Nice! I use my AR for hunting sometimes, but about 90% of the time I use my lever gun.
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Nice! I use my AR for hunting sometimes, but about 90% of the time I use my lever gun.
We all know that spending money on another lower would really be......building a new AR.
LOL yes it would!!! And thats not a bad thing at all IMHO ;-)
*sigh* Yeah, I was afraid of this reaction.
The 2nd Amendment is "controversial" 'round here, and we firearms owners are just a bunch of "high-T good ole boys", huh?
Got it.
Unless you're loading a musket then yes...it's controversial. I hope you appreciate all of the innocents that die for you to enjoy your hobby. Not judging. Just saying your right is getting more and more costly. So, I hope you approach it with a little reverence.
I use the 30.06 for hunting. I dont consider droppin coyotes "hunting". More of a pest removal. Ive lost a few animals to them little aholes so i keep their population knocked down for the flourishment of my ranch.
The first time i took that AR out, i knew they flew flat and straight but i was heavily surprised at just how flat and straight. I had been shooting at the targets on my property at 200yds. I had a couple take off out of their dens at about 250 yds from me running downhill and away from me. I lead one about a foot and let if fly. I seen him slow up a bit so i brought the dot back to him and let one go. Dropped it. Went to the other one that was probably about 350yds at this point and it was still spot on. I have to admit, i was a little giddy at that point. ;-)
I use a 62gr FMJBT. I found they give me the best accuracy in my 1:10 twist barrel. Im reloading some 69gr a little hot to see how they do at distance.
While I should just ignore you, I'll respond to your post as a responsible gun owner even though it appears to be obvious trolling - after all, why would you even click on a firearms thread considering your stance, which no one here is obviously going to alter in any way, shape or form.
Not a single innocent has ever died from my hobby & I can probably assume the same from these other gentlemen who've been enjoying this thread along with me. My right is getting costly with every purchase of ammo, reloading supplies, the next firearm I would like to enjoy, etc., but it has never cost anything more than that, not your or anyone else's freedom, life or way you choose to live that life. I'm sincerely sorry that you feel the need to lump any breathing creature who is able to pick up a firearm into the same group, unable to differentiate between a responsible enthusiast & some idiot, wacko, gangbanger or any other less than desirable character who chose to misuse a tool for a poor reason. Lastly, I'll promise you two things - if I see a thread where you and your friends are happily discussing your topic of interest that doesn't concern me, or perhaps I'm even against the idea, I won't click on it. That's your freedom, that's your right, no matter how I feel about it. Secondly, if one of the aforementioned 'bad guys' ever attempts to cause you or yours serious harm, I promise I will respect your view on firearms & stay out of the way.
Very well put brotha!!! I chose to ignore him and theres no way in hell i could stated that even remotely as eloquent as you just did. Bravo!!
Very well put brotha!!! I chose to ignore him and theres no way in hell i could stated that even remotely as eloquent as you just did. Bravo!!
Thank you kind sir. I restrained for a while, but ultimately felt that it was almost as childish to not say anything at all. I accept that not everyone feels the way that we do, but we are grown men & women, and should behave as such, even if this is the internet where that kind of behavior seems to run rampant. I didn't feel all that eloquent writing it, I just did what any of you would have also done, responded calmly, rationally & didn't allow irrelevant personal feelings to interfere.
This article is great regarding guns
why the gun is civilization.
Posted by Marko Kloos
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, thats it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that wed be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the muggers potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiatit has no validity when most of a muggers potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and thats the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
Then theres the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones dont constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon thats as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldnt work as well as a force equalizer if it wasnt both lethal and easily employable.
When I carry a gun, I dont do so because I am looking for a fight, but because Im looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I dont carry it because Im afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesnt limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation and thats why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
why the gun is civilization.
Posted by Marko Kloos
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, thats it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that wed be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the muggers potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiatit has no validity when most of a muggers potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and thats the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
Then theres the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones dont constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon thats as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldnt work as well as a force equalizer if it wasnt both lethal and easily employable.
When I carry a gun, I dont do so because I am looking for a fight, but because Im looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I dont carry it because Im afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesnt limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation and thats why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
Exactly. Everybody is entitled to their opinions, but that's what I tell everyone that is anti-2A. Just remember, when seconds matter the police are minutes away. Also, the Police aren't here to prevent crime from happening, they are here to take reports after it happens.
A lot of people did die for me to enjoy my 2A rights. Same as every other right we've got. To ignore or disparage any of these rights would be to deny the sacrifices of those patriots.
But since paper has no rights, I'm going to continue killing the hell out if it.
But since paper has no rights, I'm going to continue killing the hell out if it.
Gimp, I can't say I agree with everything in that article, but 2 very good points did stand out.
1, God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal.
2, Those who choose to responsibly carry are the absolute least worry - I trust more CCW permit holders than I do police quite often, even though an officer has exactly the same rights with his side arm as a licensed civilian, the civilian tends to take it much more seriously, i.e. it's not an "occupational perk." Of course this doesn't apply to all CCW holders, nor all officers, but viewed statistically. Anyhow, enough of the political crap, it's not getting anyone anywhere anyhow. Lets see some more of those pics
I don't have many great ones, but here's my S&W 5906. It's not the greatest photo, but it was the first one I could find off hand. Not a clue what happened the photo of the other side, but it wasn't in the same folder.
1, God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal.
2, Those who choose to responsibly carry are the absolute least worry - I trust more CCW permit holders than I do police quite often, even though an officer has exactly the same rights with his side arm as a licensed civilian, the civilian tends to take it much more seriously, i.e. it's not an "occupational perk." Of course this doesn't apply to all CCW holders, nor all officers, but viewed statistically. Anyhow, enough of the political crap, it's not getting anyone anywhere anyhow. Lets see some more of those pics
I don't have many great ones, but here's my S&W 5906. It's not the greatest photo, but it was the first one I could find off hand. Not a clue what happened the photo of the other side, but it wasn't in the same folder.
Bravo Ozwald.. Bravo
Im gonna borrow that Gif if you dont mind there LX. I was lookin for something like that to use, lolol.
me and my wife are taking the CHL class & test next weekend. I've always been more of a rifle guy. I only own one handgun- a .38 Revolver which is not really a good Conceal carry gun. My wife likewise handles a rifle very well, but very little experience with handgun. We're both going out tomorrow with a friend that has some handguns for us to use for the day to warm up for the class/test next week.
In the way of conceal carry, I would like to hear opinions on good options for us look at when it comes time to buy.
In the way of conceal carry, I would like to hear opinions on good options for us look at when it comes time to buy.
Add me to the list of nuts
Oh im sure we are all on somebodies list of nuts, thats for dam sure, lolol.
There's so many options out there & shooters are all so different that it's hard to make specific recommendations. Obviously stick with a good brand with a good reputation. After that, it's got to feel good in your hand, not only at the counter but when you're actually putting rounds through it. There's a lot of guns that feel so nice in the store but they just don't fit you once that recoil is going back through them.
As for caliber, that's about as hot of a topic as VV vs VW, or Provari vs whatever the argument is on that particular day. Personally I like to carry .380 in the summer & 9mm in the winter, but that's due to the size of my sidearms - my .380 is a Ruger LCP, one of the tiniest centerfires out on the market. You could conceal that in a swimsuit & not print. I do live in one of the coldest environments in the lower 48 (& we rival Alaska from time to time) so I like a bit larger of a caliber when potentially dealing with heavy winter dress, as well as a bit larger of a frame that can be more easily manipulated in light gloves, so the LCP is a poor choice for those months. Anything between .380 & .45 has it's good and bad points, it boils down to what you like, what you feel comfortable handling & your environment.
I hope your friend has a varied selection & that helps steer you at least in the right general direction of what you may like. Check your area for ranges that allow rentals/freebies (there are some where you pay for your spot on the range per hour & you can use anything they have, 1 at a time). The last piece of advice I would offer is go into your shops & get a good idea of your personal top 5 based on features & how they feel in your hand. Come home & really do some digging. Hickok45 & several others have some great videos covering many, many handguns. Read the reviews. If all you see are 5 stars, be skeptical, same with all 1 & 2's. No gun is perfect, no gun is perfect for everyone either. Better to find out the flaws before you buy rather than after & know what you're getting into. Sometimes a flaw that would put someone else completely off from it, would be something that I really don't care about too much & vice versa. The more different ones you can get your hands on & send some lead down range, the better off you'll be.
Your life could potentially ride on this purchase, so keep it fun, but make a serious, well thought out & wise decision.
My $0.02. I expect change, thanks.
As for caliber, that's about as hot of a topic as VV vs VW, or Provari vs whatever the argument is on that particular day. Personally I like to carry .380 in the summer & 9mm in the winter, but that's due to the size of my sidearms - my .380 is a Ruger LCP, one of the tiniest centerfires out on the market. You could conceal that in a swimsuit & not print. I do live in one of the coldest environments in the lower 48 (& we rival Alaska from time to time) so I like a bit larger of a caliber when potentially dealing with heavy winter dress, as well as a bit larger of a frame that can be more easily manipulated in light gloves, so the LCP is a poor choice for those months. Anything between .380 & .45 has it's good and bad points, it boils down to what you like, what you feel comfortable handling & your environment.
I hope your friend has a varied selection & that helps steer you at least in the right general direction of what you may like. Check your area for ranges that allow rentals/freebies (there are some where you pay for your spot on the range per hour & you can use anything they have, 1 at a time). The last piece of advice I would offer is go into your shops & get a good idea of your personal top 5 based on features & how they feel in your hand. Come home & really do some digging. Hickok45 & several others have some great videos covering many, many handguns. Read the reviews. If all you see are 5 stars, be skeptical, same with all 1 & 2's. No gun is perfect, no gun is perfect for everyone either. Better to find out the flaws before you buy rather than after & know what you're getting into. Sometimes a flaw that would put someone else completely off from it, would be something that I really don't care about too much & vice versa. The more different ones you can get your hands on & send some lead down range, the better off you'll be.
Your life could potentially ride on this purchase, so keep it fun, but make a serious, well thought out & wise decision.
My $0.02. I expect change, thanks.
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