Bartender Says Its Against the Law

[Vapor Pete]

I agree with K and TB.... A.) there is no right to vape, and B.) lets not get on peoples nerves by trying to "get around the smoking ban"!!! I have been a strong supporter of that stance. Remove that from advertising and marketing, and if you (the general PV user) are ever interviewed, PLEASE refrain from saying things like that. Also, do the interview OUTSIDE! Not in the middle of a freakin mall!!
I vape at work. I work alone in an office by myself. I got permission to do so by my boss. Other than that, I would have to go outside.
RESPECT THE SMOKING BAN, DONT GO AROUND IT.
My best,
-VP

 

[irishmom]

This bartender was the owner and I did approach him first to explain it before vaping. Plus our party was in a room other than the bar itself and my friends have no problem with it. I did get a lot of people interested and asking questions and I told them to come to this forum.

 

[irishmom]

bar owners will not allow you to smoke an e-cig in their bar if smoking is illegal UNLESS it does not appear in any way to be a cigarette, for the simple reason that it inspires other people to light up. find one with a blue light and there should be no issues at all

Mine is the stainless pilot with a blue light and a pink DSE901 with a pink light for that very reason did not want it to look like and analog.

 

[jmoney]

at most of the clubs in austin thats really all that they care about...those tickets for smoking in a bar are pretty pricey for the establishment

 

[strayling]

This bartender was the owner and I did approach him first to explain it before vaping. Plus our party was in a room other than the bar itself and my friends have no problem with it. I did get a lot of people interested and asking questions and I told them to come to this forum.

Sounds like you handled things as well as possible under the circumstances.

 

[Wildsky]

I agree with K and TB.... A.) there is no right to vape, and B.) lets not get on peoples nerves by trying to "get around the smoking ban"!!! I have been a strong supporter of that stance. Remove that from advertising and marketing, and if you (the general PV user) are ever interviewed, PLEASE refrain from saying things like that. Also, do the interview OUTSIDE! Not in the middle of a freakin mall!!
I vape at work. I work alone in an office by myself. I got permission to do so by my boss. Other than that, I would have to go outside.
RESPECT THE SMOKING BAN, DONT GO AROUND IT.
My best,
-VP

By respecting the ban, you are admitting that vaping is the same as smoking. That it will cause harm to those around you etc...

 

[Jim Davis]

at most of the clubs in austin thats really all that they care about...those tickets for smoking in a bar are pretty pricey for the establishment

Technically, they can't give you a ticket for smoking, but if the owner files a complaint, they'll think of something to nail you for.

 

[jmoney]

but any owner can ask you to leave for any reason he deems necessary...period

 

[Boston George]

I was in a bar just outside of DC and basically the owner said no. Stating he didnt want others to start lighting up. Which is very understandable but annoying.

I smoke in most restaurants and people are curious and sometimes glare but I have never had a problem. I think bars are a sticky spot because they dont want to get in trouble with the law.

 

[ZambucaLu]

First you said this:

Had a b-day party for husband at a bar when bartender saw e-cig said can't smoke it in here against the law. Tried to explain it but to no avail, rather than cause problem let it go went outside. There was another e-cig smoker in our group. I would have pushed it and told them to call police but didn't want to disrupt the party.

Now you're saying this:

This bartender was the owner and I did approach him first to explain it before vaping. Plus our party was in a room other than the bar itself and my friends have no problem with it. I did get a lot of people interested and asking questions and I told them to come to this forum.

So which is it? Did you get permission first....or did he catch you and told you it was against the law even though you tried to explain it to him?

Lu

 

[ZambucaLu]

By respecting the ban, you are admitting that vaping is the same as smoking. That it will cause harm to those around you etc...

Sorry, but I really fail to see the logic here. Just because we are vapers doesn't mean we don't respect what others desire on their premises (or in their homes, or whatever). We don't really know what harm any of this is causing us nor those exposed to it....we are all only hoping for the best.

So my daughter doesn't want me to vape around my grandson.....and I agree with that. Why? Because I don't know if it's really completely safe for him.....so I don't want to take that chance. So I am admitting that it is the same as smoking? No! I know smoking's not safe....and because I'm not 100% sure about vaping, I'd just rather not take that chance.

We show ourselves as bigger people by respecting others along this path....not pushing ourselves on them and exposing them to something we really have no idea of the long term effects of.

Lu

 

[jmoney]

Technically, they can't give you a ticket for smoking, but if the owner files a complaint, they'll think of something to nail you for.

not a ticket for the smoker, the bar can get one for someone smoking in their establishment

 

[providence]

In Rhode Island people can lodge an anonymous complaint about smoking in an establishment. After two anonymous complaints the establishment is sent a warning letter. After a third the owner has to appear before a committee to defend/explain.
Now that may not sound like much, but it is a pain and no establishment wants state inspectors coming around looking for things wrong with their place. And God help you when it comes time to renew your liquor license, even anonymous complaints can be used against you.

 

[ISAWHIM]

Disturbing the peace is illegal, and that can include causing alarm, causing an unavoidable issue, placing another in harm, or disobeying an authoritative request.

If an employee of an establishment asks you to do something that is not harmful to yourself or others, for the sake of keeping the peace within an establishments proximity, you must comply or leave the premises.

It is not the employees job to inform 1 or 100 angry customers who are jealous because you are able to consume what looks like a cigarette, even though it is not a cigarette, or smoke. It is the employees job to ensure that the business is not harmed by the actions of any single individual within the premises. Even if it is just jealousy, fear, or spite... It is your actions causing the disturbance, which demand corrective action.

Chew gum if you are in a bar, or put on a dead battery until you are outside, where the designated vaporized-nicotine area is located. (When you smoke a cigarette, you are smoking vaporized-nicotine too, but you are also smoking other carbonized and vaporized chemicals.)

 

[Deficit]

Alright, here's my approach to the whole thing. I will generally sit at a table in the bar and quietly vape here or there whenever I feel the urge to. I have had times when I was approached by staff, told smoking inside was not allowed, and asked to go outside. I then proceeded to show them that what I have is an electronic cigarette and demonstrate that the "smoke" is actually a scentless vapor. Nine times out of ten, they say "oh cool, ok" and walk away. Other times, I've had them ask where they can get one themselves or how they can get them in bulk to sell at the bar.

Only one time I was told "oh hey, that's pretty cool, but I still need you to go outside". At that point I simply said "ok, not a problem" and went outside. Please everyone, e cigs are already under scrutiny by authorities - please be respectful and do not cause arguments or disturbances over them. If you go into an establishment and wish to vape, do so quietly. If told there's no smoking allowed, explain it is not a tobacco cigarette and see what they say. Generally this does the trick, but if you are still asked to go outside, be respectful, don't argue and just go outside.

- Def

 

[Deficit]

I'd also like to add a real life example of how NOT to handle situations where you are thought to be smoking analogs in an establishment and told "no smoking".

I have a few friends who also vape, and there were four of us out at a restaurant one night not so long ago. We were all sitting at our table vaping away, when predictably the waitress walks up and says "sorry guys, but there's no smoking allowed in here". One of the guys proceeded to take the longest possible drag he could on his e cig and blew the vapor straight into the waitress's face and said "you smell smoke"?

I saw his point, but was pretty much appalled at the approach. I felt it was very rude to blow vapor straight into someone's face to prove a point. Luckily the waitress didn't seem offended, and said "wow! what is that?!" and my friend continued the demonstration of show and tell. I couldn't help but to think though how rude his approach was - had it been someone else we all could've been thrown straight out of the restaurant forcibly. Had it REALLY been the wrong person, he would have probably been punched in the face.

- Def

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Back in the day, I used to seek this sort of confrontation, would blatantly vape anywhere, and defend myself when challenged. It got old pretty quickly. These days I still vape everywhere but I'm less in-their-face about it. I have a dozen or so spots where the staff are cool. If I'm in a new place I ask permission. If I don't get it, I still vape and just hold the vapour in so there's no visible exhaust. Not as satisfying for me, as I really like playing with the vapour, but it gets the nicotine jones off my back (without me having to get off my ...).

Emp

 

[Vapor Pete]

By respecting the ban, you are admitting that vaping is the same as smoking. That it will cause harm to those around you etc...

Are you kidding me?
By respecting the ban, I am admitting that I respect the ban.
Anything else you have added to that statement is of your own opinion.

Likewise, at concerts (around my area anyway) you only allowed to drink alcohol in certain areas.... I would not bring in a NA beer into a non-drinking area and tell the powers that be to go screw because I have a non alcoholic beer.

Its about respect Wildsky. Bottom line.

My best,
-VP

 

[Wildsky]

We can totally agree to disagree.

I don't think Vaping is the same as smoking - perhaps I'm out on a limb all by myself.

I respect the SMOKING ban and don't smoke. the smoking ban has nothing to do with vaping.

 

[irishmom]

First you said this:



Now you're saying this:



So which is it? Did you get permission first....or did he catch you and told you it was against the law even though you tried to explain it to him?

I was not caught vaping I showed him the e-cig first, when he saw it he said no even after I explained it. I was just further explaining my first statement in my second post because people thought as you did that I was caught vaping sorry i was not clearer the first time.