BEHOLD: The absolute perfect tobacco flavoring and nicotine extraction method.
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I just tried your method and it's amazing! I picked up some PG at wal-greens and some snus (mellow). Did everything exactly like you said and it tastes great! I would compare it to the taste of Kent from Rocky Mountain Vapor. I'm very pleased with the taste and the amount of vapor. I think that I'm going to be making my own stuff from now on. Thank you!
There are a number of posts on this subject and it had been determined by a chemist ages ago that the nicotine is minimal.. To get any real percentage of nicotine is to either use the snus or regualr tobacco (pipe tobacco being the easier type) and do the following:
1)Take tobacco and place it in water and cover over night or afew days. Making sure you just cover the tobacco..
2) Strain out the tobacco using a coffee filter.
3) Place in a pot and boil the tobacco-water until it turns into a molasses type consistency.
4) Mix with PG or VG and vape away...
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True very little nic comes out. DVap had post on it. He is a chemist.
I saw the boiling method and all the stuff the extra heat brings out will end up on the atty. It all wont volatize at that heat range. The boiling will get more flavor but a lot of waxy compounds too.
Snus does release a little more nic due to it being pasteurized, but some flavor is all that I'd really expect to get along with other stuff you didnt really want. To me it would be a last resort thing to do.
I'd put it in the "survival mode" area.
I saw the boiling method and all the stuff the extra heat brings out will end up on the atty. It all wont volatize at that heat range. The boiling will get more flavor but a lot of waxy compounds too.
Snus does release a little more nic due to it being pasteurized, but some flavor is all that I'd really expect to get along with other stuff you didnt really want. To me it would be a last resort thing to do.
I'd put it in the "survival mode" area.
Thing is that what other way could they use nicotine to make liquid other than boiling tobacco?? I mean it's not like they could use anything else...
I did do the boiling method because on another thread some of us were thinking about the FCC fight and all, so we were wondering if we were not going to be able to buy juice what would we do..
After boiling I added some VG (not alot at all) and vaped it... The flavor was very good although if I do it again I would use a different flavor tobacco.. It did not ruin my atty at all, and I used the same atty to vape the homemade juice for months.. Now I've been using this boiled concoction by adding it to my purchased juice and it's fine..
My money would be on gunked attys, but it you're happy with it, I guess that's what matters.
Well they weren't gunked since I mixe it with VG or PG (whatever is handy).. They are thick if they weren't mixed..My money would be on gunked attys, but it you're happy with it, I guess that's what matters.
All i know is using the procedure i outlined ^above, within a few days my atty was dead, and crusty from salts or sugar or soethign. Maybe it was just the sort of snus i got.
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If you do the math on the volume of PG, VG or PGA used you'll find that 1-3mg per ml of nic liquid is abt the best you can recover. Along with the waxy stuff.
What else are people to do? Well, there are places on the net you can buy nicotine and then add to PG/VG to get a good base flavorless.
A cold soak for a shorter time is preferred as you'll get some of the "goodies", but less of the bad. Maybe 1mg liquid recovery with a bit of flavor?
I'd still keep anything but a short soak(2hr maybe) in the "survival area"
Just my opinion........
You're talking about"Seedman's" right??
Tobacco Flavorings for Home Grown Tobacco
On some other threads some are using their stuff and are happy.. I'm thinking of trying that at some point..
There is a letter quoted in an old thread on here from Seedmans and it says they have no tobacco flavoring in their liquids, only enhances tobacco flavor.
Unless they've changed.
Seedmans may enhance the flavor derived from a "quick soak".
I tried the flavorart flavors and they didnt taste like tobacco to me.
With a base liquid, there is still the other flavors to be had.
Any of the Loranns, Bickfords, Capellas, and Tasty vapor has a flavor doubler that might work. Never tried it.
Good possibiites exist.
Unless they've changed.
Seedmans may enhance the flavor derived from a "quick soak".
I tried the flavorart flavors and they didnt taste like tobacco to me.
With a base liquid, there is still the other flavors to be had.
Any of the Loranns, Bickfords, Capellas, and Tasty vapor has a flavor doubler that might work. Never tried it.
Good possibiites exist.
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Oh!!! I had just skimmed the Seedmans site quickly after it was posted.. didn't read the list to see the details.. Thought it was nicotine (no matter how small) since they had Virginia and the others..
I'll just stick to doing my stuff since it tastes good and I don't get any wax or gunk the way I added to it with the PG or VG.. I don't care at this point if it has any nicotine in it or not.. The directions I found online and it was to create nicotine liquid and that you had to be careful since it was dangerous to do.. Also saw a show many moons ago (Barnaby Jones, or Perry Mason, or something like it) that a person killed another person with nicotine liquid doing the same thing...
It's not like they are making nicotine out of a potato though so they must be using tobacco leaves somehow to make the liquid so I don't get it...
Seedmas seems to have 2 catagories.
Enhancers and flavors. Neither contain nic.
I saw the cigar and apple stuff and that appears to be flavoring to flavor tobacco leaf.
The flavors may work well in eliquid.
The enhancers, I wouldn't hold much on unless you have some flavor already to enhance.
At least...thats how I read it.
Like DVap said, if your method is working for you and the setup you have, thats great.
I had read many more bad reports and why from doing it.
Maybe a critical temp gets the bad stuff. I really dont know beyond that.
People are looking for ways to make stuff in the event of a ban.
I normally stick to the hardware.
Enhancers and flavors. Neither contain nic.
I saw the cigar and apple stuff and that appears to be flavoring to flavor tobacco leaf.
The flavors may work well in eliquid.
The enhancers, I wouldn't hold much on unless you have some flavor already to enhance.
At least...thats how I read it.
Like DVap said, if your method is working for you and the setup you have, thats great.
I had read many more bad reports and why from doing it.
Maybe a critical temp gets the bad stuff. I really dont know beyond that.
People are looking for ways to make stuff in the event of a ban.
I normally stick to the hardware.
People are looking for ways to make stuff in the event of a ban. I normally stick to the hardware.
In case of a ban, it would help to be an organic chemist, alternately knowing one might be advantageous.
We gotta find an organic chemist then..
OK so from what I'm getting out of this about Seedmans would be is:
Hypothetically, if you had some tobacco juice and needed a better kick of the flavor, then use the Seedmans..
Also, say you didn't want to bother to soak tobacco leaves or snus in PG or VG, use the Seedmans..
Another would be taking unflavored juice and wanted to have tobacco flavor instead of buying it, use Seedmans..
This would help me since I tend to want a heavy flavor and the normal flavorings that I buy just aren't strong enough.. I bought alot of Virginia 36mg.. I could then take Seedmans and add it to the juice, carame, and vanilla and make RY-4 (actually I have tried DIY-ing it myself and add a tad of marshmellow and it tastes right to me.. but that's my taste buds for ya') instead of the tobacco leaves or snus in PG or VG, or buying 0 nic tobacco..
Coo!!
OK so from what I'm getting out of this about Seedmans would be is:
Hypothetically, if you had some tobacco juice and needed a better kick of the flavor, then use the Seedmans..
Also, say you didn't want to bother to soak tobacco leaves or snus in PG or VG, use the Seedmans..
Another would be taking unflavored juice and wanted to have tobacco flavor instead of buying it, use Seedmans..
This would help me since I tend to want a heavy flavor and the normal flavorings that I buy just aren't strong enough.. I bought alot of Virginia 36mg.. I could then take Seedmans and add it to the juice, carame, and vanilla and make RY-4 (actually I have tried DIY-ing it myself and add a tad of marshmellow and it tastes right to me.. but that's my taste buds for ya') instead of the tobacco leaves or snus in PG or VG, or buying 0 nic tobacco..
Coo!!
so, I have:
2 full 1/2 pint jars crammed full of shredded, home-grown Havana leaf, barn-dried and coffie-can cured.
1 gallon each of PG and VG.
I am looking to get some of the cuban cigar flavor with the highest nic content I can produce.
What technique would you all suggest?
2 full 1/2 pint jars crammed full of shredded, home-grown Havana leaf, barn-dried and coffie-can cured.
1 gallon each of PG and VG.
I am looking to get some of the cuban cigar flavor with the highest nic content I can produce.
What technique would you all suggest?
Take a look at the pipe tobacco extract thread in the sub-forum just above. Some good info about making flavoring from tobacco. I haven't read anything yet about leeching nic from it tho. I'm sure some must get drawn using these methods, but I think you'd probably need some real lab equipment and knowledge to actually get a decent amount of nic.
What I don't get is that I had found online an article and directions on how to make liquid nicotine:
How to Make Pure Nicotine | eHow.com
This is to make pure nicotine.. I had posted this months ago on another thread and some were all concerned that I'd kill myself trying it.. I left it straight without using VG or PG and add it to enhance flavoring to other juice.. I am figuring that you need to add the VG or PG with some vodka or whatever to get it to the right consistancy..
Since, in one thread or another people are not sure if this would end up producing just fklavoring or nicotine liquid.. Well all I can say is that it's worth a try and I doubt that anyone can burn off nicotine by boiling it.. The above URL is not the only one online while searching and all have the disclaimer about the dangers of it... Besides this, all I can figure out is that since a nicotine patch is nicotine and PG, then suck the patches dry with a syringe and vape with that...
Geez, back in the 60's an episode of "Perry Mason" had a woman killing her husband by making liquid nicotine in this way and he died, even though you can't believe what you watch on a tv drama... It's not like the companies creating juice are such genius' and they are extracting the nicotine out of a potato.. They must be using tobacco leaves.
How to Make Pure Nicotine | eHow.com
This is to make pure nicotine.. I had posted this months ago on another thread and some were all concerned that I'd kill myself trying it.. I left it straight without using VG or PG and add it to enhance flavoring to other juice.. I am figuring that you need to add the VG or PG with some vodka or whatever to get it to the right consistancy..
Since, in one thread or another people are not sure if this would end up producing just fklavoring or nicotine liquid.. Well all I can say is that it's worth a try and I doubt that anyone can burn off nicotine by boiling it.. The above URL is not the only one online while searching and all have the disclaimer about the dangers of it... Besides this, all I can figure out is that since a nicotine patch is nicotine and PG, then suck the patches dry with a syringe and vape with that...
Geez, back in the 60's an episode of "Perry Mason" had a woman killing her husband by making liquid nicotine in this way and he died, even though you can't believe what you watch on a tv drama... It's not like the companies creating juice are such genius' and they are extracting the nicotine out of a potato.. They must be using tobacco leaves.
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Just goes to show that any fool can post to eHow.
The product of the described procedure will have a little nicotine, and a whole lot of plant material. It will be nasty.
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