping so they play the stupid card and light up a real cig i've seen it happen here in pittsburgh.
Poor you, run to the government.
Or maybe to keep you from having to talk to people and assure you that your personal space won't be violated with evil vapor you should lobby the government to give you a 10x10 cell.
Seems like it's Chili's. No problem from me with a restaurant making that choice.
Where have you been in Columbus. I work in a part of the city where they've not only banned smoking, but all forms of tobacco use. There's almost nowhere you can't vape around here. I mean a few large companies have a pollicy but unless you're blowing big clouds in someone's face they look the other way.
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I remember back in the Day, when I Smoked Cigarettes, when it was No Big Deal to have a Meal in a Restaurants and Not Smoke a Cigarette until I was done.
I didn't Boycott Restaurants if I couldn't Smoke Inside of them. And neither did Any of My Friends. Or Anyone I knew for that Matter.
My, How Things have Changed.
I didn't Boycott Restaurants if I couldn't Smoke Inside of them. And neither did Any of My Friends. Or Anyone I knew for that Matter.
My, How Things have Changed.
I remember back in the day there was no such thing as a restaurant you couldn't smoke in. Ashtrays on every table in McDonalds, later a stack of ashtrays.
I have been out to eat very few times since the smoking ban. Maybe if more smokers had done that the businesses would've pressured for laws to lift the ban and businesses would be free to decide what is good and bad for their own businesses.
They have a vaping kiosk in my local mall.
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Hey man I didn't even start smoking till 2010 I still protested those laws. The whole idea of government dictating what legal activity can and cannot be allowed in a private business disturbs me.
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