Anybody else get this blow-off response from the White House regarding the petition we all signed?
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Yep.... utter BS. Don't send me an email about the dangers of tobacco. vaping is not tobacco @@. As for "The Great American Smokeout"... ummmm.... I quit in August. I don't smoke ANYMORE @@ Duh.....that's why the petition was about vaping@@
I absolutely refuse to give up hope. And now I must leave this thread before I roll my eyes right out of my head!
I absolutely refuse to give up hope. And now I must leave this thread before I roll my eyes right out of my head!
In politics - you don't fight fire with fire. You fight fire with hot topic leverage.
This is exactly why organizations like the CASAA are important, but need a separate industry trade group. There has to be a trade group - they have to hire lobbyists - they have to get the ear of members of the media. If those in this trade don't protect this trade, it will be gone sooner than later.
Here is the question that should be asked to get the medias attention and to make it a big deal right now as we enter an election year with a weak economy and high unemployment: How many jobs will the FDA cost if they get their way on e-cigs? Several sources say that something close to 4 million people in the US have tried e-cigs. I've never seen any numbers relating to how many people are constant e-cig users and only a few guesses as to how many users there might be in the future. -- Direct employment (vendors, employees of vendors, manufacturers, mall kiosks etc etc) and indirect employment (how many man hours by the USPS, customs, shipping handlers at the ports, UPS, advertizing agencies, landlords, web hosts, etc etc etc) numbers are necessary. -- When we can write to our congressman and say that 50,000 jobs will be lost - or 100,000 jobs will be lost, or half a million man hours or whatever indirect employment estimates would be, then the game changes. When the press hears that 500 people in Chicago (or wherever) are about to lose their livelihood and 100 people in Denver and 100 people in North Carolina.... Without a trade group, getting hard numbers is difficult if not impossible.
I strongly encourage all who make their living in this trade to organize a trade group and hire a couple of statisticians, some lobbyists, and a press liaison.
This is exactly why organizations like the CASAA are important, but need a separate industry trade group. There has to be a trade group - they have to hire lobbyists - they have to get the ear of members of the media. If those in this trade don't protect this trade, it will be gone sooner than later.
Here is the question that should be asked to get the medias attention and to make it a big deal right now as we enter an election year with a weak economy and high unemployment: How many jobs will the FDA cost if they get their way on e-cigs? Several sources say that something close to 4 million people in the US have tried e-cigs. I've never seen any numbers relating to how many people are constant e-cig users and only a few guesses as to how many users there might be in the future. -- Direct employment (vendors, employees of vendors, manufacturers, mall kiosks etc etc) and indirect employment (how many man hours by the USPS, customs, shipping handlers at the ports, UPS, advertizing agencies, landlords, web hosts, etc etc etc) numbers are necessary. -- When we can write to our congressman and say that 50,000 jobs will be lost - or 100,000 jobs will be lost, or half a million man hours or whatever indirect employment estimates would be, then the game changes. When the press hears that 500 people in Chicago (or wherever) are about to lose their livelihood and 100 people in Denver and 100 people in North Carolina.... Without a trade group, getting hard numbers is difficult if not impossible.
I strongly encourage all who make their living in this trade to organize a trade group and hire a couple of statisticians, some lobbyists, and a press liaison.
Yeah, that response was an insult, I quit smoking almost a year ago and they want to inform me of the dangers of tobacco? I expect nothing less from our pathetic government, they just want to be able to tax the crap out of it and stuff their pockets full of our money. They can act like they don't like tobacco products, but they sure do like the revenue it produces.
It's just more of the same old bs.
"We don't give a sheet about ecigs and we don't you using them
so we will ban everything having to do with them for your own good since there isn't one iota of evidence stating they are less harmful than real cigarettes.". Love how they keep repeating that second hand crapola too and the alleged numbers dying from second hand smoke.
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"We don't give a sheet about ecigs and we don't you using them
so we will ban everything having to do with them for your own good since there isn't one iota of evidence stating they are less harmful than real cigarettes.". Love how they keep repeating that second hand crapola too and the alleged numbers dying from second hand smoke.
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.......nit.
if health stat's don't work, maybe jobs will. x2 with the lobbyist's.
if health stat's don't work, maybe jobs will. x2 with the lobbyist's.
You may have a point. The govt. is supposedly trying to improve the economy and the number of e-cig vendors do improve on the number of small businesses that are succeeding right now.
It boggles my mind at the stupidity that is behind this response.
Nice spelling of ingreNdients to start off the response. But the first sentence makes no sense. Saying that e-cig may contain ingredients that are toxic, followed by an example...of the potential for kids to switch to regular cigarettes? Seriously? This was either written by a standard writer, and obviously poorly written at that, or by someone who has it out for e-cigs and is grasping for straws.
Nice spelling of ingreNdients to start off the response. But the first sentence makes no sense. Saying that e-cig may contain ingredients that are toxic, followed by an example...of the potential for kids to switch to regular cigarettes? Seriously? This was either written by a standard writer, and obviously poorly written at that, or by someone who has it out for e-cigs and is grasping for straws.
I think if everyone on the forum gave $1, we could get the lab tests done. I would give the first buck
didn't they do that with the IVAQS Project what ever happened with that anyway?
response from the White House
That's exactly what I got! Imagine that.
I think I puked a little there...
"That's a nice petition you all sent in, and we even read the first line or two, but E-Cigs contain nicotine, and nicotine is in cigarettes, and cigarettes are bad. You should quit smoking and you hate children!"
I'm so tired of this "Think of the children!" Nanny state bull. If something is for adults and still manages to remain enjoyable, then obviously it's evil and should be destroyed. Whatever happened to having parents?
"That's a nice petition you all sent in, and we even read the first line or two, but E-Cigs contain nicotine, and nicotine is in cigarettes, and cigarettes are bad. You should quit smoking and you hate children!"
I'm so tired of this "Think of the children!" Nanny state bull. If something is for adults and still manages to remain enjoyable, then obviously it's evil and should be destroyed. Whatever happened to having parents?
Did anyone honestly think that anything would come from this petition? The government doesn't care about "we the people" the government cares about the people lining their pockets. Honestly they would probably prefer we all smoke anyway because of all the money they make from tobacco taxes. Big tobacco and big pharmacy make the government tons of money and vaping does not. All the proposed bans will do is position vaping for big tobacco to take over the industry. Because then they can tax the hell out of it and still get their pay-offs.
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