anyone else have shortness of breath?

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curiousJan

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Effexor and valium and celexa uhhhh none of these things work because that is not my problem. I have seasonal allergy asthma so benedryl allergy meds help not psych drugs.

The only benzo you listed is valium, afaik. The other 2 will take _weeks_ to reach therapeutic levels in your system.

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ETA: Neither Celexa or Effexor is an MAOI, they're SSRIs ... but still take weeks to take affect.

ETAA: You might try something stronger than Bendadryl ... Allegra works for me (as I also get hives occasionally) as I have the same allergy triggered "asthma". I quote that because I passed their challenge test so they didn't diagnose me as asthmatic; I'm 'reactive airway' due to allergens.
 
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I took those drugs for many months each several years ago and decided I would not be taking those type of things ever again. I am not depressed, anxious, or crazy. This SOB problem now is almost same as back then and those kind of drugs will not work for seasonal stuff, the difference now is I am coughing up some clear VG like stuff up and it is hard to cough up when I do. This all started when I bought a minty 70/30 blend I stopped using it weeks ago and still cannot breathe right. I have always vaped 70/30 Viking vapor was my first supplier and their mix is 70/30 so I liked the consistency and have always ordered that same ratio. I said before this SOB could be from a build-up of VG over the last year or the mint I was using I was also using a creme dementhe flavor and have stopped all vaping. I'd love to keep vaping but I think I might have to do it without peppermint. I may try menthol in the future and see if that works. I really love my new Bloog and am going to keep trying I just need to patient and figure out what the SOB problem is.
 

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Mine too axl, really not what i wanted but it is actually a sign that you are healing. When we smoke it paralyzes the lung tissue. After we quit it starts to react to things again. @flbutterfly I understand the boycott, I won't take MAOI's either. I take xanax if I get a bad one going but I otherwise deal with it.

I think the mint issue needs to be addressed. I hate to suggest it, but try to go a week on flavorless pg then vg and see if there is a marked improvement or decrease. I have head horror stories about cinnamon and mint flavors ( not menthol mind you ) and it might have to do with the use of an oil based flavoring. Please keep in mind this is speculation at this point, but I know that inhalation of oils is a bad thing all around.
 

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So far, I have found a list of IV drugs containing PG, Nature Clinical Practice Nephrology | Table.2 : Acute kidney injury, hyperosmolality and metabolic acidosis associated with lorazepam

And still working on the inhaled ones. LOL, I did find out it is used in Cigarettes, lol, does that work for ya? LOL, I can't imagine how it's properties are changed when it's combusted.


Could you please provide confirmation on this? I have heard it stated repeatedly but I have been unable to find any of the respiratory inhalers or nebulizer solution that have PG in them. Some may have in the past, but there also used to be asbestos in all sorts of things until it was determined that it was not particularly healthy. Injectables and oral meds are a totally different thing as there is a big difference between inhaled and ingested and injected. So if you could please point me to one pharmaceutical that uses PG in its inhaled or nebulized form, I would be interested in reading that. Thanks in advance!

PS: And for the record, a nebulizer is a little bit different in that it "shatters" the liquid into a fine mist rather than heat it to steamishness.
 
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I came looking for just this issue. Moved into some VG from straight PG since I started two years ago and am suddenly very short of breath. I realize it may be the season, but couldn't help but notice the timing of the addition of some VG. I must be pretty sensitive. That will teach me to mess with a good thing.
 

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I use only straight VG, and i only notice the problem with certain juices. for instance, Halo freedom, i cant vape in the morning, i cough. but i can vape english toffee in the morning, weird huh? I still think they are safer than cigarettes, but we have to remember that were still inhaling foreign stuff into our lungs, and some people will be more sensitive than others. and as the electronic cigarette is fairly new, we dont really know what its doing to our lungs for the long term. we'll see how were all feeling 20 years from now.....
 

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I know that having shortness of breath at three months in was more than enough to make me put them down. It hasn't improved since I quit them over a year ago, but I can't say that it has gotten any worse either.
I'm a bit disheartened that you've gotten no better after a year. I had some shortness of breath related to smoking but it was work-aroundable. Switched to vaping and in two weeks felt great. About a month after that, switched to a different juice vendor and started deteriorating almost immediately. In hindsight, I know now they use some of the more damaging chemicals. I tried switching PG/VG ratios, avoiding certain flavors, limiting flavor concentrations, etc., but the shortness of breath continued to worsen. In February, six months cigarette free, I gave up vaping, too, but am now what they refer to as a pulmonary cripple and my physician is recommending disability, a conversation that had never come up or appeared necessary in the 35 years I smoked, but within 6 months of vaping I received a handicapped placard and within a year will be on oxygen and a full disability.

It could be mere coincidence. However, with the rapid deterioration in function from a place of stable function, I believe it is related to vaping- whether vaping itself or the particular flavors/brands/ratios. I cannot prove that vaping caused it, any more than anyone can prove it didn't. But it is possible that some of us may be the canaries in the mine shaft, and the symptoms some of us are showing with early use may end up showing over a wider group after a couple more years. I can only hope that despite Axl's experience that the respiratory problems to eventually repair themselves from this latest insult.
 

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Simplesins, I am sorry to hear that! Do you know specifically what your pulmonary problem is?
Around 4 years ago as part of a routine physical as a smoker they ordered a CT scan and pulmonary function studies which showed signs of early COPD. In the interim, I have lost my insurance so I have somewhat tied my physician's hands in the sense that I can't afford to do any studies; $125 an office visit and $400/month on meds is pushing it. Because of the lack of studies, they cannot really give a specific answer, and are consequently saying that they assume that it is based on the COPD, although they do acknowledge that there are anomalies- my oxygen saturations are actually not too bad considering (96% at rest, 92% with exercise) and the lungs sound clear; although the sounds are somewhat reduced, there are no rales, crackles, wheezing, etc. In addition, the traditional meds which woulda/shoulda helped COPD, like Spiriva, Symbicort, steroids, etc., have been relatively ineffective. I am hoping that within about six weeks I should have insurance coverage again, and my physician is chomping at the bit to run some tests, although I may haul myself to Des Moines or other big city in the hopes of finding a pulmonologist or someone who may be familiar with ecigs and the chemicals therein; all my current doc knows about them is what I have told her.
 

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Well, thank you for posting that info, butterfly. My favorite flavor of Candy Cane must certainly have peppermint in it, a minty flavor in itself. I've been using the menthol with a little VG in it since Saturday night, and actually feel a little tiny bit better but not enough to make any judgements about. As far as the VG or PG issue goes, I've never been able to tell a difference in those either. The SOB issue overshadowed any outcome I could have from changing to one or the other. I'd like to hear from some people who found that one or the other helped with their SOB problems. I have the supplies to make my own juices, such as the PG, VG, and both of them with Nicotine as well. Then I have a few flavorings and can always get some more. I just can't stand this not being able to get from my car to the bldg. at work without stopping. I have to carry a tool bag, and it is almost impossible. I'm used to having lots of energy and moving fast, and I've not been able to do that for a while. I miss the days when I first started vaping, and I felt better from not smoking cigarettes, and had not yet developed any side effects from vaping.


As a side note, I have been taking an antibiotic for skin acne that developed when I started vaping. I took it for about 5 months, and ran out for about 6 weeks, and the acne returned promptly. Trying to play catch up now, taking it again and skin is clearing up. That side effect I can live with. A small break in antibiotic use is probably not bad. THis one is designed just for the skin, is costly at $120.00 per month, but the maker has a coupon making it $25 a month. I'll gladly pay that for being able to vape and not break out, but the SOB issue is probably going to be a deal-breaker if it doesn't improve. Sounds like you are having the same feelings, no?


As I said, I wanted to post an update on changing my flavors and if it helped my shortness of breath. Well, it has helped. But not enough yet for me to be satisfied. But it has helped enough to make me continue on that route to see if it gets even better. I have seen enough improvement in the past 10 days or so to make me believe my flavor choices has something to do with my SOB. As a test, I put some of the "bad" flavor in a carto, puffed on it one time, and almost choked to death. My heart was racing immediately, I couldn't catch my breath, and had to grab the inhaler. I will be very sad to leave that flavor behind, but I want to breath more. I really want to feel as good as I did the first 30 days after quitting cigarettes and beginning vaping. But we'll see. I am using a WOW flavor, which has a little VG in it, I don't think too much, probably no more than 15% judging by the vapor production. I also switched cartos to a brand that really is great for vapor production, by smokelessimage.

Before I switched flavors, I was using the Candy Cane, all organic blend, with about 40-50% VG content. I think that may have also been a problem. I would love to feel better enough to be able to enjoy the occasional carto full of the Candy Cane flavor, once in a while, but it is going to be a long time till that happens, as far as I can tell. I would say switching flavors has made me feel 15% better than if I had not, as far as breathing goes. It will be interesting to see how it progresses over the next week or so, if it continues to improve or stays at the same level. If it doesn't get better even more than right now, I will consider switching to an all PG version, which I have some of in this current menthol I'm using, but I don't really love it like I used to. So I'll be hunting more. Maybe adding some straight unflavored PG to this formula. We'll see. I know I'm what I would consider a heavy vaper, using about 20mls a week so far. Don't know if that's high or not, but I think it is. I got this 30ml bottle last weekend, on Friday or Saturday, at 24mg nic, and it's two-thirds gone already.

Oh, and as a disclaimer, so those of you who don't want to hear any of this will feel better: I am not diagnosing, criminalizing, or otherwise drawing any conclusions regarding vaping or e-cigarettes. I am performing an experiment on my own body with my own vaping devices and juices. I am hoping by narrowing down my problem one step at a time, I will be able to continue to vape and not be tempted to go back to cigarettes full-time. When I smoked cigarettes, I didn't have this SOB problem constantly, and it wasn't disabling, as this problem has become for me. I'm only drawing conclusions for MYSELF, and reporting here for those of you to read if you so desire. You don't have to agree with my body's reactions to my experiment.
 
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Just the opposite for me. I already had COPD before I started vaping and had a hard time going up a flight of stairs without stopping for extra breath. I have been vaping 18 months and my breathing is 100% better. A few weeks ago I was running up and down the driveway teaching my gradnson how to ride a bike. I no longer have to use my recovery inhaler at all and no longer cough or wheeze all the time. It has been a remarkable improvement for me health wise.
 

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I've been following this string and I'd like to encourage everyone to continue to post updates.
I switched to 50/50 VG and pure VG about a month and a half ago thinking it would be easier on my throat.
Shortness of breath issues made me search, finding this message string. I've been using my asthma inhaler daily.
I did talk to my MD and thought it was the allergy season doing it, but???
Anyway, I switched to pure PG on Sunday and yesterday was my first day without having to hit the inhaler in weeks.
I'm going to keep trying. If it continues, I'll be selling my VG juice in the forum and buying more PG.
It does seem like I may have a sensitivity to VG. I've seen many posts of folks that are sensitive to PG, so I guess this is another of those things that you've got to find what is right for you.
 

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I've been following this string and I'd like to encourage everyone to continue to post updates.
I switched to 50/50 VG and pure VG about a month and a half ago thinking it would be easier on my throat.
Shortness of breath issues made me search, finding this message string. I've been using my asthma inhaler daily.
I did talk to my MD and thought it was the allergy season doing it, but???
Anyway, I switched to pure PG on Sunday and yesterday was my first day without having to hit the inhaler in weeks.
I'm going to keep trying. If it continues, I'll be selling my VG juice in the forum and buying more PG.
It does seem like I may have a sensitivity to VG. I've seen many posts of folks that are sensitive to PG, so I guess this is another of those things that you've got to find what is right for you.

I had the same experience ... I can use 70/30 PG/VG mix but any higher than that and I react to the VG with SOB and lots and lots of coughing. Way back when I started vaping I tried to do 100% VG juice because so many were/are sensitive to PG and my allergies can be quite strong ... was quite the learning experience!

Yes, it's one of those things that "you've got to find what's right for you."

Jan
 

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After a year of vapin and only a few analogs, no analogs last few months, I've better lung function than when smoking tobacco cigs. I find it strange that I'm still hacking up Phlegm, but attribute that to my only vaping 50/50 or > % VG juice. Most recently I'm cutting "Off the Rack" storebought ejuice with straight VG. Diluting both the flavor, and the nic level. I'm on my way out fellas. Soon to be 0 nic & straight VG. I'm a wonderin about that phlegm hack though. JMHO

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