anyone else have shortness of breath?

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To come to some kind of a conclusion one way or the other without actual and proper studies is not right. On the other hand, some people are faced with a sense of urgency and it is normal that they will be afraid and perhaps critical. If any conclusions can be drawn it is probably that not all people react exactly in the same way. I am in the camp that urges people to visit the doctor when symptoms occur. I like to be open-minded but I cannot see any other logical solution to this. If you puff and it makes your heart race and creates SOB, I say stop and go to the doctor as soon as possible.

As to my experience, I had SOB because of smoking in a bad way. I will never forget it. " There is no disease but your lung function is diminished by about 20-25%"

There has been a very significant improvement in my breathing, blood pressure and heart rate since I started vaping instead of smoking. My immune system has returned to normal and is fighting off any intruding bacteria and viruses with greater than normal efficiency. So far (I repeat so far) it has been win-win for me.
 

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I recently discovered that the e-juice I've been vaping daily contains diacetyl.
A google review of this chemical will really scare you. I really wonder if this is the culprit that is causing my issue.
I just placed an order with Backwoods Brew and I understand their e-juice is diacetyl-free.
Anyone else have any experience with adverse effects of diacetyl in e-juice?
 

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I recently discovered that the e-juice I've been vaping daily contains diacetyl.
A google review of this chemical will really scare you. I really wonder if this is the culprit that is causing my issue.
I just placed an order with Backwoods Brew and I understand their e-juice is diacetyl-free.
Anyone else have any experience with adverse effects of diacetyl in e-juice?

No one, that we know of, has suffered lung disease (aka bronchiolitis obliterans or "popcorn lung")due to diacetyl in juice. I'd run on the assumption that you haven't either.

Enjoy the BWB - it's great stuff and I miss it! (Not vaping flavored stuff when I do vape now.)

ETA: I didn't mean to sound like I was making light of your concerns - I fought tooth and nail for the disclosure of diacetyl in liquid because it's crystal clear that we aren't meant to inhale that stuff.
 
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Ubervap: Do you think the diacetyl caused problems for you?
I understand the statement that shanagan made that no one has died from it, but I suspect if it is a problem it would cause symptoms before it progressed to the point of serious irreversible damage. I hope my BWB order arrives quickly : )
 

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Just an update on my breathing. I quit vaping completely for a few weeks then went to 100% pg and quit all mint and used straight menthol flavor and I can breathe again. I think it was a combo of 30%vg and mint flavoring. I tried the peppermint that I love with 30%vg and I ended up coughing all night and hacked up some clear stuff. I have some 80/20 coming and I will see if I can use it. If not no big deal I order from Gourmet Vapor so I will be able to get 100 pg if needed. I think I just need to stay away from vg for awhile until my body clears it all out. I think I have absorbed as much as I can for now. I am so glad to be vaping again but since I had wuit and came back to it I cannot vape over 4mg how sissy is that I was using 6mg and that was really low I tried 0mg and didnt like the taste so much atleast not in MY diy. I am trying to get pback to 6 because I will be able to order from some of my fav places I did get some GV in 0mg and 6mg and cut my BB muffin down to 4 but that get expensive just ot have 4mg. I guess I will get over it. I can breathe and and still vape yay! Now if I could only find a mint that doesnt bother me (cry,cry).
 

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There were times when I was cutting down on smoking and replacing it with vaping that my lungs hurt like the devil. There were times when I was very short of breath. There were times that my heart raced, my throat hurt, I lost throat hit, had too much throat hit...yada yada.

But the entire time (about a year to go from a 35 year, 2 PAD to zero, then 3 months to go from 24 mg to zero nic) I refused to believe that any kind of vaping with any kind of juice could be worse for me than smoking. I stayed with the same flavor from the same manufacturer with the same vg/pg content and told myself to suck it up.

It's been 10 months since my last analog and there are still a few days when I get up my lungs hurt. That's my lungs healing. In retrospect, the shortness of breath was because I had to relearn how to breath without all that crap going in my lungs. When I quit analogs my body still got the nic, but didn't get the other hundreds of chemicals that are in cigs. My body reacted.

For me...the E-Cig was a lifesaver.
 

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In a way, this thread is a relief to me. 10 months in, I have SOB. I had an xray today and a lung test in a few days time.

What I have noticed about vaping:

1) Mixing vaping with smoking causes very bad lung responses (like double trouble).
2) Dehydration is a fact of vaping (this worries me).
3) PG and/or VG seem to suppress any ability to clear out the lungs (this worries me).
4) When vaping I rarely cough and it is never productive (this worries me).
5) The SOB comes with anxiety and frustration which may make it feel worse than it is (psychosomatic?)

I'm wondering about getting a steam inhaler to use at the end of the day to replace lost fluid in the lungs. I sometimes stand over a boiling kettle and inhale the steam (not sure if it has any positive effect).
 

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Well it has been the opposite for me. I have COPD from smoking for 50 years and my breathing has improved a 100% since I quit smoking and started vaping 19 months ago. I don't even have to use my inhalers anymore. Before I started vaping I couldn't even walk up a flight of stairs without stopping and using my inhaler to get a good breath but now no problem at all. I can mow my lawn and vape while I'm doing it. There just isn't any comparison to where I was and where I am now. You would think if vaping was causing breathing problems it would affect me real quick but it hasn't. I do vape mostly menthol and some tobacco flavors. I know if it had not have been for vaping my next step would have been packing around an oxygen bottle like many of my friends are. The only thing I've seen vaping cause is the dehydration and you need to drink plenty of liquid.
 

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In a way, this thread is a relief to me. 10 months in, I have SOB. I had an xray today and a lung test in a few days time.

What I have noticed about vaping:

1) Mixing vaping with smoking causes very bad lung responses (like double trouble).
2) Dehydration is a fact of vaping (this worries me).
3) PG and/or VG seem to suppress any ability to clear out the lungs (this worries me).
4) When vaping I rarely cough and it is never productive (this worries me).
5) The SOB comes with anxiety and frustration which may make it feel worse than it is (psychosomatic?)

I'm wondering about getting a steam inhaler to use at the end of the day to replace lost fluid in the lungs. I sometimes stand over a boiling kettle and inhale the steam (not sure if it has any positive effect).

I've always been concerned about this dehydration problem too, Slopes. The problem is, both PG and VG cause it and no, drinking more water does not necessarily rectify the symptoms for everyone. Acute dehydration is resolved by replenishing the body's water after exercise or strenuous activity and symptoms of the usual fatigue, thirst, etc., go away by themselves in matter of minutes.

But the symptoms of chronic dehydration are easily not associated with dehydration at all and build up over time and are unlike the acute variation. From what I've read, which was sourced to medical doctors, these are the symptoms of chronic dehydration:

(The Water Prescription, by Christopher Vasey, N.D, Your Body's Many Cries for Water by Dr. Batmanghelidj, MD. and a website called Diagnose Me - compiled notes for candida-cure-recipes.com/symptoms-of-dehydration.html)

Yawning, Fatigue, Lack of Energy: Dehydration of the tissues causes enzymatic activity to slow down. Also, blood carries oxygen to the brain. If blood volume is low due to dehydration then the brain can receive less oxygen than is optimal, resulting in fatigue and yawning.

Constipation: When chewed food residue enters the colon, it still contains a high percentage of water, which the colon reduces to form a stool. In chronic dehydration, the colon takes out too much water from the stool for other dehydrated parts of the body, which leads to hardened, compacted stools.

Digestive Disorders: In chronic dehydration, the secretion of digestive juices are less than optimal, which can cause some trouble in properly digesting your food.

High and Low Blood Pressure: Low blood pressure can be due to there simply not being enough blood volume. Here's the really interesting part - high blood pressure can be a state of adaptation of the body to chronic long-term dehydration. As the body fills blood vessels with volume to normalize low pressure due to chronic dehydration, the constriction of the vascular system forces the water from the blood vessels into the cells in order to deliver vital nutrients and oxygen. Such effort by the body can lead to a high blood pressure reading which can actually be traced to dehydration as the root of the problem.

Gastritis, Stomach Ulcers: To protect its mucous membranes from being destroyed by its own acidic digestive fluid, the stomach secretes a layer of mucous. When there is not enough liquid to go around for all the body's vital functions, there can be a reduction in the amount of protective mucous formed.

Respiratory Troubles: The mucous membranes of the respiratory region are normally slightly moist, which protects the respiratory tract from substances that might be present in inhaled air. Again, in chronic dehydration this is a part of the body which might not get enough moisture.

Acid-Alkaline Imbalance: Dehydration causes a slowing down of enzymatic activity which can produce an overly acidic condition in some people.

Excess Weight or Obesity: Thirst is often confused with hunger. If you tend to overeat it's good practice to drink a glass of water about 5 minutes before each meal.

Eczema: Your body needs a sufficient supply of water to sweat out enough moisture, thereby diluting toxins so they do not irritate the skin.

Elevated Cholesterol: When dehydration causes too much liquid to be removed from inside the cells, the body tries to stop this loss by producing more cholesterol.

Cystitis, Urinary Infections: If toxins contained in urine are insufficiently diluted, they can cause problems for the urinary mucous membranes.

Pain: Localized pain may be a warning of localized thirst. The pain signal may be a warning of dehydration in that specific area, for example; low back pain, migraine headache, joint pain, and angina.

Rheumatism: Dehydration abnormally increases the concentration of toxins in the blood and cellular fluids, and rheumatoid type pain increases in proportion to the concentration of the toxins.

General Malaise: Chronic dehydration can contribute to a reduction in lymph flow (lymph fluid carries excess toxins from the body) which in turn may cause general feelings of malaise.

Premature Aging: The body of a newborn baby is composed of about 80 percent liquid. This percentage declines to no more than 70 percent in a healthy adult and will then slowly continue to decline with age. If you're aging prematurely you might just be drying up!

When I read this list I had to wonder because most of it I would have never associated with dehydration and I never knew the difference between acute and chronic either.

While I didn't get it, my cousin wound up with SOB as you did, only within 2 or so months of vaping for her. She stopped the next morning and chewed the gum instead and within a few days the SOB resolved completely. She vapes every now and then, but not nearly what she was taking in. I don't see any harm in picking up some nicorette gum or SNUS for a few days JUST to see for yourself and I highly recommend it. You are not psychosomatic, dear. Your body is trying to tell you something.

Pardon my curiosity, but how did your lung x-ray and tests go? And if they were all good, perhaps consider asking your doctor if there is a test to gage the moisture content of the lungs? It seems that if we are wondering if chronic dehydration could be a factor in vaping and determine that for sure medically, we could explore some possible solutions BEFORE these symptoms get to the panicky level, as I'm sure SOB would panic anyone.

See also: www.glovesinabottle.com/news.php?include=1335 for stages of dehydration and some do's and don't. (This is interesting! It would explain the reason for bloating, eczema, joint pain, etc., and how if hydration is off by as little as 1%, where we start to see problems and why.)
 
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My husband pointed me to this thread as since I started vaping again with PG instead of VG I have been experiencing some shortness of breath issues.
It's winter here in Australia so I have been finding it difficult to be motivated to drink a lot of water but since I've been making a concentrated effort I am finding that the SOB issues are slightly better. Not completely resolved but enough for me to be determined to keep going.
Even though I had what appeared to be an allergy to the VG (it seems) I did actually feel a LOT better vaping with it as far as my lungs and breathing went.
 

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Well its prob been close to a year since I last posted about my SOB, after trying 100s of differnt flavors/vendors.........for me the SOB was caused by heavy flavorid liquid, ive been vaping almost all tobacco flavor e liquid and my SOB has completly gone away, thats what worked for me and I feel much better vaping now compared to chewing and destroying my mouth, I wish everyone thats having problems the best of luck..........
 

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I'm a new vaper, and I started vaping with a 90/10 PG/VG mix with no problems. I just got my new e-liquids, which are a 50/50 mix, and I cannot tolerate them. I cough every time I vape. It's so bad that I am going to refrain from vaping until I can get some more 90/10 mix or I may even switch to 100% PG. Probably a good thing for my lungs to rest a few days, albeit bad for my comfort.

I noticed the higher VG juice is gunking up my cartos pretty bad. One clogged to the point that it needs cleaning (if that will help) in less than a day of vaping. I do not want to inhale this stuff anymore.

I would love for someone to figure out why most people can vape juices with a lot of VG with no problem whatever, whilst it appears to cause some of us to have respiratory problems. I don't think it can be explained by an allergy, because the experiences that those of us who are irritated by VG don't seem like normal allergic reactions.
 

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Like many other in this thread, I am slightly over 3 months vaping and have also started feeling some shortness of breath. Not anywhere near as severe as others here, but enough that it is noticeable.

It sometimes feels as if my chest is tight or heavy, not able to expand enough for a full breath. At some other points of the day, however, I am feeling just fine.

I find it interesting that most of the people having issues started experiencing problems at roughly the same time (2 to 3 month mark) and that many report a change in juices or PG/VG ratios shortly before the problem started.

After reading through the whole thread (and yes, I did read it all, links included), it sounds as if there is a mixture of possible causes thus far.

PG/VG sensitivity: Many will quote allergic reactions. While this may be true, it seems as if some are long-term side effects. This would imply not an allergy, but a sensitivity to the compound. In this case, a distinction between both is VERY important. VG also does seem to cause much more issues than PG due to its oily characteristics.

Detoxing Side-Effects: A lot of recovering smokers do experience shortness of breath and reduced lung function as their bodies attempt to adapt and repair. These are symptoms that can be present anywhere from 1 month to 9. This issue can only be made worse by PG and VG, which impair the lungs' ability to clean itself.

Cilia Reconstruction: Similar to the issue above, the very rebirth of the cilia we killed while smoking can be problematic by itself. It appears that this can cause the return of allergies, asthma and chronic issues which were previously masked by smoking.

Dehydration: With many reporting an increase in fluids intake resolves their issue, it appears in some cases the problem is related to lung tissue not being moist enough.

Panic and Anxiety: Be it because there is a nicotine imbalance, not enough, or a craving for MAOI's, a very few seem to experience shortness of breath because they are not getting the relief traditional tobacco brings. This is evidence by those few feeling better after smoking a cigarette.

E-Juice Additives: From those who engage in DIY, some seem to have experienced problems because of extra ingredients in their mix, intended to increase vapor or some other quality. (distilled water, alcohol, etc.)

Juice Flavorings: This, far and wide, seems to be the most common culprit of all. Most people afflicted by shortness of breath problems appear to have resolved it by switching to another vendor or flavor. In a couple cases, it seems the flavoring did permanent damage and lung function has not recovered even after a year of abstinence. Again, in all of the testimonies about these cases, the problem started when trying a new juice. Thus far, it seems the main culprits in flavorings are diacetyl, mints, butter and cinnamon flavors. I also find it interesting that many mention Dekang and other Chinese-made liquid as triggers for SOB from the first inhale.

I agree with all the others who have said we need more data, research and tests done in e-liquid to make sure we are not changing one life-threatening habit for another.

As for me, I will try to switch flavors and vendors as often as I can with my limited resources. Unfortunately, I cannot afford any medical assistance, testing or care, which means I will have to try to self diagnose as best as possible and listen to the clues my body throws at me.
 
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Guys, take it from someone who quit smoking and started vaping for almost three months, then quit vaping for 9 months (without going back to smoking), and then started vaping again in the last month:

If these symptoms are happening within your first 6-8 months of quitting smoking, it's most likely related to that and not to vaping. Your body is going through some serious, serious stuff when you quit. Doctors and others don't tell you that you'll likely feel like crap and even get strange infections, etc, after you quit smoking. A lot of us do. I was one of them. After I quit, I was sick for nearly six months straight. I thought it was from vaping, but after I quit vaping, I got even more ill.

Now, I'm running 5K four times a week and feeling better than I have in my life. A good rule of thumb: It takes one month for every year you smoked to get back to "normalcy". I can't recall where I read that, but it sounds about right. Some get better faster, and vice-versa, I'm sure.

It just takes time for your body to adjust and clean itself out. TRUST me: Nothing is worse for you than smoking. If you can quit vaping without starting smoking, more power to you. But if you can't, PLEASE don't let this thread scare you.

I'm not saying that there aren't people with legitimate concerns, but just don't get freaked out about it and consider what you've put your body through in smoking all these years...you aren't gonna feel better right away.

Just my two cents.

Oh, and stay hydrated! That is HUGE!
 

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When you read peoples' DIY recipes, and juice vendors' statements, you come to realize 25-30% flavoring is commonplace, and 40% is not uncommon. Many of the sweet buttery flavorings contain diketones like diacetyl, that are known to permanently damage respiratory tissues, yet these are very popular. Most juice vendors have not done much to eliminate this hazard. Other flavorings are complete unknowns, as far as inhalation goes. Their intended concentration in foods is around 0.1%. I find the large amount of flavoring many people use amazing. It sure makes any discussion of "vaping side effects" difficult.

An interesting phenomenon is adaptation, where high concentrations taste strong at first, and then don't taste all that different from lower amounts. It's like very loud music. Anyone suffering strange effects might want to switch to unflavored or low flavor liquids and see how they feel. In the end, I feel best using under 5% flavoring and little or no PG. Not that I worry about nicotine, but after a few months I tend to mix nicotine at under 10mg/ml, and hardly notice if I forget to add any.
 

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Really interesting topic, and your post in particular has got me really spooked Fernand - in a constructive way. This whole Diacetyl business is very unsettling. I'd never even heard about the whole controversy with the problems it's caused to workers in the food manufacturing industry until I started vaping.

I'm not a fan of buttery flavours, but it seems to be used in quite a range of others, potentially anything that's aiming for a dairy/confectionary kind of taste. I'm switching to a different e-juice supply that's UK based and has confirmed they don't use this stuff. Man, we really are on the frontier here, it isn't all a bed of roses.
 
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