It's the carrier in many medicines.
Propylene Glycol (Inactive Ingredient) - Drugs.com
It's not "an antifreeze"
It's properties make it resistant to freezing of itself, but that doesn't make it anti freeze.
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It's the carrier in many medicines.
Propylene Glycol (Inactive Ingredient) - Drugs.com
It's not "an antifreeze"
It's properties make it resistant to freezing of itself, but that doesn't make it anti freeze.
Yes PG is an ingredient in antifreeze. So is water. PG is what replaced the poisonous ingredient that used to be in antifreeze. PG is found nearly everywhere, especially in anything related to "gel". From hair gel, to gel style deodorants, to cake decorating gel (that you eat), as well as other foods.
I didn't say it wasn't an ingredient - I said it wasn't "antifreeze" there aren't big jugs of PG that people dump in your car.
My post was inspired by your, not a response to it, that is why I didn't quote you.
That is my canned reply for people talking about PG and antifreeze, to be used as ammo against imbeciles.
My post was inspired by your, not a response to it, that is why I didn't quote you.
PG is in oral and inhaled medications, my son uses them everyday (Inhalers, breathing treatments, glycolax, etc.). Some also use PG to make non-toxic glue, you know the kinds some kids love to eat, lol.
All I can say is if PG and VG are so dangerous, then we need to sue the agencies that have allowed them in candy, food, medicine, skin care, IV's and so on. There should be criminal charges against many in the government as well as private sector, for conspiracy to knowingly mass poison people or .........
Realize that many of those making claims, actually have no clue what they are talking about. They are not using fact based research to protect anyone, they are using fear mongering to help pass taxes and enact senseless laws.
All I can say is if PG and VG are so dangerous, then we need to sue the agencies that have allowed them in candy, food, medicine, skin care, IV's and so on. There should be criminal charges against many in the government as well as private sector, for conspiracy to knowingly mass poison people or .........
Realize that many of those making claims, actually have no clue what they are talking about. They are not using fact based research to protect anyone, they are using fear mongering to help pass taxes and enact senseless laws.
Post more of it! LOL. The only arguments I enjoy these days on facebook are vicarious. Even *I* cannot tolerate so much argument. It would be okay.... If it wasn't someone you know and care about leading to a train wreck of mutual destruction. I once lost a transgender pal by innocently posting thoughts about what it might be like to be bisexual, and a lot of them were perfectly positive, like more choice, etc.
Apparently my "bisexual" musings were deeply, deeply wrong. Despite an actual bisexual friend noting she had had several of the same thoughts. I got harried, and then attacked by this large group of transgender folks. It became my experience that, transitioning or not (I can't imagine what dosing yourself with those hormones must be like) transgender folks tend to be highly activist. I have never heard MORE noise out of a SMALLER group of disenfranchised folks. If they even are.... transgender folks have been "passing" in bathrooms for as long as I can remember.... Really, the "big deal" made just served (in my eyes) to cause chaos and hatred on all sides...
But, I do enjoy WATCHING a good argument, and this one is good. LOL.
Anna
Apparently my "bisexual" musings were deeply, deeply wrong. Despite an actual bisexual friend noting she had had several of the same thoughts. I got harried, and then attacked by this large group of transgender folks. It became my experience that, transitioning or not (I can't imagine what dosing yourself with those hormones must be like) transgender folks tend to be highly activist. I have never heard MORE noise out of a SMALLER group of disenfranchised folks. If they even are.... transgender folks have been "passing" in bathrooms for as long as I can remember.... Really, the "big deal" made just served (in my eyes) to cause chaos and hatred on all sides...
But, I do enjoy WATCHING a good argument, and this one is good. LOL.
Anna
Maybe I should finally give in and make a FB account, then become an anti-vaping troll. Those vapers seem easy to b8
Yes it does. Things that stop something from freezing are a antifreeze. Alcohol is an antifreeze. PG is used in ice cream to keep it soft. The anti-freeze that is toxic is Ethylene glycol. Propylene glycol is used as a antifreeze around food processing
That is because its not as good as ethylene glycol. PG is used as a antifreeze when ingestion is a possibility. One is safe the other will kill you.
History lesson:
A generation ago antifreeze contained toxic ethylene glycol. Dogs and cats would drink it in the parking lot and then die. Mean neighbors would inject meat with it and feed it to your dog if they hated you. Hey, I wonder what's wrong with Spot?
Someone got the bright idea to replace the ethylene glycol in commercial antifreeze with propylene glycol. Still works as an antifreeze and doesn't kill dogs and cats. Win win.
So, yes, antifreeze and propylene glycol is one and the same.
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@ricks, hook that sister up with some polyethylene glycol. It will correct a certain type of (ahem) retentiveness.
She'll feel better in the morning.
She'll feel better in the morning.
History lesson:
A generation ago antifreeze contained toxic ethylene glycol. Dogs and cats would drink it in the parking lot and then die. Mean neighbors would inject meat with it and feed it to your dog if they hated you. Hey, I wonder what's wrong with Spot?
Someone got the bright idea to replace the ethylene glycol in commercial antifreeze with propylene glycol. Still works as an antifreeze and doesn't kill dogs and cats. Win win.
So, yes, antifreeze and propylene glycol is one and the same.
Yes, I understand it's a safe ingredient in antifreeze. .
But you'll have to forgive me if I'm unwilling and very much against running around forums and telling people who don't vape and don't know about vaping that I vape antifreeze.
You people can all you like and the rest of us will deal with the fall out from that level of idiocy.
It can act as a preservative too and I don't tell people I'm vaping preservatives.
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Antifreeze
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Ethylene glycol
Ethylene glycol solutions became available in 1926 and were marketed as "permanent antifreeze" since the higher boiling points provided advantages for summertime use as well as during cold weather. They are used today for a variety of applications, including automobiles, but gradually being replaced by propylene glycol due to its lower toxicity.
Propylene glycol
Propylene glycol is considerably less toxic than ethylene glycol and may be labeled as "non-toxic antifreeze". It is used as antifreeze where ethylene glycol would be inappropriate, such as in food-processing systems or in water pipes in homes where incidental ingestion may be possible. For example, the FDA allows propylene glycol to be added to a large number of processed foods, including ice cream, frozen custard, salad dressings, and baked goods, and it is commonly used as the main ingredient in the "e-liquid" used in electronic cigarettes."
Two different substances, not one and the same thing. Propylene glycol is Non-Toxic Antifreeze.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Ethylene glycol
Ethylene glycol solutions became available in 1926 and were marketed as "permanent antifreeze" since the higher boiling points provided advantages for summertime use as well as during cold weather. They are used today for a variety of applications, including automobiles, but gradually being replaced by propylene glycol due to its lower toxicity.
Poisoning
Main article: Ethylene glycol poisoning
Ethylene glycol is poisonous to humans and other animals,[4][5] and should be handled carefully and disposed of properly. Its sweet taste can lead to accidental ingestion or allow its deliberate use as a murder weapon.[6][7][8] Ethylene glycol is difficult to detect in the body, and causes symptoms—including intoxication, severe ........, and vomiting—that can be confused with other illnesses or diseases.[4][8] Its metabolism produces calcium oxalate, which crystallizes in the brain, heart, lungs, and kidneys, damaging them; depending on the level of exposure, accumulation of the poison in the body can last weeks or months before causing death, but death by acute kidney failure can result within 72 hours if the individual does not receive appropriate medical treatment for the poisoning.[4] Some ethylene glycol antifreeze mixtures contain an embittering agent, such as denatonium, to discourage accidental or deliberate consumption.
Main article: Ethylene glycol poisoning
Ethylene glycol is poisonous to humans and other animals,[4][5] and should be handled carefully and disposed of properly. Its sweet taste can lead to accidental ingestion or allow its deliberate use as a murder weapon.[6][7][8] Ethylene glycol is difficult to detect in the body, and causes symptoms—including intoxication, severe ........, and vomiting—that can be confused with other illnesses or diseases.[4][8] Its metabolism produces calcium oxalate, which crystallizes in the brain, heart, lungs, and kidneys, damaging them; depending on the level of exposure, accumulation of the poison in the body can last weeks or months before causing death, but death by acute kidney failure can result within 72 hours if the individual does not receive appropriate medical treatment for the poisoning.[4] Some ethylene glycol antifreeze mixtures contain an embittering agent, such as denatonium, to discourage accidental or deliberate consumption.
Propylene glycol
Propylene glycol is considerably less toxic than ethylene glycol and may be labeled as "non-toxic antifreeze". It is used as antifreeze where ethylene glycol would be inappropriate, such as in food-processing systems or in water pipes in homes where incidental ingestion may be possible. For example, the FDA allows propylene glycol to be added to a large number of processed foods, including ice cream, frozen custard, salad dressings, and baked goods, and it is commonly used as the main ingredient in the "e-liquid" used in electronic cigarettes."
Two different substances, not one and the same thing. Propylene glycol is Non-Toxic Antifreeze.
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What is something?
It depends on how we use it. Is a fork a lockpick? Is pepper spray an ingredient in my hot sauce? Is a knife a can opener?
Then next: do we go into a car accessories section, buy antifreeze and use that to mix our juice? Why not?
And: can you just mix water and PG to use it in your car? If you think the answer is yes then don't come crying to me later...
So in conclusion: propylene glycol is a major ingredient in antifreeze just as much as it is an ingredient in multiple other things, cosmetics, medicines, foods and our liquid. It's pointless to claim it's just one of those things.
Propylene glycol is propylene glycol and it can be used in different ways.
It depends on how we use it. Is a fork a lockpick? Is pepper spray an ingredient in my hot sauce? Is a knife a can opener?
Then next: do we go into a car accessories section, buy antifreeze and use that to mix our juice? Why not?
And: can you just mix water and PG to use it in your car? If you think the answer is yes then don't come crying to me later...
So in conclusion: propylene glycol is a major ingredient in antifreeze just as much as it is an ingredient in multiple other things, cosmetics, medicines, foods and our liquid. It's pointless to claim it's just one of those things.
Propylene glycol is propylene glycol and it can be used in different ways.
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