Explaining that is going to be an uphill fight. Trust me.
Being the Devil's Advocate Here : If you are vaping with Nicotine juice, you ARE still a "smoker"..
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Explaining that is going to be an uphill fight. Trust me.
It is only an uphill fight if it is correct. Do you feel it is?
All thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs.
And no boiling water is smoke. Wait I burnt my water, no mac and cheese for me.
Take yourself to Panera. They have the best mac and cheese!
Still stuck on vapor and vaping not smoke or smoking.
Webster's dictionary:
Smoke\ˈsmōk\
: the cloud of black, gray, or white gases and dust that is produced by burning something
: a cigarette, cigar, etc. : something that people smoke
: the act of smoking a cigarette, cigar, etc.
Smoking:
a : to emit or exhale smoke
b : to emit excessive smoke
2
archaic : to undergo punishment : suffer
3
: to spread or rise like smoke
4
: to inhale and exhale the fumes of burning plant material and especially tobacco; especially : to smoke tobacco habitually
Vapor
Vapor: noun \ˈvā-pər\
: a substance that is in the form of a gas or that consists of very small drops or particles mixed with the air
Sure you will find instances where even an online dictionary places vaping as smoking and smoking as a vapor from the burning of a substance, but I've never seen a fire expell water vapor, nor have I seen an ecig emitt tar or thousands of Cardagens. I guess those who want to argue that vaping is still smoking can believe what they want. The fact remains it's a 100 times safer.
I totally disagree with the idea that just because you expell something similar that it is in fact smoking. My dad used an inhalor for his breathing and it expelled a vapor, but I doubt anyone would argue that its similar to smoking. There was no nicotine but you will find many ecig users also use zero nicotine. I find it a little crazy to put smoking in the same category. You can argue and find facts to back up almost any claim, but the proof is in results. Those of us who quit smoking can breathe better. I can climb stairs without losing my breath. You can't say that with smoking but you can with vaping. Big difference between the two things. It's no longer a habit for me, its an enjoyment/hobby.
Smoke\ˈsmōk\
: the cloud of black, gray, or white gases and dust that is produced by burning something
: a cigarette, cigar, etc. : something that people smoke
: the act of smoking a cigarette, cigar, etc.
Smoking:
a : to emit or exhale smoke
b : to emit excessive smoke
2
archaic : to undergo punishment : suffer
3
: to spread or rise like smoke
4
: to inhale and exhale the fumes of burning plant material and especially tobacco; especially : to smoke tobacco habitually
Vapor
Vapor: noun \ˈvā-pər\
: a substance that is in the form of a gas or that consists of very small drops or particles mixed with the air
Sure you will find instances where even an online dictionary places vaping as smoking and smoking as a vapor from the burning of a substance, but I've never seen a fire expell water vapor, nor have I seen an ecig emitt tar or thousands of Cardagens. I guess those who want to argue that vaping is still smoking can believe what they want. The fact remains it's a 100 times safer.
I totally disagree with the idea that just because you expell something similar that it is in fact smoking. My dad used an inhalor for his breathing and it expelled a vapor, but I doubt anyone would argue that its similar to smoking. There was no nicotine but you will find many ecig users also use zero nicotine. I find it a little crazy to put smoking in the same category. You can argue and find facts to back up almost any claim, but the proof is in results. Those of us who quit smoking can breathe better. I can climb stairs without losing my breath. You can't say that with smoking but you can with vaping. Big difference between the two things. It's no longer a habit for me, its an enjoyment/hobby.
... i thought it was funny how we all could smoke a pack a day give or take and not think twice, but as soon as we start vaping we all worry about whats in our juice.i just think of it as progress towards a healthier life.
I have thought about this a lot, because as a new vaper, for whatever reason, it is hard to not worry a little - yeah because it is an unknown...but I think I know the exact reason why - because for the large majority of people IT IS SO FREAKING EASY to quit smoking by vaping...almost too easy, you know? We have all learned that in life usually things are not so easy...like getting rich quick, etc. Perhaps one of those "too good to be true" type things. While me may not admit it constantly I think that many of us have that subconscious feeling of excitement that we are finally free from the prison of tobacco, yet also wondering if there is indeed something we should be worried about. I agree that it is so strange to have these thoughts because I mean OBVIOUSLY analogs are absolutely freaking horrible. But I suppose knowing, even if it is all bad stuff (like with analogs), is better than unknowns...it is just human nature.
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Lets say you have a cold and your nasal passages are stuffed up. My grandmother (and she learned it from her grandmother, etc) taught me to boil water in a pot, then place the pot of boiling water on the table. Drape a towel over your head and breathe in the vapor from the boiling water for 5 to 10 minutes. Voila, you can breathe again!
Try that with burning tobacco leaves. (No wait, I'm kidding, don't do it!)
Try that with burning tobacco leaves. (No wait, I'm kidding, don't do it!)
I still do the towel over my head thing when I have a cold & can't breath!!!
And when the cold is really bad you place a vaporizer (with Vicks or something similar) in your room or your child's room to help with the symptoms overnight.
By this logic, should we still label everyone who has given up alcohol a "drinker"? I'll bet they still technically swallow liquids (water, coffee, juice). I haven't really cared about having to label people since High School when it matters to your peers whether you're a "jock" or a "prep" or a "stoner". But hey, whatever you gotta do to make sense of this crazy world we live in...
My father would blow smoke in my ear when I was little, for earaches
No wonder I had constant ear infections and allergies!
Or what comes out of your ears, if you try to read too many threads like this one.
I might have to disagree with that one, Fulgurant. I'm pretty sure that's really smoke.
This thread just popped into my head and I thought I'd update it with my random Easter thoughts. What this post essentially reflects is a desire to moralize. From the "devil's advocate" framing at the beginning we are really being asked "shouldn't you be ashamed of yourselves?" It's a part of America's puritanical streak and in recent history cigarette smoking has been stigmatized, largely rightly, but this effort by smokers to "rebrand" must not stand!
It's not so much about the junior high level debate on the semantics of smoking. It's asking "smoking is bad and you do something like smoking so aren't you still being naughty?" It's a juvenile way of seeing the issue and framing it around a disingenuous non scientific discussion about smoke.
So let's put it out there: we aren't ashamed of ourselves. Are most of us ashamed by stunt vapers giving us a bad name? Yes. Are we ashamed of sketchy vendors and fight to expose them? Yes. Are we ashamed to vape in our cars with children? Some of us don't. Some of us think the window is enough like old school attitudes about smoking. Some of us don't care. It's more complicated than "you are doing something like smoking and consuming the same drug" a drug by the way that certainly is an addictive drug but like coffee has an unmistakable attachment to American culture.
So no, it's not smoking. It's fulfilling similar desires. Its benefits are subject to research, debate, and discussion, but you can't shame people simply by telling them with glee (as we've all experienced) "you're still smoking but just denying it huh?" It is different. That's what brought us here. Being 'not smoking' doesn't automatically make it "healthy." But the goal here is to keep the stigma alive, not discuss semantics.
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It's not so much about the junior high level debate on the semantics of smoking. It's asking "smoking is bad and you do something like smoking so aren't you still being naughty?" It's a juvenile way of seeing the issue and framing it around a disingenuous non scientific discussion about smoke.
So let's put it out there: we aren't ashamed of ourselves. Are most of us ashamed by stunt vapers giving us a bad name? Yes. Are we ashamed of sketchy vendors and fight to expose them? Yes. Are we ashamed to vape in our cars with children? Some of us don't. Some of us think the window is enough like old school attitudes about smoking. Some of us don't care. It's more complicated than "you are doing something like smoking and consuming the same drug" a drug by the way that certainly is an addictive drug but like coffee has an unmistakable attachment to American culture.
So no, it's not smoking. It's fulfilling similar desires. Its benefits are subject to research, debate, and discussion, but you can't shame people simply by telling them with glee (as we've all experienced) "you're still smoking but just denying it huh?" It is different. That's what brought us here. Being 'not smoking' doesn't automatically make it "healthy." But the goal here is to keep the stigma alive, not discuss semantics.
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By the way I don't mean to say that the reasonable respondents are being juvenile, but arguing that the difference between the two is "Just words" leads one to ask "what is your goal?" certainly the effort to link consuming mild stimulants like caffeine and nicotine to being a .... "junkie" was a desperate ill thought one. Certainly "adrenaline junkies" should be ashamed too, especially the ones with kids.
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I mentioned earlier that "it isn't just semantics". There is a much deeper meaning to my statement but that discussion STARTS with the difference between vapor/vaping and smoke/smoking then moves into the difference in what is being consumed. Perhaps it hasn't cohesively strung together by any one person in this thread but the point has been made in this thread, for anyone that is willing to hear it.
Yes, you are Wrong ... If I am not lighting a substance with fire, and therefore causing it to burn with smoke, and inhaling it, then I AM NOT SMOKING. Quite frankly I don't agree with the logic beyond your reasoning, but to each their own. 
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