Attack of the (Kayfun Mini V3) Clones!

[paladinx]

Watch Phil put the deck together in his video and you'll understand (18 min or so). Notice that he didn't use the paperclip and moved the pos bloc plate out of place--don't do that!

I see thanks for the post. I am wonder what exactly made it move. Can you make the weird nut very tight to prevent it from moving? That would suck that every time you want to change your airflow the deck moves. Terrible design. They should have had a simple to use air flow ring system or something.

 

[Swampus]

@Exchaner I would try openning the JFC another turn, double check o-ring is in place and lastly maybe thin the bottom of the wick..

 

[Katya]

I see thanks for the post. I am wonder what exactly made it move. Can you make the weird nut very tight to prevent it from moving? That would suck that every time you want to change your airflow the deck moves. Terrible design. They should have had a simple to use air flow ring system or something.

I used a 5mm socket to tighten the nut while securing the plate on deck to make sure it doesn't move during tightening. I don't think it will move, once properly tightened, every time you adjust your airflow, but I'm really not sure. I just set my AFC once--and that's it. Not sure about that, though. Time will tell.

And yes, it's a design flaw--a big one, actually. I wonder how many people are getting shorts from that stupid plate touching the cup.

 

[Katya]

@Exchaner I would try openning the JFC another turn, double check o-ring is in place and lastly maybe thin the bottom of the wick..

Right. Also, @Exchaner, make sure that the air holes (and juice holes) are open (check for any blockage) and make sure that the slots in the rim (cup) are not blocked by your wick. That deck is tiny and the air needs a way out of it.

 

[paladinx]

I already got a short.. The airflow kind of sucks, its hard to get the tight but not super tight draw, u gotta keep playing with it. with the dumb screw which easily will get stripped in time. with all the money they have made from the kayfun, there isn't any excuses to me why they come out with ....ty designs. Another complaint for me is with the tight draw, its always wheezing noises when taking a draw. Its not flooding but its an annoying sound and sounds like fluid gets in there to make it sound wet and sticky. For price the clones win.. But for authentic atties at full price.. Id give it to the spheroid v4.. That is assuming the original is exactly like this clone

 

[Swampus]

IMHO: Y'all should be completely tearing them apart on day one..To include removing the 510 pin, positive shaft and block, insulators, and AFC grub screws..check for metal shavings and remove machine oils. wash them and blow all ports out..

When you put it back together, you'll see how it all fits and once the positive block and shaft are properly tighten it should be ok.
If it is loose you'll see it move when you tighten on a new coil.

If the AFC grub doesn't completely shut down the air, it could be in the machining or could be metal shavings in there, unless you check it out. Mine shut it off, but I have since removed them..

 

[Katya]

I already got a short.. The airflow kind of sucks, its hard to get the tight but not super tight draw, u gotta keep playing with it. with the dumb screw which easily will get stripped in time. with all the money they have made from the kayfun, there isn't any excuses to me why they come out with ....ty designs. Another complaint for me is with the tight draw, its always wheezing noises when taking a draw. Its not flooding but its an annoying sound and sounds like fluid gets in there to make it sound wet and sticky. For price the clones win.. But for authentic atties at full price.. Id give it to the spheroid v4.. That is assuming the original is exactly like this clone

Honestly, I really think that SM came up with this design in anticipation of the 2ml tank capacity restrictions in Europe (soon to be implemented). They may deny it all they want, but I don't believe them. Everybody was expecting a streamlined version of K4, but we got this instead.

I'm sure that the original is better built and easier to operate, but the design flaw is design flaw. I'm glad I didn't pay $100 for the original. And I hope that a K5 is in the works.

 

[paladinx]

Im probably one of the rare people who are glad they came out with a mini. I don't really like large tanks plus im a mouth to lung guy on lower wattages and higher nicotine. The problem for me isn't the size of the tank, but the way they engineered it. My spheroid is shorter, and only about 16mm yet it holds more juice. The kayfun v4/mini3 is just not an ergonomic design...

 

[Katya]

Im probably one of the rare people who are glad they came out with a mini. I don't really like large tanks plus im a mouth to lung guy on lower wattages and higher nicotine. The problem for me isn't the size of the tank, but the way they engineered it. My spheroid is shorter, and only about 16mm yet it holds more juice. The kayfun v4/mini3 is just not an ergonomic design...

I don't like large tanks either; but the Km3 is not really small, it just has small capacity. I like 22mm short tanks.

 

[magicmyst]

How long is the Fasttech code LABORDAY good? Thinking of getting another Plus. Do I need to do it today?

 

[Katya]

How long is the Fasttech code LABORDAY good? Thinking of getting another Plus. Do I need to do it today?

I think it's only good today.

 

[magicmyst]

Got it.

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

I am in for one whole mini Plus. $16.10 with 1st class epacket.

My first RTA after a year vaping. My first order from Slowtech. Ships in 7 days. Looks like I get this slow boat. Whee.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[Katdarling]

Hehehe... So proud of you!

Just for your reading pleasure, I just transferred my KFm3 onto my ProVari 2.5. Finally a Kayfun that fits that tapered end of my Provi. Dream vape. That poor Prothingy (which hasn't seen much action lately) just makes that silly Kayfun sing. And purr.

Nothing at all wrong with a song and purr. I know this as fact.

Ms. Ya, I happen to love my Provis, and old phones. Unlike you, I use all of mine much of the time, and I still prefer the solid, consistent vape. They are my "no worry" devices, and in likely probability, will outlast much else I have.

The menu to me, is a breeze. I rarely overshoot, as it's just second nature (like every other device after awhile). And in terms of batts, I do occasionally opt for the 18650 for more run time, but I use them all. Maintenance is by far easier than on my other devices. A quick swipe with some ISO and badda bing!

Heavy and long? Not the Ti.


Need a KURE for dat woe?

I gotcha covererd, honey pies.

The cure for the heavy, long Provi........

 

[Nailz]

Ordered another KF mini plus, 3 oring sets and some wire, does say won't ship till the 11th, but already have 1 plus and 6 standards, so not in any rush, just couldn't turn down the rare FT sale

 

[Katya]

Nothing at all wrong with a song and purr. I know this as fact.

Ms. Ya, I happen to love my Provis, and old phones. Unlike you, I use all of mine much of the time, and I still prefer the solid, consistent vape. They are my "no worry" devices, and in likely probability, will outlast much else I have.

The menu to me, is a breeze. I rarely overshoot, as it's just second nature (like every other device after awhile). And in terms of batts, I do occasionally opt for the 18650 for more run time, but I use them all. Maintenance is by far easier than on my other devices. A quick swipe with some ISO and badda bing!

Heavy and long? Not the Ti.


Need a KURE for dat woe?

I gotcha covererd, honey pies.

The cure for the heavy, long Provi........




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I don't disagree with anything you say. There is something really, really nice about the combination of a nice Kayfun on a Prothingy.

But I just switched from that combo to an Eleaf GS Tank on my Cool Fire 4, and that's nice too. Very nice and easy. Effortless. Crack a blister pack open, fill 'er up and off you go. Push one button and you see your volts, watts, resistance and battery status; 2600mAh battery. Doesn't purr, but a pretty nice vape nonetheless. My Aspire BVC coils are really lovely in my Subtank mini, too. Better than the Kanger coils, methinks.

It's all good. Vaping has come a long way since our 180mAh cigalikes and burning cartomizers. And it's a good thing. There's a perfect setup for everyone. The trick is to find it.

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

Kat, the only reason I didn't buy a couple more KF Minis (besides being broke) is I recently scored some used like new GS Air I's from a vape shop on Fleabay. Worked out to about $3 each shipped for 5 of them.

Still rebuilding my original 12 GS coils. from 9 months or so ago.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[Jumpin' In...]

I prefer short, stubby tanks as opposed to tall, skinny tanks too, but I haven't seen anything on my Tobeco clone that I would call a "design flaw".

Once you snug the positive post in position, it works as it should. There's a trick to it - the paper clip - that should have been included in the manual if it wasn't (my clone didn't come with a manual), but the tank works fine once it's in place. Having to loosen it thereafter should be a rarity. For all I know, the authentic ships clean and free of machine oil and with a well snugged positive post. If that's true, then there's no need to remove it in the first place.

In addition, I doubt that Svomestro is marketing the KM3 to the beginner. Given its price point, the company is more likely targeting the seasoned rebuilder. It's the clone manufacturer that makes the tank affordable and attractive to the less seasoned. (I have a clone, so please know that I'm not trying to start a war here.) If you look at the deck, the negative "post" is clearly milled into the deck, which is clearly a connected to the "wall" which surrounds the deck. Honestly, anyone who is going to mess around with rebuilding coils should know that a short will occur if the positive post comes in contact with that wall just by looking at the deck. (It should STILL be mentioned in the manual, IMO.) I was wincing while watching Busardo's video, which I think was the first video I'd seen if the KM3; I knew there was a potential for a short just by watching the vid - and I consider myself to be a novice to (maybe) intermediate rebuilder.

I would also prefer that airflow be controllable from the outside without tools, but I would still not consider the KM3 airflow design "flawed". It probably works as it was designed to work. My AFC screw is loose and shifty and might come off the threads on the wrong end of the threads, but unless that is all true on the authentic I can't really say that's a "design flaw" as opposed to a "manufacturing flaw" that occurred in the process of making a clone.

Yeah the o-rings seem too soft and seem generally to be of poor quality, but it seems clear that the authentic uses different o-rings that are better suited to their function. The poor o-rings are more of a marketing/price trade-off rather than a "design flaw". I'd consider buying an authentic set, but that decision would be price-dependent.

TLDR: "Design flaw"? What "design flaw" are you referring to?

 

[Katya]

Kat, the only reason I didn't buy a couple more KF Minis (besides being broke) is I recently scored some used like new GS Air I's from a vape shop on Fleabay. Worked out to about $3 each shipped for 5 of them.

Still rebuilding my original 12 GS coils. from 9 months or so ago.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

Well, I couldn't resist... I bought a silver Pico, another GS Tank and a pair of wire cutters.

I like the GS Tank because it doesn't leak and is easy to fill. My other GS Airs are sitting unused (Vapocalypse box or PIF)...

 

[Katya]

"Design flaw"? What "design flaw" are you referring to?

Moi? That moving pos bloc plate. It shouldn't be doing it. One should be able to tighten the deck assembly without disturbing the plate.

And now I really have to log off and do something in RW--before I place another order....

Happy vaping and happy ordering!