Smokers outnumber any potential number of vapers we could have and it did them little good. Prepare for apocalypse and pray for Nirvana.
Are we going to win this war?
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Too many of us bought into the lies the ANTZ told and we believed that smoking was the oh so evil devil. I know I didn't fight back. I didn't know I could.
This time I'm fighting!
If by "they" you mean the extremists you are right, they do not nor will they ever care about the difference. If by "they" you mean the general population, you are wrong. My parents hate smoking but they are okay with vaping since I explained the difference, to the point I can vape in their house. I believe my parents are in the majority of the population that doesn't like smoking. Demonstrating the extremists are the minority will fall in place if we successfully separate vaping from smoking in the eyes of the majority. Just look at the battle with other stuff exemplified by Oregon and Colorado.
"They" as in politicians. The public in general that doesn't have a smoker/vaper in the house mostly could care less except for where it impacts them. Thus the "for the children" tirade the politicians use. They need John Public thinking about something other than the billions a day they are squandering on wars and handouts around the world.
I think we need to get the public to understand that nicotine by itself is not all that much different than caffeine.
If we can do that, I think that we will most definitely win the war.
Unfortunately, without the help of the mainstream media, that effort would take a very long time.
As for the rest, I agree that getting the public on our side is critical.
Any vaper that doesn't want to deal with restrictions better be educating everyone they know.
This makes sense to me.
What I see happening is what happened in so many areas - that is, ginormous corporate interests see a potential source of profit, and try mightily to coopt the vitality of pioneers. They end up cheapening and mass producing the original spirit of the thing, but generate massive profit for themselves in the process. Meanwhile, a tiny subculture market remains, populated by committed (some might say obsessive!) hobbyists or collectors or fans.
You see this in everything from music to fashion to modified motorcycles, and I think this will happen to ecigs, too. There's simply too much potential profit in this for it to be quashed entirely.
I was thinking of pulling together a packet of information, not only about e-cigs, but about all the money connections behind the scenes and sending to media outlets to try to get one of them to cover this story.
Just out of curiosity, I found this page What should we investigate? - News | NBC News
"We're about investigative reporting on topics that matter: corruption, conflicts of interest, broken systems, abuses by institutions and individuals with power, whether that's government, nonprofits, or the press itself."
I would imagine that most news outlets want the same thing, and our story certainly seems to have all the elements.
There are links to upload information and then contact information for them to follow up. I don't feel informed/expert enough to field any follow up details.
Maybe we need a Media/PR director in CASAA?
In addition to getting our story out for free using these types of outlets, maybe a crowd funding effort to pay for advertising?
Just out of curiosity, I found this page What should we investigate? - News | NBC News
"We're about investigative reporting on topics that matter: corruption, conflicts of interest, broken systems, abuses by institutions and individuals with power, whether that's government, nonprofits, or the press itself."
I would imagine that most news outlets want the same thing, and our story certainly seems to have all the elements.
There are links to upload information and then contact information for them to follow up. I don't feel informed/expert enough to field any follow up details.
Maybe we need a Media/PR director in CASAA?
In addition to getting our story out for free using these types of outlets, maybe a crowd funding effort to pay for advertising?
THIS is an important point. I'm going to ask my brother and daughter to join CASAA, even if they want to uncheck the 'general' email option and just keep the California option.
It will bump the numbers.
Once this stuff gets to the committee level, I have asked family members to write to their legislators and have the FIRST LINE of their letter state that they neither smoke nor vape, and would NEVER support my smoking, but they DO support my vaping.
The politicians care about votes. The ANTZ had been convincing the politicians that the voters will go along with the ANTZ propaganda. We have to show it is less true every day, and trending the OPPOSITE direction, FAST!
CASAA doesn't have that much money, though there is some discussion how to do better in this area. The LAST "investigation" NBC did was all against us, IIRC it was like the CDC junk -- flavors, kids, etc. But hey, maybe that has changed. It's almost-temping to email them the ALA's "Liar of the Year" award from the THR lies forum, but it may be too early for that. It CERTAINLY could not stand alone, backup docs would need to be sent with it.
The reason I'm asking for help from artists and a photographer is that T-shirts and bumper stickers are crowd advertising where, by definition, each donor gets to pick their own size and color and when to "air" (wear) the ad. (I'm on the "Art Committee" for casaa)
VERY interesting URL got posted on a casaa forum -- this also leads to some tools etc.:
LegiScan | Bringing People to the Process
LegiScan | Bringing People to the Process
Having fought in a war, I would call this a confrontation at best. For vapers it is not going to go back 30 years where you could smoke anywhere you wanted. We will end up following the same rules as there are for tobacco. If you quit smoking and used vaping to do so then you won your own war.
While I agree with this, I have a big problem with it being the outcome.
There are millions and millions of smokers still out there...
And in this scenario, the chances of them making the switch start going down instead of up.
This is how it will play out. The fantasy of vaping anywhere and everywhere is just that- a fantasy. Not in this country...
If that's the case, then maybe we should be very concerned about the increasing absurdity of the spreading smoking bans...
Public beaches?
Public parks?
In your own car with a child present?
Public housing?
Anywhere on a college campus?
Entire football stadiums?
What's next?
While I agree with this, I have a big problem with it being the outcome.
There are millions and millions of smokers still out there...
And in this scenario, the chances of them making the switch start going down instead of up.
the end result of the many, many details lost over even the most minuscule of losses many will consider a win.
innovation will surely suffer greatly stifling the hobby and the hobbyist and regular daily vaper alike.
This government wants to control every aspect of our lives. We haven't lived under a socialist regime, so don't cherish our freedoms. We have let it happen and will continue to let it happen, until the breaking point. In my case, exodus is the final solution...
When you figure out where to go, please let me know.
Although, knowing you, my guess would be Czechoslovakia?
When you figure out where to go, please let me know.
Although, knowing you, my guess would be Czechoslovakia?
My heart lies in the Czech Republic. I have experienced freedom in a country which truly has a laissez-faire attitude towards the government. They value personal freedom more than anything. They fought for it for 40 years and won their freedom during the Velvet Revolution. They will never again head in the direction we are going...
There can be no victory if junk science and sensational journalism keeps turning natural allies into fervent detractors. Most unfortunately, "career politicians" are not much more than salesmen and con artists. If we allow them to steer the debate, and base it on fear and emotion, we're lost. Vaping prohibition will end up being enforced by the DEA, and prisons populations will swell. It's happened before when large corporations have too much to lose.
Even if we win the war, the government will probably start to tax vaping to make up for the lost revenue.
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