American Lung Association Vs. Electronic Cigarettes

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Bill Godshall

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Well Janet, the FDA's study shows exactly that, that e-cigs are safer than tobacco cigarettes. You would have to read the actual results and not the fear spreading media release they put out. Bubble gum and fruit flavours? Hmm, sounds like schnapps, should flavoured alcohol be banned as well. Fruit flavoured over the counter cold medications? They can get teens stoned and wreck their liver with over use. How do you explain the user comment after user comment that soon quit smoking traditional cigarettes after switching. My partner at work, pack and a half a day man till he got his first e-cig, in a week he finished his last pack of cigarettes and has used only an e-cig since February '09. So what he still uses e-cigs, they are pleasant, nicotine is not the evil drug those who seek to control everone crow about. There's no scientific proof e-cigarettes are bad for you either. In the years since there inception, nothing, no health complaints, nothing. Instead of murdering people, yes that is correct, by trying to ban these and force people to go back to deadly traditional cigarettes you should be jumping for joy at the possibilities these devices hold. You know the shunt, which has saved countless children and adults with hydrocephalus was invented by a plumber, not a drug company. Best regards, Pat
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Dear Janet:

Please send me the scientific evidence that proves inhaling tobacco smoke is safer for consumers than inhaling vaporized nicotine.

I’m really curious about this, you see, because I smoked for 45 years. On March 27, 2009 I switched to inhaling vaporized nicotine. I’m pretty convinced that it is because I made this switch that I’m no longer kept awake at night by the sound of my wheezing. It’s gone. I no longer cough up a nasty gob of phlegm in the morning. Now I can laugh out loud without being interrupted by a coughing fit.

I find it difficult to believe that I would be healthier if only I had continued smoking tobacco cigarettes for the past year. I no longer inhale tar, carbon monoxide, heavy metals, and particles of ash. A day's supply of liquid contains 8 nanograms of TSNAs compared to an average of 8,000 nanograms in a day's supply of cigarettes. How can tobacco smoke be safer? It just doesn’t make sense! If it doesn’t make sense, it probably isn’t true.

Several statistically valid surveys of consumers have shown that around 80% of daily users have substituted vaporized nicotine for all of their tobacco cigarettes. Those of us who have switched to vapor are experiencing exactly the same kind of health improvements enjoyed by those who used any other method to stop smoking.

Anyone who stops the practice of inhaling smoke is, by definition, a former smoker. It is dishonest to imply that becoming a former smoker is not a positive change.

The organizations you represent claim they are working to improve lung health, heart health, and prevent cancer. It is unconscionable for these organizations to be doing their utmost to block access to a tool that has already helped hundreds of thousands to become former smokers, and that could save the lives of millions more.
 

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Emails sent to Kathy Drea and Janet Williams.I still haven't gotten an acknowledgment of my emails to the ALA. The ACS says they'll give all of the info I sent them to the "appropriate person". At least they've had the courtesy to correspond.

I suppose the ALA doesn't like responding to us, I've had the same luck. I dug Kristin's article and since I wasn't able to put my entire email to the ALA in the comment section, I published the email in its entirety at Associated Content and directed people to Kristin's article.

American Lung Association Vs. the Electronic Cigarette and Other Harm Reduction Products - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

I resubmitted to the ALA and this time linked to my open Email to them in AC, see if I get a response this time.

I also sent individual emails to each of the members of Illinois health committee requesting that they seriously consider their actions in context to the general health of those that have been able to get off cigarettes by using these better alternatives such as the E Cig and snus.
 
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Dear Janet:

Please send me the scientific evidence that proves inhaling tobacco smoke is safer for consumers than inhaling vaporized nicotine.

I’m really curious about this, you see, because I smoked for 45 years. On March 27, 2009 I switched to inhaling vaporized nicotine. I’m pretty convinced that it is because I made this switch that I’m no longer kept awake at night by the sound of my wheezing. It’s gone. I no longer cough up a nasty gob of phlegm in the morning. Now I can laugh out loud without being interrupted by a coughing fit.

I find it difficult to believe that I would be healthier if only I had continued smoking tobacco cigarettes for the past year. I no longer inhale tar, carbon monoxide, heavy metals, and particles of ash. A day's supply of liquid contains 8 nanograms of TSNAs compared to an average of 8,000 nanograms in a day's supply of cigarettes. How can tobacco smoke be safer? It just doesn’t make sense! If it doesn’t make sense, it probably isn’t true.

Several statistically valid surveys of consumers have shown that around 80% of daily users have substituted vaporized nicotine for all of their tobacco cigarettes. Those of us who have switched to vapor are experiencing exactly the same kind of health improvements enjoyed by those who used any other method to stop smoking.

Anyone who stops the practice of inhaling smoke is, by definition, a former smoker. It is dishonest to imply that becoming a former smoker is not a positive change.

The organizations you represent claim they are working to improve lung health, heart health, and prevent cancer. It is unconscionable for these organizations to be doing their utmost to block access to a tool that has already helped hundreds of thousands to become former smokers, and that could save the lives of millions more.

Great letter Vocalek!! I only pray earnestly that it will not fall on completely deaf ears. It is extremely difficult in this ongoing battle to not become completely jaded and ...... off and even more difficult to not become disheartened. The lengths to which bigotry, dishonesty, self-righteousness and raw misuse of power will go to "get their way" is only surpassed, it seems, by a level of disregard for truth, willful use of propaganda and fear-mongering, and complete lack of accountability to the public at large; a level which smacks of "McCarthyism" and left unchecked will serve to further the undoing of all civil liberties.
 

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I have learned not to expect a reply when I have written a letter containing verifiable factual information. Either I receive complete silence, or I receive a form letter that does not address a single one of the points made in my communication.

Apparently, the truth hurts.
 

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I think when one sends evidence and well thought out arguments they are relegated to being an "e-cig freak" and mostly ignored. These are the type of emails needed for doctors and scientists, not anti-smoking, tunnel-vision, association ignorants.

Its kind of like trying to convince a priest from the dark ages that the Earth is round. He isn't really listening to your arguments, and they may be smiling and nodding as you explain why it's true, but he is planning on hanging you for heresy.

It seems emails of real personal accounts of how vaping helped you switch from smoking, how much better you feel, how you tried the rest and you dont understand their anti stance get the best reaction. (no really, I sailed west and ended up back in the east! Its true and no I didnt fall off the edge! It's amazing!)
 
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I think when one sends evidence and well thought out arguments they are relegated to being an "e-cig freak" and mostly ignored. These are the type of emails needed for doctors and scientists, not anti-smoking, tunnel-vision, association ignorants.

Its kind of like trying to convince a priest from the dark ages that the Earth is round. He isn't really listening to your arguments, and they may be smiling and nodding as you explain why it's true, but he is planning on hanging you for heresy.

It seems emails of real personal accounts of how vaping helped you switch from smoking, how much better you feel, how you tried the rest and you dont understand their anti stance get the best reaction. (no really, I sailed west and ended up back in the east! Its true and no I didnt fall off the edge! It's amazing!)

Great post. The only thing that I would add is that I think a good portion of the problem is that these "charities" are simply against tobacco. Period. If it's called tobacco, whether it's in a reduced harm category or not, they're against it, and they're definitely against any new types of tobacco products coming onto the market . . . tobacco is evil in their minds, and to suffer any new tobacco products, even something 99% safer than cigarettes, is a bargain with the devil, as far as they're concerned.
 

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Yep. Quitting is the only option they want to allow us.

But it doesn't stop at tobacco.

And if ecigs became approved smoking cessation devices instead, once people use them to "quit smoking," then they'll say, "Ok, now that you quit smoking, when are you going to quit vaping?" They'll see vaping as a "treatment" that should be eventually stopped when the patient is "cured."

They have their heads buried so far up their bums that they actually believe that people who use NRTs quit using them after a couple of months, when in reality, it's a chronic habit for most. They bounce between smoking and NRTs or just use the NRT until they die. Even if they manage to quit the NRT, they usually end up with another habit - overeating, gum chewing, nail biting, drinking, etc. I know very few ex-smokers who didn't replace smoking with another habit.

Remember, that 7% succcess rate is pretty much measured in 12 months. I quit smoking for 2 or 3 years once and fell right back into it. I don't think it's all that rare, either. So, how would people like me affect that success rate?

Vapers are between a rock and a hard place.

If we say, "It helped me quit smoking," then we're expected to then quit vaping soon after or we are "just replacing one bad habit with another." They don't care that it's no more dangerous than a few cups of espresso a day.

If we say it's a less hazardous "tobacco product" that we use recreationally, then the indoor ban people equate them with cigarettes and kick us to the curb. They don't care that the vapor acts and smells nothing like tobacco smoke.

We seem screwed either way. :(

My working theory is that to get vaping socially accepted is getting people to understand that it is nearly identical to the function and purpose as coffee/soda. It offers no nutritional or health benefits on it's own, but it is a reasonably safe consumable for the people who enjoy it and doesn't harm those around them. And it really is a consumable, because most people enjoy the flavor and it's largely reactive in the mouth and throat, not the lungs.

Is "smoking" really only applicable to tobacco?

This will be controversal, but I'm about ready to abandon the whole "well, it's not smoke, so I'm not smoking anymore" tactic. If you look at smoking as an action and not at what is being inhaled, I can argue that is still smoking, i.e recreationally inhaling a vaporized foriegn substance. However, just as with drinking, there is a big difference in what is being consumed. You can drink copious amounts of water or copious amounts of whiskey. With both, you are "drinking," but they have hugely different consequences and health risks to the drinker and those around him.

"Smoking" a hooka, pot, cigars, pipes and ecigs all have severely different ramifications, but it's still the ACTION of smoking.

We shouldn't be ashamed of the action of smoking. There is nothing wrong with it, if what you are smoking is not a significant risk to yourself or those around you.

It's just like eating healthier. People aren't proud they "quit eating." They are proud that they quit eating foods that were bad for them.

So, in order for others to be ok with it, we need to be OK that we are still doing the action of "smoking" and instead be proud we are smoking healthier. We didn't quit "smoking, we quit "tobacco smoking" and that is more than acceptable and the rest of the world needs to accept that that is OK, too. It's just that up until now, we didn't have anything other than a dangerous substance to smoke. The world needs to understand that just as humans have developed safer/healthier eating and safer/healthier drinking, we now have safer/healthier smoking.

Now that there is a healthier way to smoke, smoking - like eating and drinking - needs to be judged by the thing that is smoked, not the action itself.

Anyhow, that just sprouted of my brain just now, lol.
 
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Kristin, that was an outstanding post. So many ways that so many people look at the "act" which is going to be so difficult for anyone or any entity at all to put a label to. The only thing I will never do is let anyone tell me that I am still smoking. As with many, I relate smoking to any tobacco product that is burned. Every time someone takes an interest and asks me about my PV I tell them that it is "advertised" and sold as an electronic cigarette, but that it is in no way related to a cigarette. I then go into all three major components of my PV and what each one does (batt, atty and cart - 510) and show them how it works.

As has always been the case since day one, those who have never smoked a cigarette a day in their life were the most supportive and not one of them has ever asked me when or if I was going to quit vaping. However, the nastiest anti-vaping individuals have been current smokers or consumers of another tobacco product like chew/dip. Those are the ones who look at me like I'm an idiot, question when I'm going to quit vaping and treat me like I'm just plain stupid. When I first started vaping I was anxious to share my success and try and help others quit smoking but have since learned to just keep my mouth shut, enjoy vaping everywhere I go and if someone takes an interest they will ask me. I no longer go out of my way (at all) to show off my PV or show it to anyone else.

As far as I am concerned, the powers-to-be can do whatever they want with their legislation and control of e-cigs because no matter how hard we try, politics & money will ALWAYS prevail. I will live out the rest of my life vaping to my hearts content even if I have to purchase what I need on the black market or make it myself. The e-cig has prolonged my life and made what has been a bleak outlook in my future so much better in so many ways.

Again, great post with very interesting points!

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Okay Kristin, I'm glad you got that off your chest. Now forget about your thoughts and go back to vaping- it is not smoking. It should not be impacted by smoking bans. The laws were put in place because of the second hand smoke "risk", which I suppose is an issue to some extent. Just because an activity looks like something else, it shouldn't be banned on that basis. It's bad enough that the government goes into privately owned businesses and tells them how they have to handle their business in a legal activity. I can almost accept it if I could believe second hand smoke was a serious health risk rather than a stinky habit. However, banning something that probably has no risk to others is just plain wrong. So vape on,.
 

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I see what you are saying and I used to feel the same way.

As with many, I relate smoking to any tobacco product that is burned. Every time someone takes an interest and asks me about my PV I tell them that it is "advertised" and sold as an electronic cigarette, but that it is in no way related to a cigarette.
Really? In NO way related? So, the fact that you are inhaling a foriegn substance that contains nicotine is not similar to smoking at all?

Isn't that like saying margarine is in no way related to butter? ;)

Just because that is how people "relate" to smoking (as burning TOBACCO) doesn't mean it has to be that way. Maybe it's time to redefine smoking to suit OUR needs. The world is forever changing and advancing technologies. It's time for "smoking" to come into it's own as a safe recreational activity as it relates to ecigs (not tobacco).

However, the nastiest anti-vaping individuals have been current smokers or consumers of another tobacco product like chew/dip. Those are the ones who look at me like I'm an idiot, question when I'm going to quit vaping and treat me like I'm just plain stupid.

That's because they see is as an NRT. Or they look at you like a die-hard meat-eater looks at a vegetarian, lol. ;)

As far as I am concerned, the powers-to-be can do whatever they want with their legislation and control of e-cigs because no matter how hard we try, politics & money will ALWAYS prevail.

Politics are dictated by popular opinion. If the public accepts that there is a healthier way to smoke, then the politicians will follow.

Money can and will be made off ecigs - it's just a matter of time. Both Big Pharma and Big Tobacco will probably eventually jump into the market and the governments will tax them like anything else.

The only TRUE hurdle we have is public opinion.
 
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Okay Kristin, I'm glad you got that off your chest. Now forget about your thoughts and go back to vaping- it is not smoking. It should not be impacted by smoking bans. The laws were put in place because of the second hand smoke "risk", which I suppose is an issue to some extent. Just because an activity looks like something else, it shouldn't be banned on that basis. It's bad enough that the government goes into privately owned businesses and tells them how they have to handle their business in a legal activity. I can almost accept it if I could believe second hand smoke was a serious health risk rather than a stinky habit. However, banning something that probably has no risk to others is just plain wrong. So vape on,.
No, you are still thinking of TOBACCO smoking.

Is it illegal to drink a lot of water and then drive? Is it illegal to drink a lot of whiskey then drive? Are you allowed to have an open can of soda in your car? What about an open can of beer? The law doesn't apply to just "drinking and driving." It applies to drinking ALCOHOL and driving.

Smoking bans should stay as they are currently written - the majority are specifically defined to ban TOBACCO smoking, not the ACT of smoking. As long as the laws aren't rewritten to include smoking ecigs, we are legally ok to smoke indoors.
 
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Kristin -- I believe your reasoning is sound. The problem I see is that tobacco smokers/users have been so demonized and denormalized that the majority of the public believes it -- regardless of the science that proves that second-hand smoke, not to mention smokeless tobacco, is not harmful...irritating, yes, but not harmful as we have been led to believe. Our numbers must grow and I believe our campaign should focus on undoing the damage that has been done by the lies of the antis. You, JustJulie, Vicks and all the others involved with changing the IL and other bills are what we need more of! You guys rock!!
 

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Kristin,
I understand when you say that Vap'n is a healthier form of smoking and the world needs to 'get over it'.

The only difference, to me, is that we, the vaporers, need to 'get over it'! The world and the anti's and the 'ex'smokers will always be there to think they can regulate, educate, intimidate and bloviate over others and attempt to control the others into their mindset. It will never work!

As long as we, as individuals, are respectful, lawful and doing things which please us and enhance our pleasure in life, that is what is important. And let the others get over it. This world, our country, our state, our neighborhoods and indeed, even, our homes are made up of unique individuals that are not cookie cut into exact copies. We are always going to differ and that is the great strength and beauty of the human species. Someday the world, the anti's and the ex's will accept this and find joy in it. Until that day vape or do whatever makes you happier and enhances your joy and let everyone else that judges you for it take the hindmost.
 

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Kristin -- I believe your reasoning is sound. The problem I see is that tobacco smokers/users have been so demonized and denormalized that the majority of the public believes it -- regardless of the science that proves that second-hand smoke, not to mention smokeless tobacco, is not harmful...irritating, yes, but not harmful as we have been led to believe. Our numbers must grow and I believe our campaign should focus on undoing the damage that has been done by the lies of the antis. You, JustJulie, Vicks and all the others involved with changing the IL and other bills are what we need more of! You guys rock!!
Sure CJ, I don't know how old you are, but think about it.

I'm 42. When I was little, there no such thing as "low fat" anything. You could smoke in movie theaters and at your desk. People didn't wear seatbelts or helmets. Formula was considered better than breast milk. Nobody recycled. Drunk driving accidents were "unfortunate mishaps." The Russians were evil. Rape victims could have "asked for it." Vegetarians were fringe. People running for their health was a fad. Women couldn't run corporations or fight for our country. Missing children were all deemed runaways.

Attitudes CAN be changed.

(And thank you - we do what we can. Sometimes, that means thinking "outside of the box.")
 
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