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Just for clarification the issue is not "Hybrid Mechs" it is non hybrid direct to battery connection top caps and improper atomizers including those with spring loaded center pins. True hybrids are actually designed to prevent issues at the battery to atomizer contact point.

Do you have a picture of a True Hybrid?
 
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I call those pseudo hybrid mods because they are not really a true hybrid mod.

Gotcha.

Because the Reason I ask is that Most of the Shops I know, and most of the Web Sites I have seen call these a "Hybrid Cap". Or a "Hybrid Mech".

I think the Guy in Ken's Vid referred to it as a "Hybrid Top Cap" at the 1:31 mark.

Perhaps a Mis-Use of a Proper Term.
 

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On the true hybrid mods there is no 510 type connection of any kind, you can only use dedicated attys and those attys can only be used on that mod. This was the carto tank for the Zen 2 system hybrid you can see how the entire atty is screwed down into the mod and the rounded contact where a 510 connector would be on other attys

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Gotcha.

Because the Reason I ask is that Most of the Shops I know, and most of the Web Sites I have seen call these a "Hybrid Cap". Or a "Hybrid Mech".

I think the Guy in Ken's Vid referred to it as a "Hybrid Top Cap" at the 1:31 mark.

Perhaps a Mis-Use of a Proper Term.
Yeah, it's a misuse of a proper term, they are faux/pseudo hybrids in that they provide the "look" of a hybrid and direct to battery connection.

This is the center pin of a vicious ant valkyrie dripper which is a true hybrid.
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The atomizer is designed specifically to go with the mod tube. Some have been designed to be interchangeable with common thread sizes but you have to have an atomizer designed to fit on a hybrid mod in order to use the hybrid mod as there is no other top cap. So there's no chance of someone using something unsafe, like something with a springloaded center pin that would allow the 510 threads to make positive battery contact.
 

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All I know is No Matter what this type of Direct Battery to Atomizer connection is called ...

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... that it has Potential Trouble Written all over it.

And I would Never use one.
I have a 4nine clone which uses this type of top cap. I feel comfortable using it, with the atomizer that I selected that has a protruding fixed center pin. I would not suggest anyone else use one without learning which atomizers are and ARE NOT suitable for use with it.
 

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I have a 4nine clone which uses this type of top cap. I feel comfortable using it, with the atomizer that I selected that has a protruding fixed center pin. I would not suggest anyone else use one without learning which atomizers are and ARE NOT suitable for use with it.

Is there Really a performance difference by using this type of Direct Connection vs. a connection that uses a Pin?
 

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Is there Really a performance difference by using this type of Direct Connection vs. a connection that uses a Pin?
performance connection would be minimal, and not even noticeable at the resistance I vape. I like the look of my 4nine, and it's about half an inch shorter than my stingray that uses a standard 510 connection.

All I'm saying is the device is not inherently dangerous, like most things vape related, ignorance of proper use is what is dangerous.
 

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All I'm saying is the device is not inherently dangerous, like most things vape related, ignorance of proper use is what is dangerous.

I'm not sure I would Agree with this. To me, Good Design tries to take in account for the Ill-Informed User.

Kinda like the way a Regulated Mod has Reverse Battery Protection. Because you can Guarantee that there will be people who put the Battery in Backwards.

I would Never Design or Sell this kind of Direct Battery to Atomizer, "Hybrid Cap", connection. If for Nothing Else, the Product Liability Aspects.
 

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I'm not sure I would Agree with this. To me, Good Design tries to take in account for the Ill-Informed User.

Kinda like the way a Regulated Mod has Reverse Battery Protection. Because you can Guarantee that there will be people who put the Battery in Backwards.

I would Never Design or Sell this kind of Direct Battery to Atomizer, "Hybrid Cap", connection. If for Nothing Else, the Product Liability Aspects.
The same could be said for a regulated mod with onboard charging that uses a standard micro usb charging connection. Due to the plethora of charging cables available, and ill-informed users that think one cable/charger is just as good as another, all regulated mods should use proprietary charging cables. Since improper charging seems to be a real issue with regulated mods, I gather most are not using proprietary chargers.
 

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The same could be said for a regulated mod with onboard charging that uses a standard micro usb charging connection. Due to the plethora of charging cables available, and ill-informed users that think one cable/charger is just as good as another, all regulated mods should use proprietary charging cables. Since improper charging seems to be a real issue with regulated mods, I gather most are not using proprietary chargers.

Not seeing such a Problem with the USB Cables as I have seen with the Onboard Charges themselves.

And yes. It is a Piss Poor Design to make a Rechargeable Mod, or a Mod that can Charge a standalone internal battery, that Catches on Fire if the User uses their Cell Phone wall wart to power their Mod's USB Charger.
 

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You have to admit though, before this type of "hybrid" cap came into play on mech mods (not to mention super subΩing) you did not hear about mech mods exploding... because they were not and mechs have been around and in use for a long (vaping world) time
 

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You have to admit though, before this type of "hybrid" cap came into play on mech mods (not to mention super subΩing) you did not hear about mech mods exploding... because they were not and mechs have been around and in use for a long (vaping world) time

I think these "Hybrid" Caps are a Disaster waiting to happen. And if Sellers Refused to Sell them, I wouldn't shed any Tears over it.

I don't know what the cause of this Latest Mod blowing up was. Maybe a Hybrid Cap was involved? Maybe the Dude was running a 0.15 Ohm Ni200 Coil with a Battery he savaged from a Laptop Batter Pack?

I Dunno?

I just know it Doesn't Help Us to get this kind of Press. When the Media could be Reporting that 100,000 People quit Smoking last year using Mods that Didn't Blow Up.
 

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You have to admit though, before this type of "hybrid" cap came into play on mech mods (not to mention super subΩing) you did not hear about mech mods exploding... because they were not and mechs have been around and in use for a long (vaping world) time
I don't know, there has been talk about mech mods having the potential to blow up, and needing proper venting, for as long as I've been vaping, and that was before the faux hybrids came on the scene.
 
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