Ares, new MTL RTA designed by Phil Busardo and Dimitirs Agrafiotis

[G-Fog]

Back on track
This Ares is a great little tank

 

[Katya]

Well, I agree that the term micro coils to denote contact coils should be dropped--it just confuses the heck out of people, especially new vapers. Contact vs spaced is the correct term.

The question remains, what do we do with drip tips? Nobody drips through them any more.

Or mods? Nobody modifies flashlights or Altoid tins to make more powerful and longer lasting power sources (?). Come to think of it, we don't even have a proper term for the two most important components we use and talk about daily--bottoms and tops of of our devices. We started with "battery" and "atomizer" or "cartomizer" when all we had were cigalikes? But what do we call them now? Battery (no, battery now just means battery), mod (it's not), power source (give me a break), PV (didn't take). Any ideas? And the thing that goes on top of the bottom part? Attys or atties )), toppers, tanks, clearos, juice delivery devices?

Not to mention sub-ohming, which really doesn't mean what it used to mean when the term was first introduced.

Carry on!

 

[ShaneR42]

I long for the days before vaping when a "cigarette" meant a "cigarette". Ahhh....to be stupid again. Those were the days. lol

But yes, back on track...Canada post says my Ares should arrive Thursday. Looking forward to it and am interested to see how it fares.

 

[Katya]

Why they chose that particular position for the sky deck - I don't know. If it would've been lower the chimney would've been longer and the vape cooler. Obviously we talking about the same tank height. May be that how they like to vape? Personally I am fine with the vape temperature. I am using clapton coil 0.8 ohm @ 23W with the supplied non-curved mouth piece and it's slightly warm, subjective of course.

Back on topic. I agree. I'm just generally surprised that they chose the Siren as their inspiration, considering that Phil (and also Dimitri) are both big fans of the Kayfuns. Why not start with the granddaddy of all tanks (RBAs, RTAs ) and make it even better--more airflow choices (maybe add a few AFC restrictors in 2-2.6 mm range), better way to trap the wire (those screws are too fiddly), and go from there? I'm still scratching my head.

 

[ScottP]

Positive thoughts, I guess. She's an awesome GM though, how the heck does that work????

Easy, you care how your children turn out and if they succeed or fail at least some of it is on you. Your grand kids aren't for you to raise, so you can spoil them all you want, and if they succeed or fail, that is on your kids, not you.

Well, I agree that the term micro coils to denote contact coils should be dropped--it just confuses the heck out of people, especially new vapers. Contact vs spaced is the correct term.

The question remains, what do we do with drip tips? Nobody drips through them any more.

Or mods? Nobody modifies flashlights or Altoid tins to make more powerful and longer lasting power sources (?). Come to think of it, we don't even have a proper term for the two most important components we use and talk about daily--bottoms and tops of of our devices. We started with "battery" and "atomizer" or "cartomizer" when all we had were cigalikes? But what do we call them now? Battery (no, battery now just means battery), mod (it's not), power source (give me a break), PV (didn't take). Any ideas? And the thing that goes on top of the bottom part? Attys or atties )), toppers, tanks, clearos, juice delivery devices?

Not to mention sub-ohming, which really doesn't mean what it used to mean when the term was first introduced.

Carry on!

Drip tip should be changed to mouth piece. I already fought the "mod" fight 5 years ago. I agree "mod" means "modified" and nearly no one is using a "modified" device. I think they should be called PV's (Personal Vaporizers) or something like that.

"Sub-ohming" seems pretty straight forward as using a coil that measures less than 1 ohm.

 

[Katya]

Drip tip should be changed to mouth piece. I already fought the "mod" fight 5 years ago. I agree "mod" means "modified" and nearly no one is using a "modified" device. I think they should be called PV's (Personal Vaporizers) or something like that.

Can't fight the will of the people.

"Sub-ohming" seems pretty straight forward as using a coil that measures less than 1 ohm.

Yes and no. Sub-ohming (the original term) meant using Kanthal or NiChrome coils--and it meant just that, builds under 1Ω, and often involved mechanical mods )) and higher power, more clouds etc.

With the advent of TC vaping, the term sub-ohm lost its original (high power, big clouds) connotation--almost every TC coil, even the most tootle-puffing, MTL coil, is a sub-ohm coil--and I know that it confuses new vapers who don't quite understand the difference.

 

[Fredman1]

I was wondering if they used the Sirens as inspiration. Phil actually says I one video...."imagine our surprise when a certain tank came on the market" (I take it to be the Siren 2), and that led me to believe maybe they didn't use it as inspiration...did they?
Anyway I don't want to sound negative or unimpressed, but this looks to me like just another good tank. I'm following this thread in the hope of seeing WOWs or even something to the effect of a potential game changer...not !
Suppose that's not what they intend it to be either. They're targeting a different market....!
I'm actually sitting here very glad and proud of myself for not falling over myself (like I used to soooo many times) and just ordering because of reasonable to good reviews. I've blown way to much money in the past, and the wife's murmurings and head shakings actually starts to make sense to me now. Time to slow things down, wait and think with the head some...
Bottom line ...it just don't blow me away. Maybe/Hopefully the next edition will...if its 22mm and a WOW flavour machine

 

[ShaneR42]

So...I just read a comment by Dimitri on facebook when asked about the draw compared to the Nautilus 2:

"The smallest hole on the Ares is comparable to Nautilus 2 wide open. However keep in mind, Ares is a rebuidlable so the draw is a bit different."

Oh oh. Think I made a mistake hitting the buy button on this one. Should have went with my gut...guess I'll find out for sure later this week, as I heard differently in this thread. lol

 

[Katya]

I was wondering if they used the Sirens as inspiration. Phil actually says I one video that we where surprised when a certain tank came on the market (obvious the Siren 2), and that led me to believe maybe they didn't use it as inspiration...did they?

OK, I don't want to be that person, but the more I think about it, the more disturbed I am about the whole thing.

The facts: Phil did a thorough review of the original Digi Siren in November 2016 and he loved it ("nice warm vape" ):



If he wanted to improve/build on/follow the design of the original, why didn't he simply approach the Digiflavor and worked with them? That would have been the most natural and fair thing to do. Why take somebody else's basic design, take it to Innokin and pretend that it's their "baby" (Phil's term he uses in YouTube comments to reviewers of Ares)--and not even acknowledge the original designer at all?

I've seen several reviews of the Siren(s) and the Ares and, well, basically, it's the same tank. Yes, P + D tweaked it a bit, but Digiflavor also tweaked their original design, in all fairness.

I say this with all due respect to Phil and Dimitri and all they have done for vaping. Phil has always been my go-to reviewer and tutor and I've learned a lot from him; this is not about to change.

Just... SMH

 

[Nailz]

The only 2 things same as the digiflavor siren, is the build deck is raised, digiflavor was not the 1st company to do that, and the airflow diffuser on the build deck, otherwise everything is different, just like any bottom deck tank is basically the same as the kayfun, is only so many different ways to do a tank, so it would be similar to another tank on the market, they never said they was reinventing the wheel

 

[Fredman1]

Nah to me this is a gloryfied/modified Siren. I'm happy to be proved wrong, but that is what I saw when I first set eyes on it...still do
They went to great lengths in the videos motivating why they went with Innokin. Either way Digiflavour can't be to happy, and it would be interesting to see where this goes to in future..if anywhere.

 

[tearose50]

And, as any early Siren followers know, the version one was pretty popular in 22mm around here and sold out everywhere. When directly asked, Digi said they were not planning on making more. There are/were some other similar tanks of which I do not recall the names.

Perhaps Digi found out about the Ares and quickly produced a Siren II?

Or, Digi simply wasn't interested?

No sense speculating -- only Demi and PB and know how it all came about. I just know that if I were a reviewer and wanted to come out with a product, I'd choose to use the manufacturers I had good experiences with.

 

[Katdarling]

I have one, like the flavor and ease of putting on a coil and a wick, but there is a big gap between the tank and mod when using on an MVP4. Same with the Coolfire 4 18650 and the Coolfire mini

Where have you been, deary!!!!!!! (miss ya!)


I'm in purple, within your post below.

The question remains, what do we do with drip tips? Nobody drips through them any more.

Tips? Does that sound au curant? I have no prob with drip tips as an identifier, but I can see how newbs might be confused. Mouth pieces? I dunno, Ya, , , sounds like a night guard.


Or mods? Nobody modifies flashlights or Altoid tins to make more powerful and longer lasting power sources (?).


I'm with you on "mods", but it's become old hat to refer to them that way. Habit, bay'bee. I tend to (= try to) call them devices, but even THAT word can be interpreted.


Come to think of it, we don't even have a proper term for the two most important components we use and talk about daily--bottoms and tops of of our devices. We started with "battery" and "atomizer" or "cartomizer" when all we had were cigalikes? But what do we call them now? Battery (no, battery now just means battery), mod (it's not), power source (give me a break), PV (didn't take). Any ideas? And the thing that goes on top of the bottom part? Attys or atties )), toppers, tanks, clearos, juice delivery devices?

I can't help you too much here. The bottom is a vaporizer (to me), or a device (soooooooo generic). The atty, tank, clearo, or "jdd" is a topper. I named it such and haven't let go.

Carry on!

I already fought the "mod" fight 5 years ago. I agree "mod" means "modified" and nearly no one is using a "modified" device. I think they should be called PV's (Personal Vaporizers) or something like that.

"Sub-ohming" seems pretty straight forward as using a coil that measures less than 1 ohm.

And I fought the term JUICE (tooth and nail) for all these years. E-Liquid or V-Liquid. mmm hmmm.

Didn't do any good, but it DID make me smile.

 

[Fredman1]

Kat you're such a darlink you know...you've got That way with the words..

Seriously..one thing that does bother me with the Siren (and looks like its similar with the Ares) is that wee little space between the chimney and glass...yeah it gets weirder..
Sometimes I like to mix a few liquids (just for the hell of it) in one tank..little bit of this...little bit of that...and some WTA. Sometimes it works wonders and I can't remember what I did..
Anyway that damn gap can't let me do that in the Siren. I can't tilt and shake it up. It just lays in layers...
Yeah I know its my silly problem..just thought i'll throw my little thumbs down into the mix...

 

[Katdarling]

Kat you're such a darlink you know...you've got That way with the words..

Seriously..one thing that does bother me with the Siren (and looks like its similar with the Ares) is that wee little space between the chimney and glass...yeah it gets weirder..
Sometimes I like to mix a few liquids (just for the hell of it) in one tank..little bit of this...little bit of that...and some WTA. Sometimes it works wonders and I can't remember what I did..
Anyway that damn gap can't let me do that in the Siren. I can't tilt and shake it up. It just lays in layers...
Yeah I know its my silly problem..just thought i'll throw my little thumbs down into the mix...

Why, thank you, Fred! You've also got kwite the wayward words.

Gaps. Gaps are a BAD thing, and in this case LACK O' GAP is a bad thing!

Gaposis fix for non-flush mods, I mean batteries, I mean TOPPERS.

 

[tearose50]

I'd suggest Vaping Device, but those initials sure have another connotation.

I think we better stay with mods & attys, because by the time we come up with a good name for a modified flashlight container with a now fairly universal connection (aka 510 connection) to various atomizing configurations....the self contained systems may take over.

Besides, I have a flashlight topper.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

That is either really bad or really funny. Speaking of, we can't forget "there", "their", and "they're" or "to", "too" and "two" when reading people's posts.

Oh, I think most people here got my point. Supposably, over 70% of the people on this forum are pretty smart. The other half just won't get it. (and I covered "to")

 

[52anddone]

And, as any early Siren followers know, the version one was pretty popular in 22mm around here and sold out everywhere. When directly asked, Digi said they were not planning on making more. There are/were some other similar tanks of which I do not recall the names.

Perhaps Digi found out about the Ares and quickly produced a Siren II?

Or, Digi simply wasn't interested?

No sense speculating -- only Demi and PB and know how it all came about. I just know that if I were a reviewer and wanted to come out with a product, I'd choose to use the manufacturers I had good experiences with.

You are absolutely correct tearose, several of us sent Digiflavor emails and messages on GeekVapes web site, and they told each and every one of us that they would NOT be making any more Siren's. I can't believe that I forgot that little bit of trivia. Thank You for reminding me of that.

Phil and Dimitri both said that Phil kept stopping production to fix different things about the Ares and change his design and was delaying the tanks debut, so who knows how long P&D have been working on this thing. Maybe Digiflavor saying that they were going to stop production of the Siren made them decide to start the Ares project. Who Knows ???

 

[Brewdawg1181]

But hey, back on track for me too. I was pretty excited for this tank, at least until the last couple of days of this thread. I figured it to be a Siren derivative (which it is, except for....), with a little Berserker mixed in (which it is- face it- this looks almost just like a Siren with a Berserker chimney + Nascar badging), with a few improvements and problems fixed. Maybe even a little better vape? But I'm a little concerned about a couple of things after reading this. The warmth with the high skydeck should be an easy fix with a different drip tip (sorry, mouthpiece!). While I like the convenience of not completely removing the cap, I do worry a little about the long-term reliability of the sliding cap. It can't be as positive a seal as a screwtop with o-ring. It seems to be common to have leakage/seepage already, before any wear. And yeah, how do you remove it to clean? Hey, I'm a tightwad who likes to recoil & rewick a lot. That's a lot of juice I'll be throwing away each time I toss those long wicks (although with diy cost, it's not any kind of deal killer). I'm a tank-mixer too, with every single tank Fredman, and if I can't mix it up, that'll be a real negative.

Jury is still out for me, though. If I keep hearing really good things about the actual vape, I'm in. Even with those negatives, it still seems to make some pretty good improvements, and I was ready to order the Siren 2 after my disappointment with the air-diluted vape of the Prime before I heard this was coming out.

 

[Fredman1]

Why, thank you, Fred! You've also got kwite the wayward words.

Ha Ha its not by choice though...English isn't my first choice of language. I'm stumbling through it, but won't give up...i'll get there...or maybe somewhere in the end...