Are we shooting ourselves in the foot by using the term 'E Cigarette'?

[happily]

I love it. Kids propagandized to accuse their parents of drug abuse.

Everyone uses drugs. Anyone who says they don't is full of ****. Caffeine, nicotine, aspirin, alcohol... the list goes on and on. There's not a single human being on the planet that doesn't use one drug or another. The problem is the black and white language of the culture war against certain drugs. There's no distinction made between drug use and drug abuse. There are millions of people who drink but are not alcoholics. There are millions of people who smoke who are not abusive smokers. There are millions of people who use pot who are not addicted. There are millions of people who drink coffee who don't abuse caffeine. But the mainstream community doesn't want to admit that there's such a thing as responsible drug usage. It undermines too many lucrative avenues. The perception is that there's more money to be made and more power to be consolidated by demonizing drugs than there is to recognize the reality.

Yeah I woulda let the school have it but wanted my kids to think cigs were bad. So I chose to educate them. ( novel idea huh)

I'm just saying that if a cop walks up to me I'm not going to call it a personal vaporizer or anything like that. I'd call it an electronic cigarette. It's helping me to quit smoking.

I'd definitely agree with that..

 

[Surf Monkey]

I'm just saying that if a cop walks up to me I'm not going to call it a personal vaporizer or anything like that. I'd call it an electronic cigarette. It's helping me to quit smoking.

What difference does it make what you call it to a policeman? They're not illegal. Call it a .......n .... plug if you want. Until they're deemed illegal, you're not doing anything wrong no matter what you happen to call it.

 

[solonguniverse]

What difference does it make what you call it to a policeman? They're not illegal. Call it a .......n .... plug if you want. Until they're deemed illegal, you're not doing anything wrong no matter what you happen to call it.

I know they're not illegal. I consider that a blessing. Maybe I've just had bad experiences with the police. I've gone to court for things I wasn't even in the vicinity for. We just aren't on very good terms.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I know they're not illegal. I consider that a blessing. Maybe I've just had bad experiences with the police. I've gone to court for things I wasn't even in the vicinity for. We just aren't on very good terms.

I can relate to that. I've had far more negative interactions with the authorities than positive ones. Mainly I was just being snarky. There's no reason to be a **** to a cop just for the hell of it... but it would be fun to rub it in his face if he gave you a hard time about your vaporizer.

 

[solonguniverse]

I can relate to that. I've had far more negative interactions with the authorities than positive ones. Mainly I was just being snarky. There's no reason to be a **** to a cop just for the hell of it... but it would be fun to rub it in his face if he gave you a hard time about your vaporizer.

Haha...yeah. I've read a few of your posts and I didn't think we'd really disagree too badly. You seem like a level-headed guy.

 

[Surf Monkey]

You seem like a level-headed guy.

I'm glad someone here thinks so!

 

[solonguniverse]

Really it makes perfect sense to keep the name e-cigarette. If we can convince people it isn't an alternative for getting our nicotine, but a nicotine therapy product they're bound to accept it more readily if they think we're trying to quit. Nicorette and the patch get no flak whatsoever and I know people who use them habitually. I guess it's kind of playing on their pity for our addiction to smoking, but...

 

[mellowdowneasy]

How about "nicotine inhaler" ? Simple, plain, direct.

Bad place for my first post but wanted to jump in! I have only had a "nicotine inhaler" for 3 weeks. I am a 30+ year smoker,2+pks a day habit.(Really closer to 3pks a day). Today I have smoked 2 cigarettes 1 cigarette at work. I have never ever smoked under 1 pk a day at work.30+ plus yrs.

IMHO this is an amazing device! The health side of it has to be pushed to get it approved. When I show my rm4081(I'm a newb ). I get more approval when I say I am trying to quit smoking. Rather then I can use it anywhere and you cant do nothing about it.( I have used it in 1 restaurant with managments approvel. I did not vapor up a storm,I was low key)

The real question is the liquid. And the long term affects of the liquid on the body. I know its in a lot of products but not the amount we are taking in a day. That is not a fast answer.

Dont forget Big tobacco behind closed doors or the government with there big tobacco tax coffers. The "nicotine inhaler" or "electronic nicotine inhaler" is the future. Both may (will) try to stomp it into the ground right away.

If it does get approved IMHO double ,triple prices on liquid.

All I know is I am going to finally quit smoking cigs.

I had to put my lighters away, Not thinking I try to light my e cig .Luckily I have not melted any batts yet

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

I've come to a realization- there should be a formal name, and everyone can call them whatever they want slangily. My vote for a formal name:

Mist Producing Inhaler with Nicotine

If someone decided to use the PV for some other substance, you just replace Nicotine with whatever (Vitamin B for instance). For those who use non-nicotine liquid:

Mist Producing Inhaler

So, MPI, MPIN, MPIV-B, etc. in a formal setting. If you want to be slangy about it, call it whatever you want.

 

[hobbes4]

V-Unit sounds kinda catchy.

 

[Surf Monkey]

V-Unit is pretty cool.

It seems to me that we're reaching a point where PV or Personal Vaporizer is replacing Electronic Cigarette. I see PV used more often than e-cig or whatever now. It's not particularly sexy. On the other hand it's very neutral, and that's a good thing.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

It is a little hard to change the name when every patient applied for in the US, the UK, and China, as well as elsewhere by Ruyan, NJOY, and others have applied under the name electornic cigarette and the ones granted so far are all under that name. You could change the trade name, but as a legal entity, they will always be an "electronic cigarette" ---------Sun

 

[Surf Monkey]

The legality is a separate issue. We don't call it tissue paper, we call it Kleenex. I think the more important issue is what the common name is going to be. It's a political and marketing concern more than a legal one. Political in the sense that we need to find something that appeals to anti-smoking advocates and decouples vaporizers from cigarettes. The courts can call them whatever they want.

 

[e-pipeman]

The legality is a separate issue. We don't call it tissue paper, we call it Kleenex. I think the more important issue is what the common name is going to be. It's a political and marketing concern more than a legal one. Political in the sense that we need to find something that appeals to anti-smoking advocates and decouples vaporizers from cigarettes. The courts can call them whatever they want.

And I'm sure that the courts will - and there lies our problem. At present we have a global post-code lottery with regard to PVs. Turkey, Australia, Hong Kong - it's just illegal. Why? Well, maybe one of these countries needs to sell tobacco. Maybe another one is trying to get into bed with the anti-tobacco lobby in Europe. And maybe the third finds it too much of a risk to be handling these products as they are a major international port.

The sad thing is that countries that limit or prevent the use of PVs are effectively promoting the use of tobacco as a combustible product. And this in the 21st century...