Are those who claim that vaping is safer than smoking liars?

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patkin

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Frankly, I've never heard any vaper say vaping was "safe." What I have heard is vaping is "safer" than smoking. There's a difference. Our society is riddled with liars today and they do it for many different reasons. Liars who would have me believe vaping is more harmful than smoking are in much greater abundance than those alledged liars with motivations you address. Therefore, I let my own experience be my guide. So far, vaping has totally eliminated some health problems I had smoking and greatly improved others. Plain old common sense tells me its better to vape than smoke. So that's what I do. Its pretty simple really and those who attempt to make it more complex, yes, they very well may have hidden agendas. What I don't appreciate is anyone trying to brand ME a liar when I state the facts of my personal experience or attempt to prohibit my use of what I consider life-saving .. namely vaping. And the liars who attempt to keep me or anyone else from its benefits... well, what they've done is awaken a sleeping tiger.
 

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ok Cigarettes contain many ingredients some of which are:

• Acetanisole
• Acetic Acid
• Acetoin
• Acetophenone
• 6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane
• 2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine
• 2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran
• Acetylpyrazine
• 2-Acetylpyridine
• 3-Acetylpyridine
• 2-Acetylthiazole
• Aconitic Acid
• dl-Alanine
• Alfalfa Extract
• Allspice Extract,Oleoresin, and Oil
• Allyl Hexanoate
• Allyl Ionone
• Almond Bitter Oil
• Ambergris Tincture
• Ammonia
• Ammonium Bicarbonate
• Ammonium Hydroxide
• Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic
• Ammonium Sulfide
• Amyl Alcohol
• Amyl Butyrate
• Amyl Formate
• Amyl Octanoate
• alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde
• Amyris Oil
• trans-Anethole
• Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
• Anise
• Anise Star, Extract and Oils
• Anisyl Acetate
• Anisyl Alcohol
• Anisyl Formate
• Anisyl Phenylacetate
• Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins
• Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate
• 1-Arginine
• Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
• Ascorbic Acid
• 1-Asparagine Monohydrate
• 1-Aspartic Acid
• Balsam Peru and Oil
• Basil Oil
• Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
• Beeswax White
• Beet Juice Concentrate
• Benzaldehyde
• Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal
• Benzoic Acid, Benzoin
• Benzoin Resin
• Benzophenone
• Benzyl Alcohol
• Benzyl Benzoate
• Benzyl Butyrate
• Benzyl Cinnamate
• Benzyl Propionate
• Benzyl Salicylate
• Bergamot Oil
• Bisabolene
• Black Currant Buds Absolute
• Borneol
• Bornyl Acetate
• Buchu Leaf Oil
• 1,3-Butanediol
• 2,3-Butanedione
• 1-Butanol
• 2-Butanone
• 4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
• Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
• Butyl Acetate
• Butyl Butyrate
• Butyl Butyryl Lactate
• Butyl Isovalerate
• Butyl Phenylacetate
• Butyl Undecylenate
• 3-Butylidenephthalide
• Butyric Acid]
• Cadinene
• Caffeine
• Calcium Carbonate
• Camphene
• Cananga Oil
• Capsicum Oleoresin
• Caramel Color
• Caraway Oil
• Carbon Dioxide
• Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
• Carob Bean and Extract
• beta-Carotene
• Carrot Oil
• Carvacrol
• 4-Carvomenthenol
• 1-Carvone
• beta-Caryophyllene
• beta-Caryophyllene Oxide
• Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
• Cassia Bark Oil
• Cassie Absolute and Oil
• Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute
• Cedar Leaf Oil
• Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
• Cedrol
• Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
• Cellulose Fiber
• Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
• Chicory Extract
• Chocolate
• Cinnamaldehyde
• Cinnamic Acid
• Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
• Cinnamyl Acetate
• Cinnamyl Alcohol
• Cinnamyl Cinnamate
• Cinnamyl Isovalerate
• Cinnamyl Propionate
• Citral
• Citric Acid
• Citronella Oil
• dl-Citronellol
• Citronellyl Butyrate
• itronellyl Isobutyrate
• Civet Absolute
• Clary Oil
• Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract
• Cocoa
• Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder
• Coconut Oil
• Coffee
• Cognac White and Green Oil
• Copaiba Oil
• Coriander Extract and Oil
• Corn Oil
• Corn Silk
• Costus Root Oil
• Cubeb Oil
• Cuminaldehyde
• para-Cymene
• 1-Cysteine Dandelion Root Solid Extract
• Davana Oil
• 2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal
• delta-Decalactone
• gamma-Decalactone
• Decanal
• Decanoic Acid
• 1-Decanol
• 2-Decenal
• Dehydromenthofurolactone
• Diethyl Malonate
• Diethyl Sebacate
• 2,3-Diethylpyrazine
• Dihydro Anethole
• 5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine
• Dill Seed Oil and Extract
• meta-Dimethoxybenzene
• para-Dimethoxybenzene
• 2,6-Dimethoxyphenol
• Dimethyl Succinate
• 3,4-Dimethyl-1,2 Cyclopentanedione
• 3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione
• 3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene
• 4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-
Dihydrofuran-2-One
• 6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-
2-One
• 3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid
• 2,4 Dimethylacetophenone
• alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol
• alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate
• alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate
• 2,3-Dimethylpyrazine
• 2,5-Dimethylpyrazine
• 2,6-Dimethylpyrazine
• Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone
• delta-Dodecalactone
• gamma-Dodecalactone
• para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde
• Ethyl 10-Undecenoate
• Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate
• Ethyl Acetate
• Ethyl Acetoacetate
• Ethyl Alcohol
• Ethyl Benzoate
• Ethyl Butyrate
• Ethyl Cinnamate
• Ethyl Decanoate
• Ethyl Fenchol
• Ethyl Furoate
• Ethyl Heptanoate
• Ethyl Hexanoate
• Ethyl Isovalerate
• Ethyl Lactate
• Ethyl Laurate
• Ethyl Levulinate
• Ethyl Maltol
• Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate
• Ethyl Myristate
• Ethyl Nonanoate
• Ethyl Octadecanoate
• Ethyl Octanoate

• Ethyl Oleate
• Ethyl Palmitate
• Ethyl Phenylacetate
• Ethyl Propionate
• Ethyl Salicylate
• Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate
• Ethyl Valerate
• Ethyl Vanillin
• 2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine
• 2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -
Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One
• 2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine
• 5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2 (5H)-Furanone
• 2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine
• 4-Ethylbenzaldehyde
• 4-Ethylguaiacol
• para-Ethylphenol
• 3-Ethylpyridine
• Eucalyptol
• Farnesol
• D-Fenchone
• Fennel Sweet Oil
• Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute
• Fig Juice Concentrate
• Food Starch Modified
• Furfuryl Mercaptan
• 4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One
• Galbanum Oil
• Genet Absolute
• Gentian Root Extract
• Geraniol
• Geranium Rose Oil
• Geranyl Acetate
• Geranyl Butyrate
• Geranyl Formate
• Geranyl Isovalerate
• Geranyl Phenylacetate
• Ginger Oil and Oleoresin
• 1-Glutamic Acid
• 1-Glutamine
• Glycerol
• Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated
• Grape Juice Concentrate
• Guaiac Wood Oil
• Guaiacol
• Guar Gum
• 2,4-Heptadienal
• gamma-Heptalactone
• Heptanoic Acid
• 2-Heptanone
• 3-Hepten-2-One
• 2-Hepten-4-One
• 4-Heptenal
• trans -2-Heptenal
• Heptyl Acetate
• omega-6-Hexadecenlactone
• gamma-Hexalactone
• Hexanal
• Hexanoic Acid
• 2-Hexen-1-Ol
• 3-Hexen-1-Ol
• cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate
• 2-Hexenal
• 3-Hexenoic Acid
• trans-2-Hexenoic Acid
• cis-3-Hexenyl Formate
• Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate
• Hexyl Acetate
• Hexyl Alcohol
• Hexyl Phenylacetate
• 1-Histidine
• Honey
• Hops Oil
• Hydrolyzed Milk Solids
• Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins
• 5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta-Lactone
• 4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone
• 2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
• 4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone
• 2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde
• 4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone
• Hydroxycitronellal
• 6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane
• 4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
• Hyssop Oil
• Immortelle Absolute and Extract
• alpha-Ionone
• beta-Ionone
• alpha-Irone
• Isoamyl Acetate
• Isoamyl Benzoate
• Isoamyl Butyrate
• Isoamyl Cinnamate
• Isoamyl Formate, IsoamylHexanoate
• Isoamyl Isovalerate
• Isoamyl Octanoate
• Isoamyl Phenylacetate
• Isobornyl Acetate
• Isobutyl Acetate
• Isobutyl Alcohol
• Isobutyl Cinnamate
• Isobutyl Phenylacetate
• Isobutyl Salicylate
• 2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine
• alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol
• Isobutyraldehyde
• Isobutyric Acid
• d,l-Isoleucine
• alpha-Isomethylionone
• 2-Isopropylphenol
• Isovaleric Acid
• Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil
• Kola Nut Extract
• Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin
• Lactic Acid
• Lauric Acid
• Lauric Aldehyde
• Lavandin Oil
• Lavender Oil
• Lemon Oil and Extract
• Lemongrass Oil
• 1-Leucine
• Levulinic Acid
• Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract
and Powder
• Lime Oil
• Linalool
• Linalool Oxide
• Linalyl Acetate
• Linden Flowers
• Lovage Oil And Extract
• 1-Lysine]
• Mace Powder, Extract and Oil
• Magnesium Carbonate
• Malic Acid
• Malt and Malt Extract
• Maltodextrin
• Maltol
• Maltyl Isobutyrate
• Mandarin Oil
• Maple Syrup and Concentrate
• Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil
• para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One
• Menthol
• Menthone
• Menthyl Acetate
• dl-Methionine
• Methoprene
• 2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol
• 2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol
• para-Methoxybenzaldehyde
• 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One
• 4-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
• 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone
• Methoxypyrazine
• Methyl 2-Furoate
• Methyl 2-Octynoate
• Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone
• Methyl Anisate
• Methyl Anthranilate
• Methyl Benzoate
• Methyl Cinnamate
• Methyl Dihydrojasmonate
• Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated
• Methyl Isovalerate
• Methyl Linoleate (48%)
• Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture
• Methyl Naphthyl Ketone
• Methyl Nicotinate
• Methyl Phenylacetate
• Methyl Salicylate
• Methyl Sulfide
• 3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone
• 4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone
• 5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal
• 5-Methyl-2-Thiophene-carboxaldehyde
• 6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One
• 2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde
• 5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One
• 1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene
• 4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One
• 2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde
• 6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One
• 4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol
• 4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole
• Methyl-alpha-Ionone
• Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid
• 4-Methylacetophenone
• para-Methylanisole
• alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate
• alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol
• 2-Methylbutyraldehyde
• 3-Methylbutyraldehyde
• 2-Methylbutyric Acid
• alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde
• Methylcyclopentenolone
• 2-Methylheptanoic Acid
• 2-Methylhexanoic Acid
• 3-Methylpentanoic Acid
• 4-Methylpentanoic Acid
• 2-Methylpyrazine
• 5-Methylquinoxaline
• 2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One
• (Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers)

• 3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde
• Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate
• 2-Methylvaleric Acid
• Mimosa Absolute and Extract
• Molasses Extract and Tincture
• Mountain Maple Solid Extract
• Mullein Flowers
• Myristaldehyde
• Myristic Acid
• Myrrh Oil
• beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether
• Nerol
• Neroli Bigarde Oil
• Nerolidol
• Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal
• 2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol
• gamma-Nonalactone
• Nonanal
• Nonanoic Acid
• Nonanone
• trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol
• 2-Nonenal
• Nonyl Acetate
• Nutmeg Powder and Oil
• Oak Chips Extract and Oil
• Oak Moss Absolute
• 9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%)
And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%)
• delta-Octalactone
• gamma-Octalactone
• Octanal
• Octanoic Acid
• 1-Octanol
• 2-Octanone
• 3-Octen-2-One
• 1-Octen-3-Ol
• 1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate
• 2-Octenal
• Octyl Isobutyrate
• Oleic Acid
• Olibanum Oil
• Opoponax Oil And Gum
• Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute
• Orange Oil and Extract
• Origanum Oil
• Orris Concrete Oil and Root
Extract
• Palmarosa Oil
• Palmitic Acid
• Parsley Seed Oil
• Patchouli Oil
• omega-Pentadecalactone
• 2,3-Pentanedione
• 2-Pentanone
• 4-Pentenoic Acid
• 2-Pentylpyridine
• Pepper Oil, Black And White
• Peppermint Oil
• Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil
• Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil
• alpha-Phellandrene
• 2-Phenenthyl Acetate
• Phenenthyl Alcohol
• Phenethyl Butyrate
• Phenethyl Cinnamate
• Phenethyl Isobutyrate
• Phenethyl Isovalerate
• Phenethyl Phenylacetate
• Phenethyl Salicylate
• 1-Phenyl-1-Propanol
• 3-Phenyl-1-Propanol
• 2-Phenyl-2-Butenal
• 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol
• 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One
• Phenylacetaldehyde
• Phenylacetic Acid
• 1-Phenylalanine
• 3-Phenylpropionaldehyde
• 3-Phenylpropionic Acid
• 3-Phenylpropyl Acetate
• 3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate
• 2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran
• Phosphoric Acid
• Pimenta Leaf Oil
• Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch
• Pineapple Juice Concentrate
• alpha-Pinene, beta-Pinene
• D-Piperitone
• Piperonal
• Pipsissewa Leaf Extract
• Plum Juice
• Potassium Sorbate
• 1-Proline
• Propenylguaethol
• Propionic Acid
• Propyl Acetate
• Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate
• Propylene Glycol
• 3-Propylidenephthalide
• Prune Juice and Concentrate
• Pyridine
• Pyroligneous Acid And Extract
• Pyrrole
• Pyruvic Acid
• Raisin Juice Concentrate
• Rhodinol
• Rose Absolute and Oil
• Rosemary Oil
• Rum
• Rum Ether
• Rye Extract
• Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage
Oleoresin
• Salicylaldehyde
• Sandalwood Oil, Yellow
• Sclareolide
• Skatole
• Smoke Flavor
• Snakeroot Oil
• Sodium Acetate
• Sodium Benzoate
• Sodium Bicarbonate
• Sodium Carbonate
• Sodium Chloride
• Sodium Citrate
• Sodium Hydroxide
• Solanone
• Spearmint Oil
• Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil
• Sucrose Octaacetate
• Sugar Alcohols
• Sugars
• Tagetes Oil
• Tannic Acid
• Tartaric Acid
• Tea Leaf and Absolute
• alpha-Terpineol
• Terpinolene
• Terpinyl Acetate
• 5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline
• 1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane
• 2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-
Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone
• 2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine
• Thiamine Hydrochloride
• Thiazole
• 1-Threonine
• Thyme Oil, White and Red
• Thymol
• Tobacco Extracts
• Tochopherols (mixed)
• Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract
• Tolualdehydes
• para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate
• para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde
• para-Tolyl Acetate
• para-Tolyl Isobutyrate
• para-Tolyl Phenylacetate
• Triacetin
• 2-Tridecanone
• 2-Tridecenal
• Triethyl Citrate
• 3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol
• para,alpha,alpha-Trimethylbenzyl Alcohol
• 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-
Enyl)But-2-En-4-One
• 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-2-
Ene-1,4-Dione
• 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,
3-Dienyl Methan
• 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,
3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One
• 2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone
• 2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine
• 1-Tyrosine
• delta-Undercalactone
• gamma-Undecalactone
• Undecanal
• 2-Undecanone, 1
• 0-Undecenal
• Urea
• Valencene
• Valeraldehyde
• Valerian Root Extract, Oil
and Powder
• Valeric Acid
• gamma-Valerolactone
• Valine
• Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin
• Vanillin
• Veratraldehyde
• Vetiver Oil
• Vinegar
• Violet Leaf Absolute
• Walnut Hull Extract
• Water
• Wheat Extract And Flour
• Wild Cherry Bark Extract
• Wine and Wine Sherry
• Xanthan Gum
• 3,4-Xylenol
• Yeast


and vaping e-liquid contains these ingredients:

Nicotine
Flavoring
Propylene Glycol (PG)
Vegetable Glycerine (VG)

so in all which would you rather smoke and what one do you think is "SAFER"
i pick the vaping.
 

Hulamoon

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Fair enough - but then so do natural strawberries -

a Pesticide Action Network Analysis of pesticide residues using USDA data found 54 different pesticide residues were detected among strawberry samples. The testing turned up nine known or probable carcinogens, 24 suspected hormone disruptors, 11 neurotoxins, 12 developmental or reproductive toxins, and 19 honeybee toxins. Traces of fungicides captan and pyraclostrobin turned up on more than half of strawberry samples tested.


Unfortunately this is not remotely true.

There are over 50 chemicals used in Strawberry flavouring alone.

Vaping, unlike cigarette smoking, involves no tar, no burning, far less of the added chemicals, and less toxins.

It also gives very noticeable instant improvements - easier breathing, energy improvement, mood enhancement, cost savings and many, many more but it could be argued that these occur from quitting smoking and have nothing to do with vaping.

Long-term effects however, and unknown possible dangerous side effects are just that, unknown. But, unfortunately, very possible.

The best way to minimise these is to vape flavourless liquid, perhaps skewed towards a VG ratio with a slight dilution of distilled water.

You should DEFINITELY avoid Diacetly and it's related compounds (acetoin and acetly propionym) which is proven to be toxic, usually found in custard/butter flavours. Unfortunately it occurs in many others due to the complex manner in which 'natural' (unfortunately this is a misleading term and is still created in a laboratory from chemicals) flavours are created and the fact that Diacetyl itself is naturally occuring.

Vape safe.
 

acka

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Fair enough - but then so do natural strawberries -

a Pesticide Action Network Analysis of pesticide residues using USDA data found 54 different pesticide residues were detected among strawberry samples. The testing turned up nine known or probable carcinogens, 24 suspected hormone disruptors, 11 neurotoxins, 12 developmental or reproductive toxins, and 19 honeybee toxins. Traces of fungicides captan and pyraclostrobin turned up on more than half of strawberry samples tested.

I wouldn't vape a strawberry either. :p
 

Anjaffm

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oh gosh, chemicals in food flavorings :ohmy:
Yeah, chemicals are really really scary! :ohmy:

Would you eat this stuff here?

Gallic acid
Chlorogenic acid
Caffeic acid
?-Coumaric acid
Ferulic acid
Phloridzin
Epicatechin
Catechin
Procyanidin B1
Procyanidin B2
Quercetin-3-galactoside
Quercetin-3-arabinoside
Quercetin-3-rutinoside
Quercetin-3-rhamnoside

Naawww none of these horrible chemicals for me! I'd much rather eat an apple! :)
 

robcope

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I don't want to accuse anyone but personally I think they are, although for most of them, not intentionally.

A few considerations:

For vapers, it's very tempting to ignore the potential dangers:
Most vapers were former smokers, including myself. For most of us it is extremely tempting to jump on something that satisfies our craving for nicotine and is very similar to smoking. I was a smoker (2 packs a day of Camels) for 46 years and like most smokers I've tried all alternative methods for quitting, without success. I quit smoking after the fist puff of vapor and never thought about cigarettes again (it's been 6 months now). It's very tempting for me to try to ignore any argument that would point to potential dangers of vaping.

Those who claim that vaping is safe might very well be protecting financial interests of their own:
One argument I often read about those pointing to the potential dangers of vaping is that they are protecting interest of big tobacco or pharmaceutical (patches, gums, etc) companies. That may very well be true but let's not forget that although the vaping industry represent only a small fraction of revenues compared to the 2 mentioned above, the vaping industry is still cashing billions and that amount is growing exponentially (estimates vary from 100% to 400% yearly growth). Are we forgetting that those who claim so loudly that vaping is so much safer than smoking might very well be protecting their own financial interests?

The fact that most or all ingredients found in e-liquids are considered safe to eat doesn't mean that they're safe to vape:
First there's the fact that ingesting PG or VG or any of the thousands of chemicals contained in flavoring and/or coloring with food or medication is NOT the same as ingesting them through vapor. As we all know heating something sometimes modifies its chemical structure, can create chemical interactions and/or modifications of the components involved. In other words it's not because it's safe to eat something that it's safe to inhale the same thing that has been submitted to extreme heat and vaporized.
And then of course there's the question of pure quantity. My wife is asthmatic and inhales (non heated) PG with her medication. But let's face it, quantities involved are hugely different. I vape more or less 10ml/day. Can I assume that because the few micro mls of PG contained in asthma medication have been deemed safe I can with impunity ingest million of times that quantity when vaping?

And then there is the fact that amongst some of the thousand of chemicals involved in the composition of e-liquids a few ARE extremely dangerous:
If you're vaping and find my post ridiculous, please at least read this thread: XXX.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/534508-flavors-may-contain-diacetyl-there-really-many.html (Flavors that may contain Diacetyl, are there really this many?) Forgive the XXX but I'm not allowed to post links. Please replace with www

Long term research is non-existent:
We do have a few researches about short term effects of vaping and they do seem to indicate, for most of them at least, that vaping is much safer than smoking. But of course we have absolutely no long term researches due to the simple fact that vaping hasn't been around for that long. In other words, me and other vapers are guinea pigs and our cadavers, when we die, are hopefully going to provide data for future generations of vapers.

Does it mean we should panic and stop vaping?
Of course that's for each of us to decide. Personally, I consider that if we think that we are daily ingesting GMO's, breathing polluted air, eating transformed food containing millions of chemicals, vaping is probably not much worse than all that stuff.
But blindly believing that vaping is safe and that as ex-smokers, we can have our cake and eat it too is a bit unrealistic.
And also let's try to keep in mind that those defending vaping so loudly may have strong financial motivations to do so. Pointing the finger at tobacco and pharmaceutical companies doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have financial interests of your own to protect.

Nothing is safe. There are always potential dangers. I just know I can taste and smell things again. I no longer wheeze and cough, I have more stamina, and this year is the first of year in many that I haven't had so much as a cold - let alone an annual visit to the clinic for a sinus/throat/lung infection. I'm hard-pressed to believe that somehow, over time, the symptoms that stopped after switching to vaping would start up again because of vaping. Other, unforeseen issues may arise. But I see no reason to quit a good thing based on speculation. My experience is concrete, so I'll go by that for now.

Wow, I usually get pretty sick at least twice between December and March Every year. Quit smoking on 1 Dec 13 and haven't been sick once. So I will take my chances and continue vaping.

Sent on my awesome Galaxy note 2.
 

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Is vaping safer than smoking ?.
Yes..
Example:
Fall asleep in bed...With a cigarette in your mouth ..Its very dangerous ..many people have died from doing this.
Now..
Fall asleep in bed with a Provari....
You may wake up feeling uncomfortable...but it wont light your house on fire

I've done that. That ProVari was the source of much discomfort when I awoke...
 

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oh gosh, chemicals in food flavorings :ohmy:
Yeah, chemicals are really really scary! :ohmy:

Would you eat this stuff here?

Gallic acid
Chlorogenic acid
Caffeic acid
?-Coumaric acid
Ferulic acid
Phloridzin
Epicatechin
Catechin
Procyanidin B1
Procyanidin B2
Quercetin-3-galactoside
Quercetin-3-arabinoside
Quercetin-3-rutinoside
Quercetin-3-rhamnoside

Naawww none of these horrible chemicals for me! I'd much rather eat an apple! :)

Again, what's safe to vape and what's safe to eat are very, very, very different things.
 

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Again, what's safe to vape and what's safe to eat are very, very, very different things.

I have no desire nor goal to make vaping 100% safe. That's impossible. I am currently vaping a ProVari, and I suppose the ProVari could catastrophically fail and I could vent my battery and blow my atomizer through the back of my throat.

Or I could sneeze and rupture a critical blood vessel in my brain and die.

Life is a constant risk assessment.

Is vaping safer than smoking. Absolutely. Even EVIL diacetyl has only resulted in a handful of lawsuits and small number of occurrances of popcorn lung. One such case was from a consumer of a lot of microwave popcorn who in Colorado that sued Kroger for his "popcorn" lung although a postive link to his popcorn lung was never fully established. A successful lawsuit by a jury of your "peers" who are equally ignorant is hardly what can be called scientific fact.

If you wish to live in a plastic bubble be my guest. Personally I find the idea of vaping pure PG and distilled water to be repulsive.

But then again, I regularly eat McDonald's for lunch, and I'm pretty darn sure that will kill me before the vaping does. And I'm gonna die with a smile on my face. Because I for one refuse to live in paranoid fear of all the things that may kill me.

I'd much rather enjoy life to it's fullest since I only have one pass on this planet. Give me a full 50 years over a paranoid 90 years anyday.
 

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I have no desire nor goal to make vaping 100% safe. That's impossible. I am currently vaping a ProVari, and I suppose the ProVari could catastrophically fail and I could vent my battery and blow my atomizer through the back of my throat.

Or I could sneeze and rupture a critical blood vessel in my brain and die.

Life is a constant risk assessment.

Is vaping safer than smoking. Absolutely. Even EVIL diacetyl has only resulted in a handful of lawsuits and small number of occurrances of popcorn lung. One such case was from a consumer of a lot of microwave popcorn who in Colorado that sued Kroger for his "popcorn" lung although a postive link to his popcorn lung was never fully established. A successful lawsuit by a jury of your "peers" who are equally ignorant is hardly what can be called scientific fact.

If you wish to live in a plastic bubble be my guest. Personally I find the idea of vaping pure PG and distilled water to be repulsive.

But then again, I regularly eat McDonald's for lunch, and I'm pretty darn sure that will kill me before the vaping does. And I'm gonna die with a smile on my face. Because I for one refuse to live in paranoid fear of all the things that may kill me.

I'd much rather enjoy life to it's fullest since I only have one pass on this planet. Give me a full 50 years over a paranoid 90 years anyday.

brilliant! :thumbs:
thank you!
 

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Is vaping safer than smoking. Absolutely.

Personally, I'm getting a littled tired of this false reasoning and I don't think that makes me 'paranoid'.

Not smoking is safer than smoking. That is 100% true and should be celebrated.

However, because you (like me) used vaping to quit smoking you have ascribed all the benefits of quitting smoking to vaping.

It's just poor logic, but to each their own.
 

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^ I could not agree more! Especially the 90 paranoid part and all the stress that goes with it. I've noticed that the food and every-other-substance police tend to sound like if you do this or that you're NOT going to die. They don't usually get into "you're still going to die, its just going to take longer" just as vapers don't get into "its safer than smoking" because its simply an "understood." But, news flash, we're all dying and the problems encountered in that process can get pretty uncomfortable so the quality of life will not stay the same and quality becomes the real issue. Whatever lends more quality, like not hacking up a lung every day or living in fear, is the goal.
 

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Who started this thread? Melvin Provario? I've been vaping for six months now, all through this harsh winter. Haven't coughed because of vaping once. I assure you if I had been chain smoking for the last six months I'd be feeling pretty sick. Sometimes you just have to trust your own eyes and ears. Are there some risks involved with vaping. Maybe. But we ALREADY KNOW smoking cigarettes KILLS you, period. So please don't use this pseudological reasoning to question whether or not vaping is safer than smoking. With all due respect, it's nothing but nonsense.
 

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I don't think anyone in the scientific community even disputes that vaping is safer than smoking. That's why all the arguments center around The Children(TM) and "Normalizing Smoking."

Does anyone believe for one second, that if the ANTZ could prove a hazard with vaping, with all their money and power, they would have done so by now? As it stands, we have cross-sectional studies concluding things that even some of the ANTZ dispute, studies on brands of cigalikes that aren't even manufactured anymore, and a whole lot of hype.

You have to blow more steam than a chain sub-ohming vaper to say that it's not safer than smoking cigarettes.
 

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Personally, I'm getting a littled tired of this false reasoning and I don't think that makes me 'paranoid'.

Not smoking is safer than smoking. That is 100% true and should be celebrated.

However, because you (like me) used vaping to quit smoking you have ascribed all the benefits of quitting smoking to vaping.

It's just poor logic, but to each their own.

I think this is just a case of literary/verbal shorthand. When I say "I feel 10x better now that I'm vaping than I did when I was smoking," I am not attributing my feeling better directly to the vaping. I feel better because I'm not smoking, I'm not smoking because I'm vaping.

Edit: Put another way, I feel better now that I'm not smoking, despite the fact that I've picked up the habit of vaping.
 
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p.opus

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Personally, I'm getting a littled tired of this false reasoning and I don't think that makes me 'paranoid'.

Not smoking is safer than smoking. That is 100% true and should be celebrated.

However, because you (like me) used vaping to quit smoking you have ascribed all the benefits of quitting smoking to vaping.

It's just poor logic, but to each their own.

What false reasoning.

I am looking at two behaviors independently. Looking at the research done, and comparing those activities.

Is not vaping safer than vaping Yes...
Is not smoking safer than smoking Yes.

Is vaping safer than smoking? I believe so. Vaping does not have the mountains of evidence that smoking does. However, what evidence is there points to the fact that vaping IS safer than smoking.

I'll even go out on a limb and say I think vaping is safer than Chantix.

From the Chantix website:
What is the most important safety information about CHANTIX?
Some people have had changes in behavior, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions while using CHANTIX to help them quit smoking. Some people had these symptoms when they began taking CHANTIX, and others developed them after several weeks of treatment or after stopping CHANTIX. If you, your family, or caregiver notice agitation, hostility, depression, or changes in behavior, thinking, or mood that are not typical for you, or you develop suicidal thoughts or actions, anxiety, panic, aggression, anger, mania, abnormal sensations, hallucinations, paranoia, or confusion, stop taking CHANTIX and call your doctor right away. Also tell your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems before taking CHANTIX, as these symptoms may worsen while taking CHANTIX.

So if I look at Vaping/Smoking/Chantix as one of my smoking alternatives, I pick vaping.
 
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