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I almost always have an opinion:D

I do not think much of the article (or the marketing site it came from) frankly.

With smoking and many other things not specifically mentioned in Scripture, the intent of the heart is what determines whether or not an action is sinful. I cannot know the intentions of anyone's heart but my own--and even with my own I can deceive myself--so I am no capable of saying whether or not something like that is sinful.

It is the same with drinking alcohol (not drunkenness, mind you, just drinking alcohol period). It certainly *can* be sinful, but it is not sinful per se.

I think it is far more sinful to take something I do not personally do, then claim that all who do it are in sin, while overlooking my own sins. That is called "pride," and is worse than most anything else, because it is the worship of myself.
 

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"Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything." 1 Corinthians 6:12

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body," 1 Corinthians 6:19-20

I think that anything that causes harm to our bodies causes us to sin. Whenever I break and smoke a cig, I do feel my body being damaged and I do feel as if I have sinned and am a slave to something other than God. vaping on the otherhand is different - high nicotine levels are both good and bad for us so I guess that if we really love Jesus we should work on giving up even vaping....
 

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I lived with guilt for the decades I smoked. I never felt it was okay for me as a Christian. It wasn't a 'you're going to hell for this sin, sort of thing, because no one goes to hell for sinning. Christ on the cross took care of that, thank God (literally), and I knew that. People go to hell for rejecting Christ.

I always believed smoking was a sin. The guilt I lived with came from the verses already quoted but not insignificantly from this one:

"It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak." Romans 14:21 KJV

I felt like a bad example that would serve to justify others in their particular choice of sin. My smoking was a secret sin that I considered a character weakness, something I was ashamed of. I'll never forget our son telling me how much he thought of his university's president who said that, "Anything that calls itself Christian should have quality written all over it." I didn't think of my smoking as very high quality.

But I will say this. Jesus was more concerned with the inward sins of those who were so careful to wash themselves on the outside. Matt 23 is packed full of his scathing rebuke of those hypocrites who omitted the weightier matters of the law....judgment, mercy, and faith...etc, etc, etc. Read it.

When I smoked I felt I was abusing the Spirit of grace. Yes, I knew smoking would not send me to hell, but I also knew Jesus wanted better from me not just for my sake but for the sake of all others eternally influenced by me.
 
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I'm sure I have an OCD personality and smoking has always been a tool to calm me down and help me relax.

Giving up cigarettes has been something I've tried to do many times. I have quit cold turkey, lasted three months and started again. I just missed it like I had lost my best friend. I did Chantix, Wellbutrin, the patch and all the other quit smoking aids. I would quit for a month or three months, then one night I would stop and buy a pack of cigarettes and it would be like I never quit.

I felt I was letting Jesus down. He had given His life for me and I couldn't even give up one thing for Him.

I still have not come to terms with how I feel about smoking......is it a sin or not? I know it damages my body and will shorten my life. I hope that using ecigs is healthier but that isn't really known at this time. It is still an addiction.

If I compare nicotine to caffeine, I don't feel it's a sin. I've never felt condemned because I drink coffee. Is it a thorn in the flesh or is it just a bad habit. I don't know.
I just don't want it to ever be more important to me than Jesus. And I guess that's the part that bothers me. Does it occupy more of my time and my mind than Jesus does.

As you can tell, I'm definely confused on this issue and trying to pray my way through it.

Please forgive me for rambling but I wondered if anyone else struggles with the same issues.

And thewomenfolk, I do understand how you feel. It's a secret sin for me too. I have discussed it with my pastor but most people from my church don't know I smoke. My pastor said there were a lot of other smokers in our church so I guess it's more prevelent than I thought.
 
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My church follows the belief that your body is indeed a temple of the Lord, and bad things you put in it is a sin. I don't drink, so that's not been a problem; but I HAVE smoked for over 45 years. I've tried several times to quit. I've prayed for help, but it didn't seem to help. Then I found the e-cig and asked for Jesus' help again. This time He did not let me down. In fact, I've asked Him for help with many things that have happened in the last seven years. He's always been there. I'm reminded of what a friend told me years ago...God ALWAYS answers prayer; but not always in the way YOU want.

"Oh that you would bless me indeed and enlarge my territory, that Your hand would be with me, and that You would keep me from evil."
1 Chronicles 4:10
 

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Maybe it is because I am in a tobacco state that the culture is different, even in the churches.

I do know of churches that thought it was a sin for *women* to smoke, but not men, but not many churches around here (until everyone jumped on the anti-smoking band wagon) taught their members that smoking was sinful.

I guess it was hard to when 80 percent of the population in these parts either had a tobacco allotment or had a relative who had one...
 
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Maybe we spend too much time thinking about sin and not enough time thinking about the love of the Lord. I do not drink but I think Jesus turned water into wine and not grape juice. If I was even a casual drinker I would probably fill guilty about drinking. We know that adultery is sin but Jesus said, Let those without sin cast the first stone. Maybe we just need to avoid the rocks.
 

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"Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him," 1 John 2:15

I'm comig to realize that anything that we are fond of in this world hinders our relationship with God. It's so hard! I'm finding that literally EVERYTHING I do throughout the day is preventing me from praying and studying the Word of God - even food, family, and friends! I think that this is the ultimate struggle we all have to conquer to fulfill what Jesus desires for us.
 

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Not yet but Jesus affirms time and time again that love of God supercedes love of even family! I know that this message is radical but who are we to soften and rationalize Jesus' words?

" 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'38This is the first and greatest commandment. " Matthew 22

"26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. 27 And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. "Luke 14

"46While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."[a]

48He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." Matthew 12



Kevin, did the Father bless you with a wife and children?
 
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I understand that, and it is very important, but if and when He does bless you with a wife and children, that means He has entrusted them into your care, and your love and care for them in no way detracts from your love of the Father. In fact, your love and care for them will be *proof* of your love for the Father.

Paul likened the relationship to that of Christ and His church. Christ certainly does not hate His church, His body.

And if we break off all relationships thinking they "get in the way" of our relationship with God, how can we do what Jesus has instructed us to do?
 

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My pastor discussed this yesterday. He clarified that what Jesus is saying is that if any relationship with even family members is hindering our relationship with God, it's time to change that relationship and even reject it if it is not founded on God's love. I know that human relationships are natural and that we all desire and need them but if they turn us away from God we should break them. Christ does not hate his Church nor his body but he also says that only those who follow him and carry out God's will are his true family. I think that there is a fine and very dangerous line in loving one another because many times this will detract from our love of God by distracting us from God because we all know that physical love (both sexual and non-sexual) has a very powerful influence on our behaviors and many times (possibly even most of the time?) relationships based on what we feel, both emotionally and physically, can displace our love for God. Even Jesus denied that his own mother was special and taught that even this special bond should be broken if it prevents us from carrying our cross. Another example of this is the high prevalence of pre-marital sex among Christians - if they really loved God with all their heart, mind, and soul, they would not yield to mere physical and emotional forces in contradiction of God's commands. If we break off relationships because they hinder our relationship with God, we are showing that we truly love God and in a way, this frees us from loving only a few favored individuals, thus allowing us to love more people and carry out to a greater extent what Jesus instructed us to do.
I understand that, and it is very important, but if and when He does bless you with a wife and children, that means He has entrusted them into your care, and your love and care for them in no way detracts from your love of the Father. In fact, your love and care for them will be *proof* of your love for the Father.

Paul likened the relationship to that of Christ and His church. Christ certainly does not hate His church, His body.

And if we break off all relationships thinking they "get in the way" of our relationship with God, how can we do what Jesus has instructed us to do?
 
I would hope that your pastor was not saying if a man feels his wife is hindering his relationship with God that he should divorce her--that is what I was getting at.

If you have a pastor that says that, you need a new pastor8-o

If God gives you a gift--and a spouse is one of the most precious gifts He gives us in this life--He expects us to love and care for that spouse as much as we love and care for ourselves, because we are one flesh in His sight.

And "hate" does not mean what we mean when we say "hate." God said "I loved Jacob and hated Esau," but he sure blessed the heck out of Esau. Not what we would call "hate" at all.

If He meant "hate" the way we mean it, He was telling His children to be misanthropic loners which doesn't square with His other commands;)
 

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Who are we to question what Jesus said? Why the emphasis on human relationship over God? If we have relationships not centered around God they are not gifts of God which is the reason such relationships fail. Jesus, in his own words, taught again and again that loving God is the greatest of all commandments and that nothing on earth, even marriage, should ever come before us and God. Can I ask you an honest question? If you are married, compare how much time you spend with your wife against the time you spend with God and you will find out who you really love more.

" 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'38This is the first and greatest commandment. " Matthew 22

"26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. 27 And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. "Luke 14

"46While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."[a]

48He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." Matthew 12

I would hope that your pastor was not saying if a man feels his wife is hindering his relationship with God that he should divorce her--that is what I was getting at.

If you have a pastor that says that, you need a new pastor8-o

If God gives you a gift--and a spouse is one of the most precious gifts He gives us in this life--He expects us to love and care for that spouse as much as we love and care for ourselves, because we are one flesh in His sight.

And "hate" does not mean what we mean when we say "hate." God said "I loved Jacob and hated Esau," but he sure blessed the heck out of Esau. Not what we would call "hate" at all.

If He meant "hate" the way we mean it, He was telling His children to be misanthropic loners which doesn't square with His other commands;)
 
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Vaping....
My take on whether or not it is a sin is based on whether or not vaping comes before God. I am not one to judge but a while ago I read somewhere that a drummer for a church band, in between songs ducked behind his drums, vaped a few drags and then went on to the next song durring worship. After I got done laughing because it was funny picturing this guy do this, I realized that if he does not become obidient to his time with God as a minister of music, he will lose out on potential blessings. Another thing is that he's vaping while on the pulpit. Again, I am not to judge but if it were me, I would repent. I am the music director in my church, I vape like crazy, but not in church and God forbid durring worship.

I'm not bashing, just trying to use that as an example of how an addiction to anything, when it causes one to satisfy the addiction before satisfying God, in my book, can be considered a sin.

Thank God for his mercy and Grace.

Family, wives, husbands etc......

There is nothing more beautiful than having God and Jesus in the center of your marriage. However, for many, this is not the case.

When family gets in the way of your relationship with God, it is not for us to separate ourselves from them but rather to pray for them. We also have to love them were they are at and have faith the God will make a way for them to have that relationship with God like we do. The Bible does not encourage divorce unless under certain situations (adultery for example) so how can one separate themselves from family and still be according to the word? The separation that we should be involved in is the separation between ourselves and the cardinal ways of the world. Family that is not "saved" lack understanding and are at a different spiritual level than we are. We are not to condem them, but rather pray for them and get them saved so that we are all in the same spiritual page.

With regards to time with God vs. time with family and the rest of the world. It is true that the more time you spend with God the better, but also understand that God made 1 day out of the 7 a day of sabbath. That is the minimum you should be dedicating to God. Becasue of his mercy and grace, God does understand that we have family obligations, he does understand that we have our jobs to go to etc. Our time with him should be persnal and in private but God will never gauge or judge a person based on the amount of time you spend with him.

In the morning when one wakes up, acknowledge and give thanks to the Lord. When one is commuting to work, you can spend time with the Lord, when you take your work breaks, spend time with the Lord etc. You see, no matter how busy you are, you can always make time.

Spending time with the Lord is to better your relationship with him, not about how much time you spend away from your family because you are in several different ministries.

Jesus went to go visit Mary and Martha. One spent time with the Lord while the other worked her .... off in the kitchen preparing a meal. Who did Jesus appreciate more?

So in conclusion, as Christians, we are to walk in love. Yes, God's love is greater than anything else in the universe but he also has mercy and grace to give as well. Love family more than ever and show them what Agape love is all about. They will come to understand and will come to the Lord.

I am speaking from personal experiences.

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Can I ask you an honest question? If you are married, compare how much time you spend with your wife against the time you spend with God and you will find out who you really love more.

Yes, I am married, but I have a husband and not a wife;)

I spend my entire day with the Father. We do everything together. My husband goes to work for the day and comes home, then we all have a great time together.

My husband is a precious gift from God. He does not hinder my relationship with God, nor is he a distraction. He has been entrusted to me, to allow God to show His love for my husband through me.

God would *never* tell someone to divorce their spouse. He hates divorce. He *allowed* it for a time because of the hardness of peoples' hearts, but it was never intended to be an option.

I am not "second-guessing" Jesus--I am taking the whole counsel of His word. He gave me a job to do. It is a permanent position till I die. I intend to be employee of the year, too, with His help.
 

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I apologize for my post - I forgot that Jesus also taught love of others after love of God!

I've also been having too many relationships, even within my Church, that have been distracting me from God which is why I seemed to be anti-relationship in my recent posts. I think this reflects that I lack the spiritual strength to love others while still loving God above all.
 
"It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak." Romans 14:21 KJV

This verse got me. It was not a good witness to be a smoker in a society that is becoming smoke free. When you smoke the smell lingers on you and when your trying to witness that smell is a bad thing.
Then there is the health issue, and being mastered by something other than God. I too have tried everything to quit. Ecigs have been the first thing that has worked.
I will eventually taper down on the nicotine and quit vaping all together. I'm shooting for a year.
In the mean time I know a few Christians who smoke and want to quit. I'm going to introduce them to vaping and pray the Lord uses it in their life like He has in mine.
Plus I feel better, and that is a blessing.
In all that you do whether you eat or you drink, do all for the glory of God.
Finding a way to quit smoking was a blessing and for the Glory of God I'll help others to quit as well.
As far as smoking being a sin...I don't think it's a sin if you can put it down at anytime, but who of us who used to smoke or are still smoking can do that?
The bible says not to get drunk it does not say not to drink, so smoking can be in the same category, smoke but don't get addicted.
We will never be perfected this side of the grave, and thank the Lord that He came as our propitiation. Do we sin and take advantage of God's grace? as Paul said "God forbid", but He knows we have struggles and He uses these struggle to develop in us the fruits of the spirit.
Just the very fact that we even consider that we may be doing something to offend God is in itself a good thing.
 
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