Battery Info for the Chuck

[Poeia]

A while back Crash mentioned a problem with certain batts always doing that but she was talking about Big Chuck batts so I didn't pay any attention to which ones were the problem.

 

[DjSaneR]

Alright I sent this to Jeff and am still waiting on a reply:

I finally got my Chuck to work with the two UltraFire 16340 3.0v batteries a couple of times, however, it seems that I have to wiggle or shake the Chuck for the batteries to make contact with the Chuck. Most of the time I can't get it to make contact at all. I tried 4 different batteries. Any ideas?

 

[quakereject]

I tried putting them back in the charger but still no luck. I'm not sure if the Atty's are LR. I bought the standard 510 kit from Cignot.com, so whatever comes with those are the ones I've been trying.

Shouldn't be LR then.. it may very well be the battery size. Though they should be even longer than the ones I have so I don't know 100%.. maybe if CTJ sees this she might be able to shed some light on the subject.

Does the bottom spring seem to be very spongy or is it pretty hard to press down?

 

[DjSaneR]

Shouldn't be LR then.. it may very well be the battery size. Though they should be even longer than the ones I have so I don't know 100%.. maybe if CTJ sees this she might be able to shed some light on the subject.

Does the bottom spring seem to be very spongy or is it pretty hard to press down?

The spring definitely has plenty of resistance. When I screw down the battery cap, the batteries stop moving.

 

[quakereject]

Well, I'm out of ideas lol, let's see if crash has any insight if she checks the thread.

 

[DjSaneR]

Well, I'm out of ideas lol, let's see if crash has any insight if she checks the thread.

I hear ya, but thank you for your input! Very much appreciated.

 

[Poeia]

I know Jeff has said it doesn't matter if you have batteries that have the button on top so that's not worth asking about.

Do you have to wiggle and shake the Chuck or the atomizer?

Are all your atomizers from the same source? If not, maybe you should try one from a different supplier and see if that makes a difference.

ETA: Found what Crash said

its the protection (PCB)...thats why most use the tenergy lifepo4 16340s....they are not protected w a PCB but rather have a chemistry that will not explode or catch fire. My blue tenergy protected batts will trip every time

Try the yellow/silver tenergy lifpo4 16340s, theyll fire it every time

 

[DjSaneR]

I know Jeff has said it doesn't matter if you have batteries that have the button on top so that's not worth asking about.

Do you have to wiggle and shake the Chuck or the atomizer?

Are all your atomizers from the same source? If not, maybe you should try one from a different supplier and see if that makes a difference.

ETA: Found what Crash said

I have to shake the Chuck. When I use the single 18650 3000mAH 3.7 I have no problems what-so-ever.

 

[quakereject]

PFT, Tenergy.

.55A max on those according to Drozd, if you're gonna get LiFePo4's, get the AW.

That's what I use, and I have 0 issues with em. Then again plenty of folks probably have the Tenergy's and no issues either.

*QUOTE*

From Drozd, earlier in the thread.

now max drain rate on batteries:
*AW 18650 (2200mAh) = <4.4A
*Ultrafire 18650 (3000mAh)= <4.5A
*AW IMR 18650 (1600mAh)= <16A
Tenergy LiFePo 3V CR123 (880mAh)= <.55A
*AW LiFePo4 3V CR123 (500mAh) = <5A
Ultrafire 3V CR123 (880mAh)= <1.32A
Ultrafire 3.7V CR123 (880mAh)=< 1.32A
AW 16340 (750mAh)= <1.5A
*AW IMR 16340 (550mAh)= <4.4A

So comparing lists the 18650s even with the most demanding atty your amp draw isn't exceeding the max drain rate of your batteries...
Now the CR123 size alone in the little chuck or even stacked all of em except the high drain (or the 3V AW LiFePo4) you're exceeding the max drain of the battery...leading to overstressing the battery (shortened service life), overheating, tripping the PCB, and possible battery failure..

 

[grabeard]

I have to shake the Chuck. When I use the single 18650 3000mAH 3.7 I have no problems what-so-ever.

If you got them from Madvapes, contact them.

 

[DjSaneR]

Ok, Jeff got back to me and we determined that it in fact is the batteries. Apparently when I got it to work those couple of times only 1 battery was tripped, therefore it was only working off of one 3v.

I put the batteries back on the charger, pop them in the chuck and it'll work for about 5 seconds then trip again. Both sets do the same thing. Are there any other 3.0v batteries I can try?

 

[DjSaneR]

PFT, Tenergy.

.55A max on those according to Drozd, if you're gonna get LiFePo4's, get the AW.

That's what I use, and I have 0 issues with em. Then again plenty of folks probably have the Tenergy's and no issues either.

*QUOTE*

From Drozd, earlier in the thread.

now max drain rate on batteries:
*AW 18650 (2200mAh) = <4.4A
*Ultrafire 18650 (3000mAh)= <4.5A
*AW IMR 18650 (1600mAh)= <16A
Tenergy LiFePo 3V CR123 (880mAh)= <.55A
*AW LiFePo4 3V CR123 (500mAh) = <5A
Ultrafire 3V CR123 (880mAh)= <1.32A
Ultrafire 3.7V CR123 (880mAh)=< 1.32A
AW 16340 (750mAh)= <1.5A
*AW IMR 16340 (550mAh)= <4.4A

So comparing lists the 18650s even with the most demanding atty your amp draw isn't exceeding the max drain rate of your batteries...
Now the CR123 size alone in the little chuck or even stacked all of em except the high drain (or the 3V AW LiFePo4) you're exceeding the max drain of the battery...leading to overstressing the battery (shortened service life), overheating, tripping the PCB, and possible battery failure..

Would these work? I can't seem to find them in 880mAh

*edit* Found these, too.

 

[quakereject]

Doubting it, usually batteries tend to follow suit in their C ratings with other batteries of the same manufacturer.

Guessing those LiFePo4's are the same since I've not heard of them having 2 different mAh ratings on em.

The other ones are Li-ion so you run into the same potential PCB tripping.

AW LiFePO4 3 Volt Lithium Rechargeable Battery

That's what I recommend, because it's what I use, and they work without a hitch.

 

[DjSaneR]

Doubting it, usually batteries tend to follow suit in their C ratings with other batteries of the same manufacturer.

Guessing those LiFePo4's are the same since I've not heard of them having 2 different mAh ratings on em.

The other ones are Li-ion so you run into the same potential PCB tripping.

AW LiFePO4 3 Volt Lithium Rechargeable Battery

That's what I recommend, because it's what I use, and they work without a hitch.

Thanks, I'll give those a shot. BTW, is THIS charger able to charge these batteries?

 

[quakereject]

Thanks, I'll give those a shot. BTW, is THIS charger able to charge these batteries?

Don't believe so, doesn't say it has a 3v function, only 1.2 and 4.2 (for 3.7v)

The charger I use, was the only one Lighthound would reccomend for the batts I bought is below, it works for 3v and 3.7v. You have to set the switch on the side too so if you get it be aware of that.

Ultrafire 3.6 volt or 3 volt RCR123 Lithium Battery Charger

I'm sure there are others that will work, you just have to make sure it has a 3v charge function, which I believe outputs at 3.2v.

 

[DjSaneR]

Don't believe so, doesn't say it has a 3v function, only 1.2 and 4.2 (for 3.7v)

The charger I use, was the only one Lighthound would reccomend for the batts I bought is below, it works for 3v and 3.7v. You have to set the switch on the side too so if you get it be aware of that.

Ultrafire 3.6 volt or 3 volt RCR123 Lithium Battery Charger

I'm sure there are others that will work, you just have to make sure it has a 3v charge function, which I believe outputs at 3.2v.

Interesting.. That's the charger I bought along with the UltraFire 16340 880mAh 3.0v batteries.. Maybe this is the reason why the batteries are tripping?

 

[AmyB66]

Quaker has it dead on. I have the same batteries and charging unit he has posted. Both from lighthound (got it right this time )

The charger has a little switch in the side, you need to make sure it is on 3V, not 3.7

I have two ultrafire chargers, one is the one mentioned above and I have another one that is just for 3.7 for 18650's and I bought some spacers from the same company so I can charge my 3.7 123's on it. Keeping the smaller charger just for my 3volt batteries.

Stinks to have to rebuy but these are good batts and the charging units are fantastic and well worth the investment. I have something similar to the charger you posted, takes forever and a day and it is most difficult to get my 18650s out of.

 

[quakereject]

I'm more of a sissy safe person when it comes to potential pipe bombs in my hand, so I went with the safest route from the information I gleaned off Drozd, AW seems to be the best quality of the batteries available, and has the best statistics, despite usually sporting the lower mAh rating. Then again, who knows what the others use to measure their mAh, I know ultrafire gets super creative in their methods of obtaining it, possible that Tenergy does too.

 

[DjSaneR]

Thanks for all your input, guys. Batteries and charger ordered. I'll keep you posted!

 

[AmyB66]

I'm more of a sissy safe person when it comes to potential pipe bombs in my hand, so I went with the safest route from the information I gleaned off Drozd, AW seems to be the best quality of the batteries available, and has the best statistics, despite usually sporting the lower mAh rating. Then again, who knows what the others use to measure their mAh, I know ultrafire gets super creative in their methods of obtaining it, possible that Tenergy does too.

Exactly and it's not like one has to recharge every hour, getting through a day on mine then I recharge. Can do a day and an evening and after throwing 510 batteries at the wall every 20-30 minutes, cussing like a madman, a day is freakin awesome. Does one really need more than that?
8-10 dollars for a battery, I keep three sets, one to be charged, one in use and the third if I don't get to recharging the first in time. Perfect little system.

I do need some extra 3Vs for when my new smarkely chuck arrives. When I first got my chucks I thought, well buying these was a waste of money, I'll never use them. Never say never. 75% or more of my vaping time is now at 6vs.