Bloomberg TV: Do E-Cigarettes Encourage People to Smoke Tobacco? [insight]
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This is the conversation a friend had with her young son when he asked about the vaping, and similar to the one I had with my granddaughter. These kids were 10 and 6, respectively. They both grasped a couple of important things. First, that it was not smoking, and second, that PVs were for people who had a bad habit and were trying to quit it. Third, that what we were doing was not wrong or bad but rather, to be commended - a positive thing.
I guess it's hard to talk about people improving their lives if you allow your kids to be shielded from reality.
Yep, I might be one of the only CASAA people I know that disagrees with CASAA on this one. As if THIS is why NYC really banned indoor vaping and/or if those people just wouldn't have vaped at that hearing, then perhaps NYC would allow all vapers to vape indoors in NYC. (Jman rolls his eyes)
If one can openly vape respectfully in one location, then I see no reason why they can't openly vape respectfully in another location, even if that be a governmental building and hearing on whether or not to allow vaping indoors.
Talking about vaping indoors only goes so far. When it is about a decision being made, I would think there is no better time than that to demonstrate it in action, perhaps just preface it with, "here let me show you."
Actually, that sounds like an outstanding marketing tool. Rather showing celebrities or women in skimpy attire in e cig commercials. Show kids excited that their parents were no longer smoking. Talk about getting a rise out of the ANTZ.
You just flashed me to the Filmore East 1968- The Fugs (xxx rated) The Fugs - Saran Wrap (Live At Filmore East 1968) - YouTube
A dream (which I happen to share) that is as unlikely as a smoke free world. What would become of all those tax number crunchers?
Another tv ad.
Yes, it is good to have an idea about how these folks think. And what she seems to think is that it's ok for society to stifle other people's freedom, shuttling them off to dark corners and in the cold, in order to prevent her from having to talk to her kids about cigarettes.
It shows how narcissistic and selfish she really is. And what a sense of entitlement. I want to walk around not having to see things that I don't like, too. I would like for people like her to be sent 30 feet from the building before they open their mouths to talk. That way my kids will not have ever have to listen to such self-centered demands.
It shows that she is a horrible parent who prefers to hide the truth from her kids -- leaving them totally unprepared to handle any kind of decision about that reality, when they do encounter it on their own.
Consider the source folks. Its Bloomberg T.V.
Brought to you by the same "man" who brought you the N.Y City soda ban and who thinks that its the governments job to make our decisions for us because were all so much dumber than they are.
Brought to you by the same "man" who brought you the N.Y City soda ban and who thinks that its the governments job to make our decisions for us because were all so much dumber than they are.
I would just like to submit that (it seems that) many people (vapers & non-vapers alike) don't know or don't care about respect, which is the concern for me. This is simply based on my own life experience. I can't speak for CASAA or anyone else concerned about vaping indoors "inappropriately".
I'm glad you put that last word in quotes, as I find it challenging to decipher what some people, particularly fellow vapers, find disrespectful about vaping indoors.
Cause right now the message from CASAA to vapers at hearings is - do not vape during the hearing. When it could just as well be, if you choose to vape during the hearing, please do so with the utmost respect. Or even, we are going to encourage people to vape during this hearing to demonstrate how vaping indoors can be done respectfully. If you have any questions on what that means, please ask a fellow CASAA member.
Instead all people, including some vapers, jump to the grossly obvious position of (intentionally) blowing vapor in people's faces, as if a respectful vaper is going to somehow stand by that as what it means to vape indoors with respect.
Perhaps all businesses (indoors or outdoors), including parks and beaches, could just put up a sign that says, "no vaping here because someday there may be a governmental hearing here. Thank you for your respect."
Thank you. Very well put indeed.
This needed to be said. And it needs to be said every time that somebody claims that every person who vapes indoors / in public / anywhere in the vicinity of other persons will - immediately, intentionally and unavoidably - go out of his way to "blow vapor into people's faces".
Thank you very much.
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And now excuse me while I go and drink a cup of coffee. Of course, I will slurp it loudly, smack my lips, spill half of it on other people's clothes and then let out an ear-shattering belch. That is how coffee drinkers drink coffee, you know.
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Sex?
She is one who thinks that sex education belongs in kindergarten and is to be taught by the schools.
But dear, you see, when children even know that there is such a thing as sex, they will automatically be condemned to a life-long addiction to sex!
They will have sex - with other people no less - and they will multiply!
They will have children themselves - through having sex!
And they might even become such hysterical helicopter mothers themselves.
Uh...
ok...
BAN SEX!!!!
Thank you. Very well put indeed.
This needed to be said. And it needs to be said every time that somebody claims that every person who vapes indoors / in public / anywhere in the vicinity of other persons will - immediately, intentionally and unavoidably - go out of his way to "blow vapor into people's faces".
Thank you very much.
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And now excuse me while I go and drink a cup of coffee. Of course, I will slurp it loudly, smack my lips, spill half of it on other people's clothes and then let out an ear-shattering belch. That is how coffee drinkers drink coffee, you know.
I admit to making my mom's car smell faintly like Count Chocula cereal yesterday with Mocha vapor. I have done much worse eating Indian Curry take-out on the commuter train once but then I've also been stuck in crowded train cars with people who have major flatulence and hygiene issues.
Uh...
ok...
BAN SEX!!!!
You can't. It's a bodily function. Like texting, or googling.
Here's an actual conservation with young grade schoolers, who knew I smoked for years...
Me: taking a few draws...
Them: What's that?
Me: My medicine, it keeps me from smoking
Them: Oh, cool!! Can we go play football outside, come-on now, you can talk later, let's play now.
I've had the same conversation! The kids get incredibly excited & can't wait to get home and share the good news with their parents who still smoke. The hope in their eyes is second to none.
Saw this on an FB status today: I wish it were appropriate to say to a complete stranger, "Excuse me, would you like me to show you how to discipline your child?"
I believe the reason that CASAA and anyone else that testifies often in these hearings suggest not to do so, is that it gives the opposition a tool. They can state that the vaping physically affected them when they testify.
I am shocked!
You do know that you are giving all coffee drinkers a bad name, aren't you?
Anybody who drinks coffee in a way that I (moi) say is not "appropriate" should be ashamed of themselves!
Only I (moi) lay down what is "appropriate" coffee drinking behavior. And I (moi) expect - no: I demand - that all coffee drinkers adhere to my own principles and opinions. Or else!
Soon, coffee drinking will be banned everywhere. And it will all be your fault! So there!
(those who find traces of irony or sarcasm are welcome to keep them
)Couldn't and/or wouldn't they say this if vapers weren't vaping?
I think from vapers perspective, this would be a tool of deception. If they are going to play that card, and it is going to be effective, it wouldn't matter if it was occurring then and there. Heck, one could say, "I've been vaping in the back this whole time, and you all didn't even notice it" and that person could be telling a lie as well. Then I'd like to hear the opposition claim, "that vaper made me feel ill with all the vapor they were putting into this enclosed space." That'd be a hoot to hear that one.
In reality, if SHV is actually making people feel physically ill, then it is hard to justify it being done indoors. But a vaper like myself (and countless others) are yet to vape indoors and have a friend/family member say they are feeling, even a little bit, ill from it. So, if opposition is willing to use deception to make a point right at the hearing, then I think it is time to fight fire with fire (and exercise deception as form of rhetoric).
Thus vaping respectfully, or saying you vaped (but didn't) at a hearing still makes sense to me.
I am shocked!
You do know that you are giving all coffee drinkers a bad name, aren't you?
Anybody who drinks coffee in a way that I (moi) say is not "appropriate" should be ashamed of themselves!
Only I (moi) lay down what is "appropriate" coffee drinking behavior. And I (moi) expect - no: I demand - that all coffee drinkers adhere to my own principles and opinions. Or else!
Soon, coffee drinking will be banned everywhere. And it will all be your fault! So there!
(those who find traces of irony or sarcasm are welcome to keep them
I can change!! Really I can!!
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