didn't you tell the ECF that you read and understand (and would continue to stay current) all the rules as a condition of your membership? i know i had to agree to that as a condition of my membership.
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didn't you tell the ECF that you read and understand (and would continue to stay current) all the rules as a condition of your membership? i know i had to agree to that as a condition of my membership.
Relax Rick- No one is against you here- we're all just trying to get to the truth that's all!!
You know, about the rules and all- sure I agreed, so did everyone else but...you know, one's mind doesn't remember everything...staying current- that could be endless.... We all do our best...we try to be ethical for sure....if that's what you meant. When I joined, I don't recall that entire list...it's added up since 12/10...when I joined and the do not tell you to go back and re-read all the additions or you're terminated. I'm just not that rule bound. Like I said, I try to do my best and be ethical. I like a good argument- I want to be enlightened!
You know, about the rules and all- sure I agreed, so did everyone else but...you know, one's mind doesn't remember everything...staying current- that could be endless.... We all do our best...we try to be ethical for sure....if that's what you meant. When I joined, I don't recall that entire list...it's added up since 12/10...when I joined and the do not tell you to go back and re-read all the additions or you're terminated. I'm just not that rule bound. Like I said, I try to do my best and be ethical. I like a good argument- I want to be enlightened!
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*meditates* oooooohhhhhmmmmmm...oooooohhhhhmmmmmm
What I said to assplode this previously ancient thread was at 1:50 pm, central time:
posts #25, #30
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-no-nicotine-hiring-policy-3.html#post6167655
My heart has gone to DANGER levels SO many times tonight that I feel like I'm in a cardiac stress test.
What I said to assplode this previously ancient thread was at 1:50 pm, central time:
posts #25, #30
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-no-nicotine-hiring-policy-3.html#post6167655
My heart has gone to DANGER levels SO many times tonight that I feel like I'm in a cardiac stress test.
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Yep- the "if you use nicotine, we won't hire you" policies.
I posted about a big health care or health oriented company in my area that does that- there are several.
Like I said, they are out there- more common than you think. And they do nicotine tests at hire at least...and typically either do tests afterwards at random (like drug tests) or if they suspect that you're using.
Fired instantly (in some cases) or severely reprimanded if you test positive.
Anyone know of other companies that are doing this?
I posted about a big health care or health oriented company in my area that does that- there are several.
Like I said, they are out there- more common than you think. And they do nicotine tests at hire at least...and typically either do tests afterwards at random (like drug tests) or if they suspect that you're using.
Fired instantly (in some cases) or severely reprimanded if you test positive.
Anyone know of other companies that are doing this?
and there's really no other way to check for tobacco use (insurance risk) other than testing for nicotine.
THAT'S IT...FINALLY!!! SOMEBODY GETS ME!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
PS - You COULD vape 0-nic e-sauce if it comes down to the love of vaping, but I know of no 0-nic cigarettes.
The only nicotine-related increased health insurance risk that has ever been verified scientifically is smoking. Even modern, Western smokeless tobacco does not cause illness or premature death. Certainly no diseases have ever been linked to use of NRTs (pharmaceutical nicotine products). So there is no justification to use nicotine testing to deny employment. People who do NOT smoke and therefore do NOT increase health costs are being denied employement unfairly.
There is a definitive test that separates smokers from users of less hazardous souces of nicotine: It's called the exhaled carbon monoxide test (also called "eCO"). I saw several devices being demonstrated at the last SRNT conference (Society for Research on Nicotine and Tobacco.) I was told that they don't cost any more to administer than the cotinine tests that are being used to detect nicotine use.
There is a definitive test that separates smokers from users of less hazardous souces of nicotine: It's called the exhaled carbon monoxide test (also called "eCO"). I saw several devices being demonstrated at the last SRNT conference (Society for Research on Nicotine and Tobacco.) I was told that they don't cost any more to administer than the cotinine tests that are being used to detect nicotine use.
But nobody is going to go through with the extra step to NOT hire you (post #55)...blood or urine analysis is just as damning, unless you fight it by having a more definitive test done on your own dime...THEN you got something to work with (pun intended), right?
The only problem with CO tests is that they decrease the pool of subscribers that they could surcharge. It would also encourage smokers to find another tobacco source which would endanger the war on tobacco.
...like Dave said...
(hope you don't mind me quoting you solely for my argument's sake, Dave - LOL)
PS- God..would you just LOOK at the post count on this "dead" thread? Wow. Just...wow!
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One COULD conclude, from the sheer number of MY posts ALONE today, that I have absolutely NOTHING better to do with my life lately...and they would be right. heh heh heh
I am a prime example of this crap. Had a 75K a year job. From my hire date till the day I was let go profit was up 19%
Was let go because of something I did when I was 17 years old(27 now)... Cause I am a felon the very best I can do is 40k as a Rodbuster foreman
That sucks...but it is totally commonplace now. I feel bad for you, man, and I do feel your pain...believe me. It's like they're just looking for a way out of paying a decent wage these days (which is REALLY what this whole post is about, IMO). I hope things get better soon for you.
PS - I know it's expensive, but since it happened when you were a minor, is expungement an option? PM me if you don't wanna go public with this now.
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