Big Tobacco's involvement in e-cigs; good or bad?

[wv2win]

In case any one reading this thread is still confused as to whether having BT in the vaping business is a good or bad thing, read this thread. And this is just the tip of the iceberg:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tobacco-moving-into-ecig-world-good-read.html

 

[Factor52]

This forum has virtually no influence outside of this forum. For almost everyone but us, this doesn’t exist. As to the proposed tax and where it comes from… 75% of Americans neither smoke nor vape nor use smokeless tobacco. The states, especially places like New York, like so-called sin taxes because the majority of people simply don’t care. They don’t have to pay the tax. So the state gets more money. CASSA, at least, gets people into the hearings. It does help. I suggest we worry less about BT and more about our legislators.

A few years back Massachusetts (Connecticut or somebody, I forget) declared a whole neighborhood condemned for Imminent Domain. This was for a commercial development that never actually happened. Anyway, it should have been unconstitutional (according to the text anyway) except the Supreme Court disagreed and they took the peoples land for an average of 90 cents on the dollar from what it was worth. And the fat cats they did it for never developed the site. So whatever city it was lost out tens of thousands of dollars defending it and the people were out their land and the money for fighting it. Plus the city lost whatever property tax they had been collecting on the old neighborhood.

Political Science 101. The government can do whatever it wants then we can sue for cause. If we win they have to stop, fix, or whatever. That’s the constitution. But… It’s also the government that decides if it’s OK. The odds are not in our favor.

That was New London CT. Eminent Domain for No One's Gain: New London Groundbreaking Ceremony Postponed - Hit & Run : Reason.com

 

[jaamzhow]

The Pols can't ban nicotine. That's reeks of tyranny. Narcotics are easily justified due to the numbing nature and criminal elements... I ultimately wouldn't kill for a camel - although I have paid an arm and legs worth.

 

[jaamzhow]

Altria Group: E-Cigarettes Or Die?
Altria Group: E-Cigarettes Or Die? - Forbes

 

[wv2win]

The Pols can't ban nicotine. That's reeks of tyranny. Narcotics are easily justified due to the numbing nature and criminal elements... I ultimately wouldn't kill for a camel - although I have paid an arm and legs worth.

They can make it so difficult and expensive to get nicotine that it would effectively be a ban.

 

[jaamzhow]

There will be situations such as Bloomberg banning soda to overcompensate for his Napoleonic 5"4" size; I don't see nicotine 'generally' being banned and since the internet overcomes these local tyrants.

 

[wv2win]

There will be situations such as Bloomberg banning soda to overcompensate for his Napoleonic 5"4" size; I don't see nicotine 'generally' being banned and since the internet overcomes these local tyrants.

I guess you don't know the history of vaping and the forces aligned against it. They tried to ban vaping completely in 2009 and went to court 6 times all the way to the appelate division. If their new "deeming" regulations are approved, they can do pretty much as they please. And you can place all the internet orders you want, just like we did back in 2009 before the court cases were settled. And both suppliers and consumers lost thousands of dollars in confiscated goods. Thinking that there is nothing to worry about is naive, at best.

 

[crxess]

I guess you don't know the history of vaping and the forces aligned against it. They tried to ban vaping completely in 2009 and went to court 6 times all the way to the appelate division. If their new "deeming" regulations are approved, they can do pretty much as they please. And you can place all the internet orders you want, just like we did back in 2009 before the court cases were settled. And both suppliers and consumers lost thousands of dollars in confiscated goods. Thinking that there is nothing to worry about is naive, at best.

Yep, but preparedness is big +. Nic for 5 yrs in the Freezer and with my Nic reduction schedule in effect they can kiss my -0- Nic Vaping NON taxable Behind

 

[jaamzhow]

Thats why I asked about big tobacco and their $$$$ and political power if there might be some benefits to them involved in the ecig market. They kept a deadly product on the shelves against a formidable backlash - and still do.