Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

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Midniteoyl

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That is the topic from the OP -- but not at the time of my and Mr. Oyl's original posts that were all quoted. Mr. Oyl has continued to ask me for further clarifications.

Because you asked me.. and then implied something about the law which I do not know, which you have yet to show.
 

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Show the law, please. If that was the case, we have a whole lotta vapers going to jail.
I meant in general I think we see eye to eye on the belief that Cloning is detrimental to the industry. Midnite you and I agree on a lot as well. I would also add that my prayers go out to you and your wife.
 
Well said!!!

not sure how making generalized bullet points of things some said makes me elitist but ok....

then to say go make your own cause its cheaper has been repeated and answered time and again proving they haven't read hardly any of the thread.

so trying to get a better value for our $$ makes us greedy? got it thanks.

not sure how any of it was well said but you are entitled to your opinion.
 

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well thank you for assuming im some kind of messiah for the "pro-clone movement" lol. what i said in the OP was my opinion i do not and have never claimed to speak for anyone.

Not a requirement for elitism to be occurring. An opinion spoken could be demonstrably an expression of elitism.

have also said how i bought my first authentic atty and plan to buy authentic mods that are near or below $100, so not sure how this makes me the messiah of the pro clone movement but thank you for thinking so highly of me lol.

Where are you getting the messiah complex from?

and not sure how im elitist by stating facts, multi billion dollar company's haven't stopped it what makes them think they have the clout? this question is not rhetorical.

Is the "butthurt ......" a statement of fact? In some cases, you are noting commonly accepted facts, in other cases you are expressing your opinion which comes off a bit elitist. As if your expressed values are superior to those of the authentic makers.

IMO the most elitism is coming from the pro authentic people that were saying how clones devalue their authentic when they are advertised as clones not authentics.

I have conceded that elitist type rhetoric is coming from both sides. But the pro-clone one is claiming it came from pro-authentic side first, when I believe your OP is ripe with elitist assertions and implications and an energy that reads quite clearly as aggravated and bent out of shape over the idea that authentic makers are daring to fight back.

I think it might be interesting to review the thread in its entirety to see which side is engaged in lashing out more at the other side. But pretty sure we won't go there, and so of course, biases being what they are, it will be concluded that 'our side isn't doing it as much as you guys have. Neener neener.'
 
Not a requirement for elitism to be occurring. An opinion spoken could be demonstrably an expression of elitism.



Where are you getting the messiah complex from?



Is the "butthurt ......" a statement of fact? In some cases, you are noting commonly accepted facts, in other cases you are expressing your opinion which comes off a bit elitist. As if your expressed values are superior to those of the authentic makers.



I have conceded that elitist type rhetoric is coming from both sides. But the pro-clone one is claiming it came from pro-authentic side first, when I believe your OP is ripe with elitist assertions and implications and an energy that reads quite clearly as aggravated and bent out of shape over the idea that authentic makers are daring to fight back.

I think it might be interesting to review the thread in its entirety to see which side is engaged in lashing out more at the other side. But pretty sure we won't go there, and so of course, biases being what they are, it will be concluded that 'our side isn't doing it as much as you guys have. Neener neener.'

so having an opinion is now elitism? or ranting?

i think you don't know what the word means and are throwing it around to get a rise out of someone.
 

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so having an opinion is now elitism? or ranting?

i think you don't know what the word means and are throwing it around to get a rise out of someone.

Having an opinion that expresses some sense of superiority or implies inferiority is elitism. Those "butthurt ......" authentic makers who you hope lose everything in their fight against cloners implies that the pro-clone position is superior. The rant, as I read it, is that it is pointless to fight, that the wise choice is to get China to manufacture for cheaper, and that if you do dare fight it, you should lose everything.

It is not a textbook or obvious example of 'elitism' just as some vague implication of saying clone buyers are plausibly thieves isn't a great example of elitism at work.
 

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to me elitism sounds more like the people not wanting clones of there limited runs so they can belong to an "elite" group of few.
I am not sure where you are getting this feeling from but for the most part I have not found this to be the case anywhere online. Those of us opposed to the clones are so inclined because of all the reasons posted in this thread not because we feel some sort of desire to belong to an exclusive group
 

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not sure how making generalized bullet points of things some said makes me elitist but ok....

then to say go make your own cause its cheaper has been repeated and answered time and again proving they haven't read hardly any of the thread.

so trying to get a better value for our $$ makes us greedy? got it thanks.

not sure how any of it was well said but you are entitled to your opinion.

I'm tired and need to reread that post.. But I dont think thats what he said? (mostly, anyways)
 
Having an opinion that expresses some sense of superiority or implies inferiority is elitism. Those "butthurt ......" authentic makers who you hope lose everything in their fight against cloners implies that the pro-clone position is superior. The rant, as I read it, is that it is pointless to fight, that the wise choice is to get China to manufacture for cheaper, and that if you do dare fight it, you should lose everything.

It is not a textbook or obvious example of 'elitism' just as some vague implication of saying clone buyers are plausibly thieves isn't a great example of elitism at work.

so reading into it further than what is there is your bases? and calling them butthurt implies i am being superior? your making up your own definition of elitism again...

and again I DO NOT SPEAK FOR EVERYONE saying what my hopes are in this aspect does not imply anything but my hopes.

and i like how you left out bits, i said how mod makers are already doing this cause like the old saying goes, cant beat'em join'em. with companies already doing it and selling cheap all they are going to do IN MY OPINION is waste the money they made when they could be making new cheaper products and moving more of them in this vastly growing market.

and the reason i pointed out the company's like nike ext is because im sure they can afford lawyers miles beyond what they mod makers can so again i ask, what makes them think they are going to win? why can you only avoid this question or divert by calling me elitist? or is asking this question to elitist?
 

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Ya know, i was just going back through the thread to see where the name calling started... Wanna guess? (Hint: he was just complimented for keeping his cool..)

A great little side debate to be had. I see it much earlier than what you are calling it. Again, it is in OP and then another poster after this before 'he' even appeared on this thread.
 
A great little side debate to be had. I see it much earlier than what you are calling it. Again, it is in OP and then another poster after this before 'he' even appeared on this thread.

hope your not talking about me again cause i started this thread and have read every single post so i didn't just appear lol.
 
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