AVS Carto Perfected - Part Deux

[Wylie]

An update to Emonty's original thread (AFS V2 and cartomizers perfected) which grew quite lengthy. I realize this post is repetitive, but maybe it can spare someone a lot of reading or trial and error.

Thanks to Emonty for the original thread and also to JBTX1 for all his help. To me, this is literally vaping perfection...

Supplies

• One Vapornine Nebula Turbo KR808 cartomizer
• 2010 GGTS with AVS (or old GGTS with new AVS attachment)
• 1/32 hole punch sharpened to a fine point on a grinder or with a file
• Small hammer
• 6v setup (for me it's 2xLiFePO4 Tenergy RCR123A 3.0v 750 mAh)

Steps

1. Remove V9 cartomizer label. This will leave a gummy residue. Remove with Goo Gone and then remove residue with Everclear. Leave the plastic cap on until finished to prevent contamination of filler. No need to boil, dry, or blow out the cartomizer. Note: Ben at Vapornine told me today he plans to offer these without labels as an option in the near future.
2. Use the hole punch with hammer to create a small hole about 1/4 inch over bottom of cartomizer threads. This isn't rocket science-- see picture. Note: It's a good idea to check with a volt meter and check the threads were not deformed.
3. Assemble the V9 cartomizer in the AVS (after removing white plastic cap) and fill the AVS tank with a good HV liquid of your choice.
   • As an optional step (use at your own risk) you can insert a drip tip into the cartomizer and prime it by sucking gently until the carto is saturated. The level in the AVS tank will decrease by about half as the juice fills the V9.
   • Refill the remaining half of tank for a TON of liquid on tap.
4. Add AVS mouthpiece, adjust control ring, and vape away!

See Emonty's original thread for his video. It's just amazing, but it can't describe the incredible flavor and the seemingly endless liquid which leaves me wanting for absolutely nothing.

 

[JBTX1]

Wylie that is an awesome post and it is simplified beautifully with your wording. The only other thing I would add for an addtional option is the extra hole one could make 180 degrees opposite of the first hole. This extra hole would be for those that use 100% VG and are having trouble keeping enough juice flowing into the carto. Some may say that's what the control ring is for, but why put extra wear and tear on the threads of the control ring and collector tank is my thoughts. Keep in mind this is just a suggestion for an option and not a must requirement. It just helps with juice flow and not having to fiddle with the control ring so much.

 

[scinsc]

Steps

1. Remove V9 cartomizer label. This will leave a gummy residue. Remove with Goo Gone and then remove residue with Everclear. Leave the plastic cap on until finished to prevent contamination of filler. No need to boil, dry, or blow out the cartomizer. Note: Ben at Vapornine told me today he plans to offer these without labels as an option in the near future.
2. Use the hole punch with hammer to create a small hole about 1/4 inch over bottom of cartomizer threads. This isn't rocket science-- see picture. Note: It's a good idea to check with a volt meter and check the threads were not deformed.
3. Assemble the V9 cartomizer in the AVS (after removing white plastic cap) and fill the AVS tank with a good HV liquid of your choice.
   • As an optional step (use at your own risk) you can insert a drip tip into the cartomizer and prime it by sucking gently until the carto is saturated. The level in the AVS tank will decrease by about half as the juice fills the V9.
   • Refill the remaining half of tank for a TON of liquid on tap.
4. Add AVS mouthpiece, adjust control ring, and vape away!

I don't own one of these yet and I would like to have a better understanding. Would someone please explain? If you punch a hole (attached thumbnail) that big in the cartomizer, saturate the cartomizer with juice and fill the tank to the brim with juice, how in the world is the cartomizer not continually flooded and pouring juice through the threaded end of the cartomizer? I have a hard enough time not flooding cartomizer without a tank. Thanks.

 

[urbanite]

I don't own one of these yet and I would like to have a better understanding. Would someone please explain? If you punch a hole (attached thumbnail) that big in the cartomizer, saturate the cartomizer with juice and fill the tank to the brim with juice, how in the world is the cartomizer not continually flooded and pouring juice through the threaded end of the cartomizer? I have a hard enough time not flooding cartomizer without a tank. Thanks.

I don't know the exact mechanics of it, but it does seem to work... with thicker juice I even have to take primary inhales to fill it up just a bit more... then again I like my cartomizers nearly flooded...

 

[Wylie]

I'm not sure how it works, either, but it definitely does work. I'm on the same tank from 24 hours ago so I just looked in the collector tank to see if I was flooding (which is where it would go if there was leaking). There is nothing in there. Not even a drop.

If I had to guess, I'd say it has something to do with a) the air pressure in the closed system or b) a sponge effect of the carto filler.

 

[JBTX1]

I don't own one of these yet and I would like to have a better understanding. Would someone please explain? If you punch a hole (attached thumbnail) that big in the cartomizer, saturate the cartomizer with juice and fill the tank to the brim with juice, how in the world is the cartomizer not continually flooded and pouring juice through the threaded end of the cartomizer? I have a hard enough time not flooding cartomizer without a tank. Thanks.

Well here goes...Not to confuse the word saturated with flooding would be the right frame of mind to start out with. The carto only need be saturated enough with juice for it to vape properly. Not a standing pool of juice inside the carto. The hole in cartomizer is only to feed enuff juice from the tank to saturate the cartomizer. This happens when you draw/suck/prime on the mouthpiece. Can you flood the carto?....Heck yes you can! That is where some tweeking with the control ring comes in. It is to adjust for proper air/juice flow ratio. It doesnt take long to get the hang of it. Different viscosities of juices will make juice flow flucuate.
It's somewhat compared to lets say a high tech Zippo lighter.(Sorry Imeo)just an example. If you overfill it... it will leak of course. If you fill it properly and the wick/carto is satrurated properly, you will have enough lighter fluid/juice to produce a good flame/vapor. Same way with the carto plus you have a control ring to adjust for more juice or more air. When you are not(pardon the phrase)sucking on the mouthpiece,,,the pressure is equalized and no juice is being pulled thru the hole of the carto. The o-ring at the base of carto prevnets any juice from coming thru the slots at the threaded end of the carto. The actual hole thru the center of the carto does from time to time get a small amount of juice in it but you can just blow it into the collector tank and clear the airway. Simply blow into the mouth piece.
Imeo has made such an ingenious product, that it boggles the mind. This is a very simple yet unique system. We just try to make it too complicated sometimes. I know I do........Hope this helped....if not...well I tried.
Vape hard friends

 

[scinsc]

Thank you Texas.
I just kept thinking that water rises to it's own level so why wouldn't the juice in the cartomizer rise to the level of juice in the tank. So if I understand, the pressure in the open-ended cartomizer is balanced with a somewhat negative pressure in the closed tank by the use of the control ring. Correct? Sometimes I’m a little slow but I think I get it now.

 

[JBTX1]

Your not slow...you just want to know like everyone else. You dont know unless you ask my friend. That's what these forums are for. I'm certainly no expert here but I will try to help the best I can. Forgive my lack of explaining things very well...lol...English Literature is not my forte'...I only speak slang Texican

Vape hard friends.

 

[Wylie]

I just kept thinking that water rises to it's own level so why wouldn't the juice in the cartomizer rise to the level of juice in the tank.

Look at the attached picture. When standing up on its end, the cartomizer inside is actually above the level of the liquid in the tank.

 

[scinsc]

Sorry I didn't mean to leave anyone out with my thank you. I was just zero'd in on the post by JBTX1.Thanks to all.

Look at the attached picture. When standing up on its end, the cartomizer inside is actually above the level of the liquid in the tank.

I wasn't clear enough. I meant the level of the liquid inside of the cartomizer.

 

[booker]

Cloud9's autofeeder cartos works like a charm.

 

[JBTX1]

Cloud9's autofeeder cartos works like a charm.

That might be a bit pricey for us folks that are here in the US. But great for our friends across the pond.

 

[Rippspeed]

I havent had luck with the regular cartos in my AVS ( not my AFS V2) all I get is a flooded carto ... Anyone else have the same issues ???

 

[JBTX1]

I havent had luck with the regular cartos in my AVS ( not my AFS V2) all I get is a flooded carto ... Anyone else have the same issues ???

Ripp...if thats the case you might try just one hole in the carto and not two...thats is if you are using two holes. The other thought is your hole may be too large. I have notcied that the AVS has a much tighter draw than the AFSv2 has. Worth a try perhaps....

 

[HoPeFuLLL]

Yep, I make a pretty damn small hole in my carto (hammer and a screw). If still flooding vasoline your O-rings and threads in the AVS.

 

[Rippspeed]

I only use 1 hole but I'm using a 1/16th drill bit because I tried with a 1/32th its nearly impossible to drill a carto with that ... I broke a drill bit trying


I use a 901 Atty and I have weird issues as well... When the AVS is full theres no leak into the collector tank. But when the tank is half full it starts to leak massive amounts of my liquid into the collector tank ... I dont know but I've never use vasoline on the orings or threads...

 

[imeothanasis]

The next time you will use a carto dont fill it first with liquid. Just put an empty carto, fill the tank, close the CR and then the big cap of AVS. Carto will be filled automatically. Then open the CR and smoke.

 

[Rippspeed]

The next time you will use a carto dont fill it first with liquid. Just put an empty carto, fill the tank, close the CR and then the big cap of AVS. Carto will be filled automatically. Then open the CR and smoke.

I've done this Imeo, I put in a empty one but it fills and half of the AVS liquid fills it and I get nothing but liquid on it ... The cartos work perfect on the on my AFS V2 but I'm having issues on the AVS

 

[imeothanasis]

I've done this Imeo, I put in a empty one but it fills and half of the AVS liquid fills it and I get nothing but liquid on it ... The cartos work perfect on the on my AFS V2 but I'm having issues on the AVS

Can you please send it back to me Rip? You will pay 10 euros for your postage) and when I will see what is going on with it I will send it back to you or I will send you a new one for free.

 

[HoPeFuLLL]

I only use 1 hole but I'm using a 1/16th drill bit because I tried with a 1/32th its nearly impossible to drill a carto with that ... I broke a drill bit trying

Hammer and a pointy screw, put carto in the line between say two paver's, hit screw sharply into carto with hammer. Makes a fine hole so much easier that a drill bit. Takes like 20 seconds to make 4 cartos.