Bartender Says Its Against the Law

[Vapor Pete]

We can totally agree to disagree.

I don't think vaping is the same as smoking - perhaps I'm out on a limb all by myself.

I respect the SMOKING ban and don't smoke. the smoking ban has nothing to do with vaping.

We can agree to disagree. I dont think you are out on a limb in thinking that vaping is different from smoking. Of course it is. Until someone who is against smoking see's you vaping in a no smoking area. The bottom line here is that vaping mimics smoking, so dont push your (not you personally, all of us) vaping on the non-smoking community in non-smoking areas. It creates confusion, and could lead to altercations, and as many of us here have said time and again, one of the worst ways to get the publics positive attention is to flaunt PV's as a way to get around the smoking ban. That does nothing to help us. Respect, courtesy, kindness, and education in the proper place at the proper times do help us.
My best,
-VP

 

[Wildsky]

I understand what you're saying Pete. I am not a RUDE vaper! I don't even hold it like a cigarette, I don't act like I'm in a club when vaping, I don't blatantly blow vapor at people or like a happy cloud above my head.
I've never needed to vape in a grocery store or anything like that. But at the same time, I will not associate vaping with smoking by removing myself to the "smoking" area's.

 

[Oldnamenomore]

going where smokers are is a great way to spread the message. I got at least 3 people really interested in 1 night by going outside to vape.

 

[lucky strike]

I work in a restaurant/bar in Manhattan, NY. I wouldnt mind someone vaping, but I would mind someone that is a tipical hater going nuts on me because someone else is vaping and it looks like smoking. And then I would have to explain to other customers what it is. And if we are busy its just not possible.

Also another thing would be someone seing someone with a ecig and lightting up an analog.

 

[lucky strike]

Oh and by the way I vape outside with the smokers bacause all my friends smoke. (slowly converting hehe)

 

[Sir_Puffalot]

In my 7 months or so of vaping I`ve experienced everything from people thinking i`m the best thing since sliced bread, to getting thrown out of a pub and spoiling the evening for my whole party.
To be honest when I first started I`d try and vape everywhere, just to see what I could get away with, but in these "fragile times" (my term, no-one elses) I just take it outside no matter where I am. I now totally understand the burden on bar staff when they see someone vaping as usually there are numerous people under the influence that think it`s totally acceptable to spark up as i`m dragging on my 901. After all ,how ever we sugar coat it, to others maybe less educated we are still smoking in their eyes.

 

[Krakkan]

I showed and explained mine to a bartender last night he thought it was cool but wouldn't let me smoke it inside. While outside I showed it off to a bunch of smokers leaving the girl I was on a date with sitting at the bar by herself for like 10 mins.

Bet your date hates E-cigs now

 

[Bellinghamster]

In Washington State the AG has gone on record saying that it is legal

Hey Strayling, you got a link or an e-mail or something I could print out and bring with me?

Thanks!

 

[strayling]

Hey Strayling, you got a link or an e-mail or something I could print out and bring with me?

Thanks!

Here you go - it was the Office of the AG:

We checked with the Attorney General's Office and they say the electronic cigarettes are legal under the state's indoor smoking ban.
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[ShimmyPrincess]

My 0.02 I don't vape publicly indoors anywhere (makes some sense)? I don't vape at resturants, stores, etc... I have a friend that does and she gets dirty looks a LOT. If I had to wait before to have an analog, I can wait to vape.
Also I have gone outside to vape and quite a few smokers have asked questions and are intrested in e-cigs. Good way to promote them IMO

 

[Oldnamenomore]

Bet your date hates E-cigs now

I didn't care at the time it was an old fling who I didn't think was going to put out that night based on how the evening was going. that was until I told her the night I called her out of the blue(after a year and a half) I had just driven from my moms house where my brother tried to kill himself. That turned the night around for me giggty giggty.

Sorry if it seems I am being calloused about my brother but its not the first time he has tried and I am sort of numb to it, if he ever succeeds I will be devastated but I can only get so worked up every time he trys.

 

[Vapor Pete]

I've never needed to vape in a grocery store or anything like that. But at the same time, I will not associate vaping with smoking by removing myself to the "smoking" area's.

Maybe I should have been more clear. Im not, nor have I ever said, we need to "remove ourselves to the smoking area." I am saying, we should not vape where smokers cannot smoke. That leaves alot of places we can vape, and not herded with the smokers. You do not have to associate smoking with vaping, the general public does that for you. And my stance is simply that we need to respect the fact that vaping mimics smoking and behave accordingly.
My best,
-VP

 

[Oldnamenomore]

the reason smoking is so hated is because it smells and is bad for everybody around it. Vaping is neither of those things. Smoking was allowed everywhere up until a few years ago (10ish)

 

[Bellinghamster]

Here you go

Thank you sir!

 

[Vapor Pete]

the reason smoking is so hated is because it smells and is bad for everybody around it. Vaping is neither of those things. Smoking was allowed everywhere up until a few years ago (10ish)

And now it is NOT allowed everywhere. But thank you for sharing.
My best,
-VP

 

[bizzyb0t]

So wait, if I'm eating one of those cigarette shaped gums with the talc you can blow out, I can't use it in a non-smoking establishment because it is similar to a cigarette? I look at vaping in public as completely fine. I'm not going to blow giant cloud in someone's face but I don't feel the need to treat my personal vaporizer as a cigarette. Simply put it's not a cigarette. If the proprietor of a place is worried about people being stupid enough to confuse an LED lit device as a cigarette, I'll offer to stand up and loudly proclaim it's not a cigarette, and it's not smoke and it's not tobacco.

It's not my fault people don't like that it looks like I'm smoking and frankly, I don't care what they think, because I'm not smoking. The ban doesn't apply to personal vaporizers, and until it does I'll vape where ever. If some manager or owner wants to throw me out, so be it. I'll just take my patronage somewhere else. I'm not doing anything illegal.

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Exactly, biz. Time and again threads about vaping descend into hand-wringing over the offended sensibilities of people who don't give a rat's ... about our feelings.

Emp

 

[K-Sound Krew]

Oi,
This is what, the 5th thread were people are getting crucified for vaping in public?

If you vape without asking or you get prior approval that is up to you, if the manager doesn’t want you to use it that’s up to him.
But just as long as you continue to hide like cowards the word will never spread.

You are all so paranoid about this getting banned,
Without bringing this device out in public the FDA will be able to ban this without nothing more then a whisper, you want acceptance then you need awareness.

I wish people would stop trying the public's patience by smoking e-cigs in non-smoking areas. It is NOT THE MAIN BENEFIT OF THESE THINGS….. We are using them because we think they are 100 times safer than cigarettes not because we can act like smart-arses and smoke in public indoor places.

You couldn’t be more wrong, learn your history
E-cigs were first introduced in America in Las Vegas when the smoking ban hit, it was a way to keep smokers in the casinos spending money instead of going out side for a cig.

Money savings is a secondary benefit and health concerns are an unproven secondary benefit

The primary use for this device was to be able to smoke in non smoking establishments

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Certainly my primary use, K...

Emp

 

[ZambucaLu]

Certainly my primary use, K...

Emp

And maybe that's simply the point. My primary reason for starting ecigs was to get off regular cigs....really for my health. I wasn't concerned if that happened overnight but that definitely was (is) my long term goal. Being able to "smoke" where smoking isn't allowed is at best, secondary to me. I suppose that is why I have no particular need to flaunt them in places where it may not be acceptable. I've made a choice to vape discreetly to ensure I can continue vaping where I want, rather than flaunt it and possibly lose the ability to do so altogether. But that's just me; I suppose others have their own agenda.

I was working in a library one day, sitting in one of those small rooms doing some research. There was 2 others in the room. After an hour, I was dying to vape. I walked down an aisle where there was no one around, vaped and went back to my seat like nothing happened. No one was the wiser, I was content, no harm, no foul.

Now I am most certain if I went and asked the librarian there if I could smoke in that little room, she would have said no. And I am pretty sure if I just started puffing out billows of smoke, one of those others in the room would have complained. So instead, I decided to go do my thing because my goal was to satisfy my need for nic...period.

It isn't about being scared or a coward. I would openly vape walking down the street because I know it's not going to be an issue. I vape in peoples' homes who don't mind it. But for me, I refuse to flaunt it where I might be asked to put it away or go outside. For me, that would defeat my whole purpose of getting my nic when I needed it.

But I guess for others, they have a different purpose for vaping. So hey, do what ya gotta do. But please, don't refer to me (or others who feel the same way) as cowardly or scared (or whatever terms have been thrown out there) when all I'm doing is trying to ensure my need for nic gets fulfilled with the least bit of hassle possible.

Lu