are the manufactuers using sub par parts?

[stols001]

Honestly, I have had fantastic luck with my mods and tanks, overall. The ones I bought that weren't suited to my vaping style I could PIF which was great. I have also been the recipient of some incredible generosity by site members who know I am a MTL enthusiast, and no longer use that style of vaping OR just decided to be generous. I decided to be a supporting member of the forum, and have won 3 contests on here, with items that more than paid for my membership. I now own a stunning collection of things that I just love.

I'd like to say, "Well, I don't need to buy anything else," except it's FUN. And, as I discover more things I like, I can again go, "Well, I don't need this, PIF" and etc. I'd like to say that I'm done, but it is honestly great FUN to get a new vape or tank, so I doubt I will stop purchasing them entirely, but I am slowing down and weighing my purchases a bit. Whelp, I always said I wasn't going to decorate my tanks, and here I went, getting some of those pretty cage glass tanks for my Kabukis, LOL, so I'm not sure where this is going (they were cheap though!) but I guess I will find an ending point somewhere.

I just bought a bunch of stuff, though, and now I need to put myself firmly in check, once more. It was a LOT of fun though, breaking my 6 month rule for a bit....

Anna

 

[jfcooley]

Like some have said, I buy what works for me. Meaning that if I find that my cost vs aggravation is skewed than I simply won't buy anymore, and will share my opinion. However with the huge amount of product that's churned out it's possible another will have a different experience.

I troubleshoot daily. My thoughts are that if the you have the same problem with the same product/vendor then it's the vendor.

If you have the same problem with different vendors/products than maybe it's the user.

There are exceptions to this but I find its generally accurate.

My 2¢

 

[HauntedMyst]

If you want to find a reliable mod, find a mech mod, preferably an old American made mod and a titanium tank from Mods from the Ukraine and you have a mod that might just survive a nuclear blast. Yeah, you'll pay a good amount for them but I've dropped mine on the pavement and done more damage to the pavement than to the mod.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

from my experience... Joyetech has the worst 510's, I've won 4 Joyetech devices and EVERY one of them has had 510 issues, I even had to solder one of them back on..

Smok is another offender, time and time again they have sub par 510 connections, I'd rather eat the extra 1$ it would cost to upgrade them than to purchase a shotty device.

It seems as though for most of the market that quantity is more important than quality, devices are being released ALL THE TIME, in a never ending cycle with no major improvements, only changes we've really seen in the last year or two is... Color Screens, Different Battery Configurations and more watts/lower ohm coil heads. Companies like Smok are feeding off of people with Shinyitis and it's pretty blarg..

 

[Darrgoe]

I own 3 Smok mods and haven't had any issues with any of them. If I have a tank that leaks I get rid of the tank.

 

[Alien Traveler]

If you want to find a reliable mod, find a mech mod, preferably an old American made mod and a titanium tank from Mods from the Ukraine and you have a mod that might just survive a nuclear blast. Yeah, you'll pay a good amount for them but I've dropped mine on the pavement and done more damage to the pavement than to the mod.

From Ukraine? Are you sure it's better than from China?
Once I dropped my $20 mod with $18 clone tank on cement stairway and it went, bouncing, all the way down. Nothing was damaged, even glass. Should I preach that for survival nothing that is more than $20 should be used?
EDIT: By the way, titanium is not tougher than stainless steel. But it is lighter, it's the reason why it is used in many situations when weight is of concern.

 

[Coyote628]

Yeah I just like to use Apple as an example. Personally I only use Samsung phones. For better or worse.

Me too, on the samsung phones.

 

[Beamslider]

They are ordering parts in mass for the best price they can find to make the mods with. There are bound to be some issues with quality on some of the units.

 

[Coyote628]

Like some have said, I buy what works for me. Meaning that if I find that my cost vs aggravation is skewed than I simply won't buy anymore, and will share my opinion. However with the huge amount of product that's churned out it's possible another will have a different experience.

I troubleshoot daily. My thoughts are that if the you have the same problem with the same product/vendor then it's the vendor.

If you have the same problem with different vendors/products than maybe it's the user.

There are exceptions to this but I find its generally accurate.

My 2¢

Kinda like i said once in another thread, some people can tear up a bowling ball.

 

[HauntedMyst]

From Ukraine? Are you sure it's better than from China?
Once I dropped my $20 mod with $18 clone tank on cement stairway and it went, bouncing, all the way down. Nothing was damaged, even glass. Should I preach that for survival nothing that is more than $20 should be used?
EDIT: By the way, titanium is not tougher than stainless steel. But it is lighter, it's the reason why it is used in many situations when weight is of concern.

None of the atties I ever had from the Ukraine have ever suffered a single failure so yeah, I am sure mine are better. You can preach it however you want.

By the way, some carbon fiber is ten time stronger than steel yet has a much lower shear modulus. The More You Know.

 

[kbeam418]

What I find humorous is when "name brand", "quality" products are manufactured in China, China get zero credit, but when a cheap device in manufactured there they get 100% of the blame. Your iPhone is made in China for instance. Never heard anyone say it was a cheap product. It isn't a "China" problem. It's a parent company specification and quality standards problem. The quality level and QC standards are set by the company brand not the manufacturer. SMOK (for instance) sets lower QC standards than Apple does so the end product is both cheaper for the consumer and less reliable. Apple would never tolerate standards as low as some ecig companies do. Then again if they charged $800+ for a mod it better damn well not break...ever.

Was just about to type this. Apple (not their phones) is a very good example of high quality. I bought a mbp because of how well built is, about the only other laptop that can compete is a Think Pad. Vaping wise Yihi's devices are top of the line, the M class is pretty much on par to a Provair (imo).

 

[Beamslider]

Well there are high quality mods in the $500 and up range made in the USA.....Not $50 though.

These are top notch but will set you back some change.

New Home - Element Mods

 

[Bunnykiller]

if it was golf.... sub par is a good thing

 

[mcclintock]

So let me get this right. You set up a leaky tank... the juice gets in the mod.. so the mod is made wrong....

How about fixing the damn leaks...... if you don't run a leaking tank with a leaking 510.. no juice gets on the mod... no issues.


YES THERE IS CRAP GEAR ON THE MARKET... but the best hand made mod can't stand up to lazy users running leaking atomizers.

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Getting ejuice in the 510 connector is NORMAL and any mod that can't handle that is junk. I'll overdrip and end up with ejuice running down the side and everywhere or just completely fill the space between the atty and the mod, wipe out the excess not even clean the actual connector for a few days, then overdrip 10 minutes later and start the cycle over. Pico is fine so far, although I'm considering a larger mod to use at home with more space between the atty and the buttons. I turn the Pico around with the screen facing my body and can't see it, as it is, so I can aim the air hole away from me and the buttons. Those with dual coil RDAs must not drip through the drip tip hole like I do.

In the original 510 connector design, the air intake was part of the connector, remember?

 

[93gc40]

Getting ejuice in the 510 connector is NORMAL and any mod that can't handle that is junk. I'll overdrip and end up with ejuice running down the side and everywhere or just completely fill the space between the atty and the mod, wipe out the excess not even clean the actual connector for a few days, then overdrip 10 minutes later and start the cycle over. Pico is fine so far, although I'm considering a larger mod to use at home with more space between the atty and the buttons. I turn the Pico around with the screen facing my body and can't see it, as it is, so I can aim the air hole away from me and the buttons. Those with dual coil RDAs must not drip through the drip tip hole like I do.

In the original 510 connector design, the air intake was part of the connector, remember?

Yep. I still use TWO 510 aired drippers... I also use a couple RDA in BF mod.....

Been vaping EJUICE for 3 years other things longer... have had many leaks.. not 1 got INTO my mod... even the Squonk boxes.

Leaks happen.... but those leaks don't have to do more than make a mess.

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[Alien Traveler]

None of the atties I ever had from the Ukraine have ever suffered a single failure so yeah, I am sure mine are better. You can preach it however you want.

By the way, some carbon fiber is ten time stronger than steel yet has a much lower shear modulus. The More You Know.

None of my Chinese mods had failure. So?
And I rather will believe in China with its modern equipment than to Ukraine with its dilapidated lathes from Soviet times.

 

[gofishtx]

Hi all,

this is my question for you all.

I have had a Laisimo L100 that leaked e-juice all over the batteries, I took the battery sled out the 510 looks nice and solid well made, but the rubber between the center pin and the barrel did not fit well allowing e-juice to leak down the center pin and over the batteries.

next i got a Smok alien 220w that had a two part 510 system which also let e-juice in and coated the batteries as well I used it until the board just stopped working. I wonder why.

so I ask you all, should we speak up about the 510 we get in our devices being sub par?

how many device has anyone had that also leaked juice allover the batteries, I know i can't be the only one.

Keyman

I'll just respond to the original post. Smok products, particularly the Alien are not the best made. I dissembled one of my non working Aliens and found the 510 pin is just a cheap floating button set inside 510 threads. You can replace it with a better 510 or you can address your leaking tank issue. I lost several mods that were not Smok due to leaking tanks and shoddy 510s. I replaced all of my mods and then researched tanks that do not leak. The only non leaky tanks I found are those with Top Airflow. Smok has the new X tank and Vaperosso has the Veco series that are both rated good. Joyetch has the Cubis. If you do rebuildables then you can't go wrong with the OBS Engine or Engine Nano. If you are currently using the Smok Baby Beast then you may like the Smok X Baby Beast but I believe it has it's own coils and does not use the original Baby Beast Coils. Once you get rid of the leaking problem your mods should last longer. Myself I went all rebuildable RDTAs and the OBS Engines and all my mods stay dry. Good Luck

 

[stols001]

Non leaking tanks are always fantastic. With that said, anytime I build a new coil (even if it's an RTA I know) I test it using my beater mod, the IPV-5, as if it's going to dump e-liquid all over my mod and possibly down in it, I want to use the mod that I care about the least. I also stay vigilant and monitor leaks, since they do happen, sometimes, and they need to be cleaned up ASAP. Etc.

I don't know that smok mods are the most unreliable mods of all time, I think they are trying to do a lot with a low price point. Anyone buying a mod with that many bells and whistles for that price should know a bit what they are getting into, IMHO. You are more likely to have QC issues, not just with an inexpensive mod, but with one who is trying to Do it All and offer many options, at a low price point.

I've never owned a Smok mod, they aren't really in my wheelhouse as a MTL vaper, but again, I think it's unfair to blame leaks on ruining a mod, that's something even as a newcomer if I'd seen that happening, I would have immediately asked what was going on and how to fix it. I just don't get the liquid is okay in electronics and around batteries. At all.

Anna

 

[Str8vision]

I have both mech and regulated mods, authentic ($$$) and clone but none that leaked through the 510. They've all had plenty of opportunities to do so . Then again, I've never owned a Smok, Joyetech or Laisimo product, perhaps I've just been lucky.

Fixing to buy a new one (Ijoy Capo squonker) for $35 shipped, at that price I don't really expect bulletproof reliability or great longevity. The polished S.S. 18650 Kato square box I bought many years ago I expected to be bulletproof, it was and still is. I even bought its clone ($50) from FT and it was superb, still is. I still have the very first mods I ever bought, an authentic Atom and Astro telescopic tube mods (mechs), both still look and work great. For the price I currently pay for mods ($25 to $40) I'd be happy if I only got a years use from them but so far all have greatly exceeded my expectations.

This past year my daily driver's been a cheap $25 palm sized Pico and it's holding up extremely well. I often rinse, rebuild and fill attys while still attached to the 510 (lazy), no problems of any kind. I've knocked it over, knocked it off onto the floor and dropped it on concrete multiple times, so far no problems. I guess it's just a matter of perspective because I spend as much for a good steak dinner as I do for a mod yet the mod provides me enjoyment seven days a week, month after month. For the price I think they're doing a pretty good job, but that's just my opinion, as with everything vaping related YMMV.

 

[mcclintock]

Yep. I still use TWO 510 aired drippers... I also use a couple RDA in BF mod.....

Been vaping EJUICE for 3 years other things longer... have had many leaks.. not 1 got INTO my mod... even the Squonk boxes.

Leaks happen.... but those leaks don't have to do more than make a mess.

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My comment about airflow through the 510 was a bit reaching. I've barely ever used them although I do use eGo threads type tanks with bottom airflow. Some moistness down there is pretty much the norm. I've had to fix a few including resolder wires when the battery unit comes apart. While leaked-in ejuice is nonzero in these $5 batteries, its is not substantial.

Other than that, I'm not sure if you're disagreeing that mods shouldn't leak or not. Perhaps the other factor when leaks cause a failure is flavoring. The ejuice base doesn't seem very corrosive, in fact absorbed humidity is probably its biggest problem.

I do know that you could get a bad cheap mod, have it fail and buy another (hopefully not the same kind duh) and still save over the alternatives. Some stuff *is* cheap but fact is, vaping wouldn't be anything close to where it is now without it. When you have to buy it to fully try it, and many people doing so don't even know if vaping will work for them, price becomes all the more important.