Being the Devil's Advocate Here : If you are vaping with Nicotine juice, you ARE still a "smoker"..

[BCRich2204]

By the way I don't mean to say that the reasonable respondents are being juvenile, but arguing that the difference between the two is "Just words" leads one to ask "what is your goal?" certainly the effort to link consuming mild stimulants like caffeine and nicotine to being a .... "junkie" was a desperate ill thought one. Certainly "adrenaline junkies" should be ashamed too, especially the ones with kids.

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Maybe you don't understand why smoking is bad.

I for one was never ashamed to be a smoker. I loved it. My dad & his family were all heavy smokers & I didn't like it at a young age. I told myself I would never do it. But one thing led to another & I decided I liked smoking & I was going to smoke.

The only reason I wanted to quit is because as I got older, my sense of mortality has changed. I don't want lung cancer & I need to get my wind back so I can start exercising this gut off.

The ecig allows me to do that. I'm still getting the nicotine I'm hooked on. I still get the hand/mouth interaction my body craves. Plus I get to taste these sweet juices all day long. I don't have a problem with nicotine. Far as I can tell, it doesn't harm me in any way. All the bad things that were in cigarettes, the tar, the smoke, the cyanide, etc... I'm not dealing with any more.

& I can adjust the strength of the nicotine to ween myself off of it if I wish..... something you can't easily do with a cigarette.

I'm sorry that you're experiencing some kind of guilt trip. But you're alone on that... or at least in a very small group.

 

[k75srider]

I don't care what we call what we are doing. I do listen do my body and it says that I am on the right path . My lungs don't rattle and I have more wind.. Only the future will tell us if there are any long term negative affects of vaping, but I know smoking was slowly killing me. So I will just roll the dice on this one and hope for the best. As far as calling vapers smokers that just sounds silly. They devil is much smarter then that.

 

[Nermal]

Yes, you are Wrong ... If I am not lighting a substance with fire, and therefore causing it to burn with smoke, and inhaling it, then I AM NOT SMOKING. Quite frankly I don't agree with the logic beyond your reasoning, but to each their own.

We can each have our own opinion. Maybe we can each have our own logic: we can't each have our own fact.

 

[k75srider]

Don't pour e-juice in your ear, it will cause hearing lose, just in case nobody knows this.?

 

[Baldr]

I get that ciggies have all those disgusting chemicals and worse in them, I do understand that. But if you are just taking all that out, but still dependent on Nicotine, you ARE still a smoker, am I wrong?

Yes, you are certainly wrong.

There is no smoke. No matter how often you scream "You are still smoking!", it won't change the fact that there is no smoke. That means it doesn't smell like smoke, and it doesn't have the health implications of smoke.

I've been nicotine free for awhile. Maybe nine months? So according to you, when I switched from vaping with a low level of nicotine to zero nicotine, everything changed. That makes no sense, but that's what you're saying. Because you consider nicotine use to be the difference. Is using the patch the same as smoking to you, also? Chewing nicotine gum?

I haven't smoked for over 2 years. I've been vaping for that time. Getting off the nic didn't change the fact that I'm vaping. (And I may well go back to low levels of nic. Because despite people like you who want to demonize it, nicotine isn't really horrible for you.)

 

[Purplepeeps]

I'm an addict: Addited to vaping but was addicted to smoking. I vape way more than I ever smoked. Tastes better too.

 

[jwoode]

When my mod smokes.. something is very very wrong.

 

[Baldr]

There is no distinction between them.

Only words.

But words have meanings, and you are trying to redefine them for your own purposes.

 

[Warpigs]

I have seen HUGE change switching from smoking cigs to vapeing. I can now smell stuff much better, and my taste buds are in overdrive. Eating a ham and cheese sandwitch is like eating a nice steak. The 30+ years I was smoking I dulled those 2 senses so much that after my 1st couple weeks after I quit smoking those were 2 of the 3 things that helped me quit. The 3rd was to vape instead

 

[Purplepeeps]

I call it vaping nicotine flavored e-liquid. At home, I call it juice. I inhale/exhale vapor. Thank goodness, there's no more gross ashes or ash-trays to clean up.

 

[vape-addict]

are we here again? the great smoking versus vaping debate?

 

[DC2]

are we here again? the great smoking versus vaping debate?

It's not really a debate, just another opportunity to educate.

The facts are already established.
Now it's just a matter of conveying those facts to those who don't yet grasp them.

 

[MalkinMania71]

I went to my doctor on Friday and he said still smoking? I told him nope but I am still on nicotine with a vaporizer. He said that doesn't count and said you are a former smoker then.

 

[fraychek]

I went to my doctor on Friday and he said still smoking? I told him nope but I am still on nicotine with a vaporizer. He said that doesn't count and said you are a former smoker then.

I refer to myself as a former smoker. It means I used to smoke and now I don't. On questionaires in doctors' offices and hospital admissions the choices are usuallly smoke, former smoker or never smoked. If you're a former smoker it means you' don't smoke anymore, so how does vaping "not count?"

 

[lightbud404]

It's not really a debate, just another opportunity to educate.

The facts are already established.
Now it's just a matter of conveying those facts to those who don't yet grasp them.

that's obviously way easier said than done

 

[wv2win]

It's not really a debate, just another opportunity to educate.

The facts are already established.
Now it's just a matter of conveying those facts to those who don't yet grasp them.

You would think that even a "Completely Average" person could grasp those facts. I guess not.

 

[pamdis]

I refer to myself as a former smoker. It means I used to smoke and now I don't. On questionaires in doctors' offices and hospital admissions the choices are usuallly smoke, former smoker or never smoked. If you're a former smoker it means you' don't smoke anymore, so how does vaping "not count?"

Vaping doesn't count as smoking, ergo if you vape you are a former smoker.

 

[Fizzpop]

This may be necessary for some. And for those, the arguments presented in this thread may be valuable.
"Smoke" is clearly defined. So is "smoking". And no ifs and buts about it.
Please note that even the most rabid ANTZ do not make the mistake of equating vaping with smoking. "Looks like smoking" - yes, they say that all the time. As they have no valid arguments against vaping. "Is smoking" - no. Because the terms are clearly defined. And no ifs and buts about it.

However, "refining one's arguments" is not necessary for all members. As some members know all the arguments and all the rhetoric by heart. Even in their sleep, if need be. And is IS tiring to read such obvious nonsense in a vapers forum. If I want nonsense about vaping, I open the Huffington Post, thank you very much.

I would argue that "refining one's arguments" is at this point in time critical. Combative rhetoric combined with the most unhelpful "I'll vape anywhere I DAMN WELL PLEASE!" attitude by those that vape will only result in onerous restrictions to e-cigs, if not an outright ban.

I often worry more about the damage being done by our own community than those outside of it. We need to gently educate and gain the mindshare of those who don't understand what vaping is about.

 

[Baldr]

I would argue that "refining one's arguments" is at this point in time critical. Combative rhetoric combined with the most unhelpful "I'll vape anywhere I DAMN WELL PLEASE!" attitude by those that vape will only result in onerous restrictions to e-cigs, if not an outright ban.

I often worry more about the damage being done by our own community than those outside of it. We need to gently educate and gain the mindshare of those who don't understand what vaping is about.

If it were up to you, people would only vape in places where they are allowed to smoke. Then they wouldn't need to ban e-cigs, because we would have voluntarily banned them ourselves.

If we treat them like ciagarettes, and hang out with the smokers, go outside to smoke, and come back in smelling like a cigarette because we were standing outside next to a smoker, then we aren't going to be doing any useful educating. If you want people who don't already vape to learn about it, vape when you are around them.

I already know your'e going to scream about how people like me are ruining vaping, because I vape in public, and I don't pretend like I'm smoking cigarettes. That happens here on ECF all the time. In the real world, I vape in restaruants, bars, and other businesses on a regular basis, and nobody ever complains. I've explained vaping to a whole bunch of people because I don't hide. Most of the ones that ask are smokers interested in the usual "Does that work? How expensive is it? How do I get started?" kind of questions, and I'm sure some of them are now vaping.

Hiding is not the solution.

 

[Fizzpop]

If it were up to you, people would only vape in places where they are allowed to smoke. Then they wouldn't need to ban e-cigs, because we would have voluntarily banned them ourselves.

If we treat them like ciagarettes, and hang out with the smokers, go outside to smoke, and come back in smelling like a cigarette because we were standing outside next to a smoker, then we aren't going to be doing any useful educating. If you want people who don't already vape to learn about it, vape when you are around them.

I already know your'e going to scream about how people like me are ruining vaping, because I vape in public, and I don't pretend like I'm smoking cigarettes. That happens here on ECF all the time. In the real world, I vape in restaruants, bars, and other businesses on a regular basis, and nobody ever complains. I've explained vaping to a whole bunch of people because I don't hide. Most of the ones that ask are smokers interested in the usual "Does that work? How expensive is it? How do I get started?" kind of questions, and I'm sure some of them are now vaping.

Hiding is not the solution.

No, hiding is not the solution. But neither is being an inconsiderate .... My only point is we should be well aware of the political atmosphere and act accordingly. There is no problem vaping in a restaurant or bar if you first ask if it would bother anyone. If they are uncertain, there is your chance to educate. Just because nobody is complaining doesn't mean that people are not put off by it.

This would all be different if the anti-tobacco sentiment wasn't so strong. But many of these people have a major problem with anything that even remotely resembles smoking. Spoiler alert: they have A LOT of political power.

There is a great deal of evidence that vaping is much, much safer than smoking and that as a harm reduction strategy it is very effective and benefits the public's health. We have the facts on our side, but we must be politically astute if we are to succeed.

When the calls to action disappear from this forum, we can all relax. Until then we are fighting a battle that we very well might lose, and lose badly.