I'll try it when you try mine! lol.. J/K.
I'll give it a go late tonight when i get a chance.. kids all day today. FREE DAY TOMORROW! WHOO HOO! hehe.
Blue Foam PLUG! UPDATED v2.0 "THE SLUG" - The Search is over!
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I'll try it when you try mine! lol.. J/K.
I'll give it a go late tonight when i get a chance.. kids all day today. FREE DAY TOMORROW! WHOO HOO! hehe.
eclypse great ideas!! you should change your line: "The search is over... and yet always on!!!!!" hahaha
I think both kristin and eclypse are giving us great ideas, in my experience trial and error with all of them had me going through a lot of juice!!!
But I think with 901's and 510's it's easy to nail any of the mods and the subsecuent variations of them, so basically 901's and 510's carts are easy to mod.
The problem IMO is to find a working mod for 801's. It is really a shame that this model has so much cart space wasted. Is the 801 that had me going through a lot of juice, you try it, then it leaks, wipe it off, try another density of plug fill the cart again, it doesn't wick, recover the juice within the cart, etc
I guess I'll keep trying...
By the way, that last photo of the shotgun where you can see how the foam plug "holds" the mesh is beautiful eclypse, I've always wanted to be able to see that... THANK YOU!!
I think both kristin and eclypse are giving us great ideas, in my experience trial and error with all of them had me going through a lot of juice!!!
But I think with 901's and 510's it's easy to nail any of the mods and the subsecuent variations of them, so basically 901's and 510's carts are easy to mod.
The problem IMO is to find a working mod for 801's. It is really a shame that this model has so much cart space wasted. Is the 801 that had me going through a lot of juice, you try it, then it leaks, wipe it off, try another density of plug fill the cart again, it doesn't wick, recover the juice within the cart, etc
I guess I'll keep trying...
By the way, that last photo of the shotgun where you can see how the foam plug "holds" the mesh is beautiful eclypse, I've always wanted to be able to see that... THANK YOU!!
Its a true learning experaince
I have a new 801 atty.. just no damn 801 carts. Forgot to add one in my last order. I'll get one hopefully before the year is over hehe.
I've never seen what that cart looks like though i'd imagine that a long straw and a perfect sized slug would take care of it. I'd use a straw that isint too large as you mostly would want it in the middle of the cart so it would hold the slug good.
Thanks! Yeah i have a dead 801 atty that i will cut open so i can do the same with it as that cut open 510 atty and cart.
This is gona be a long post...
Today was a free day for me as i had my sister-in-law watch my 2 young kids.. Well not a long free day but just till 6PM when my wife gets off of work and brings the kids home. Not many of those left before the years end as my wife works in retail with the holiday season apon us. So i spent the whole free time i had FINALLY trying some stuff that i've been thinking about the past few days.
About 2 days ago i figured something out.. that a plug is not the best idea. Well most of the time it works good but theres times it dry fires while theres still some juice left in the tank.
last week i did something which i thought was strange and got a wierd result.. I held a full cart of juice upside down and noticed that the juice was holding.. like it sealed itself. I had to tip it to one side for the jucie to follow the wall and gravity to take over.. Was quite an eye opener.
So with that happening i thought about the times that the device dry fired and all the times i would leave the out to go shopping and the damn thing would always not work without shaking the thing downward to get the juice to flow to the slug... Then i thought about why the shotgun slug was doing the same thing. Here it has dual small round chambers as i cut and folded over a straw. Here juice would seal in there as well.. i guess traped air or its just that its a round juice container that allows the juice to seal and hold. I thought to myself that i need to so something as juice needs a path to follow so it wont hold there with no where to go.
Today i get up around 10:30AM.. Slept in Late night with 2 kids that could not shut it off and go to sleep!
First thing i try is to drill a super tiny hole in the bottom middle of the cart so i can shove something in there.. A long spike, a couple of brissles from a hair brush.. I tried that but i'd have to glue them in and i dont want to do that. So i did the next best thing.. i grabbed a tooth pick! hehe. The thin tip was the perfect size to fit in the hole and hold. I then but it to the right size so it would be level with the inner ledge/lips of the 510 cart. It would work as both a bridge to hold the slug and direct the juice towards the slug. First i filled it up to the top and tipped the cart upside down to see if the juice would flow out and drip.. Yup its dripping! Was ok.. a little big so i'd have to thin the tooth pick out some. Then figured it prob was'nt a good thing as i'm sure it would fall out on the run.
Then i tried the thin plastic bridge piece down in the cart to hold the plug and hopefully would help in wicking as it would stop the juice from holding down in the cart.
I'll just quote my post from ADM-PC: Automatic Drop Mod - Paper Clip Variant
See his mod for a visual of the plastic piece.
Works great and wicks like a mother! Flat piece so the juice at the bottom can flow across the plastic to the slug.
Easy to do as everyones gona have some of that plastic laying around the house in some packaging.. I can imagine a life time supply at christmas morning for those of you with kids! hehe.
Continued to the next post as i dont want to run out of space..
Today was a free day for me as i had my sister-in-law watch my 2 young kids.. Well not a long free day but just till 6PM when my wife gets off of work and brings the kids home. Not many of those left before the years end as my wife works in retail with the holiday season apon us. So i spent the whole free time i had FINALLY trying some stuff that i've been thinking about the past few days.
About 2 days ago i figured something out.. that a plug is not the best idea. Well most of the time it works good but theres times it dry fires while theres still some juice left in the tank.
last week i did something which i thought was strange and got a wierd result.. I held a full cart of juice upside down and noticed that the juice was holding.. like it sealed itself. I had to tip it to one side for the jucie to follow the wall and gravity to take over.. Was quite an eye opener.
So with that happening i thought about the times that the device dry fired and all the times i would leave the out to go shopping and the damn thing would always not work without shaking the thing downward to get the juice to flow to the slug... Then i thought about why the shotgun slug was doing the same thing. Here it has dual small round chambers as i cut and folded over a straw. Here juice would seal in there as well.. i guess traped air or its just that its a round juice container that allows the juice to seal and hold. I thought to myself that i need to so something as juice needs a path to follow so it wont hold there with no where to go.
Today i get up around 10:30AM.. Slept in
Late night with 2 kids that could not shut it off and go to sleep!First thing i try is to drill a super tiny hole in the bottom middle of the cart so i can shove something in there.. A long spike, a couple of brissles from a hair brush.. I tried that but i'd have to glue them in and i dont want to do that. So i did the next best thing.. i grabbed a tooth pick! hehe. The thin tip was the perfect size to fit in the hole and hold. I then but it to the right size so it would be level with the inner ledge/lips of the 510 cart. It would work as both a bridge to hold the slug and direct the juice towards the slug. First i filled it up to the top and tipped the cart upside down to see if the juice would flow out and drip.. Yup its dripping! Was ok.. a little big so i'd have to thin the tooth pick out some. Then figured it prob was'nt a good thing as i'm sure it would fall out on the run.
Then i tried the thin plastic bridge piece down in the cart to hold the plug and hopefully would help in wicking as it would stop the juice from holding down in the cart.
I'll just quote my post from ADM-PC: Automatic Drop Mod - Paper Clip Variant
See his mod for a visual of the plastic piece.
Hey, found the perfect plastic for your mod.. Find a blister back.. or for better terms, use a plastic that you find in packaging. You know how they package stuff up in that clear thin plastic so you can see the product in the package? Thats the stuff hehe.
I used the plastic packaging from my battery charger i got in the mail 2 weeks ago.. Its thin and clear.. so it will be strong and dye free as theres no color. Clear is also a good thing as its non pourious and smooth.. so no worries about the juice holding or anything growing on it after time hehe. The juice will run down it quick with no abstuction from holes or anything else to slow it down.
I messed with that and a crap load of other stuff all day today from 10:30 this morning till now. Used up about 30ml of juice between 2 flavors i didnt care for.
DONT cut "v" shapes or holes or anything else in it.. just go from corner to corver as you have and cut it at 1/2" tall and around 5/16th of an inch wide.. cut it a hair thinner if needed.. It will bow a little but thats what you'll want so its nice and tight in there.. That way you dont have to worry about it wiggling free or falling out if and when you rinse the cart out.
Works great with the blue foam slug.
I'm gona go report this same thing in my thread.
Works great and wicks like a mother! Flat piece so the juice at the bottom can flow across the plastic to the slug.
Easy to do as everyones gona have some of that plastic laying around the house in some packaging.. I can imagine a life time supply at christmas morning for those of you with kids! hehe.
Continued to the next post as i dont want to run out of space..
Oh real quick.. i forgot to mention a great example of a good wicking cart filler that helps prove my point that juice needs something down in the cart to help the flow of the juice.. but not too much as it will just bog it down and hold the juice from moving like alot of fillers out there..
The "Shredded" Pyramid Tea Bag Mod. All those little long pieces down the full length of the cart grabing up the juice and directing it to the atty. Not too dense to trap the juice.. I've never experianced anything that wicked like that before.. when i found that mod i thought thats it!
Well, untill i had to remove it to clean that is.. That was a bish! That plus the the little pieces would get bent up where the atty bridge touches it. It also leaked alot as well. Gets brittle after a couple of days and you'll waste juice as the there would always be some left over in the tea bag when you pull it out. Seemed too expensive as well at $3 bucks a box of 20 bags.
Back on subject with my day of experimenting..
While i'm trying like 5-6 different carts all with different things below the slug.. i find the one working the best is between 2. One has a new slug shaped like a T. A slug on top with tenticles! lol.. Works great but i'm sure too complicated for people to cut. So its a T shape and the bottom part is cut up into thin pieces that go the length of the cart touching the bottom. And the other is the one with the plastic wall/bridge under the slug.
Both work great but.. while i was vaping down on those i had an idea. While i was cutting a long strip of it out of the blue foam i was laughing at myslef as i almost did this mod back when i was taking pictures of the "how to make the slug" post. I figured it has to work and work great i bet.
Heres how i made the new "Full length Slug" Gota work on that name.
As you normally would cut out a long piece of the blue foam to make the slug: Cut out a long piece of the foam thats 3 16ths wide the full length of the square of the foam.
Now shove that thin piece in the cart like in the picture i barrowed from the "slug how to". ignore the text in the picture as this one is different as you want it going all the way down the cart.
You'll end up having 1 giganticly long slug in the normal U shape but the bottom of the U will be touching the bottom of the cart and the sides of the U will run up each short wall. Then cut the excess off the top of the cart. Spread the slug halfs out as you normally would so theres an opening in the middle. Now fill it up!
What you'll have is NOW an easy to fill up slug that HAS SUPER FULL FLAVOR! Wicks like a champ! The opening will allow air in so no juice will seal in the cart. The sides of the U shape will hold the juice and allow it to flow. No juice will be left behind or seal "Hold" in the bottom as theres foam going across the bottom as well. All one piece flowing straight to the wick of the atty!
I dont know why its got massive flavor.. the opening or that its airy enough for the juice to flow or what.. I thought it was just a fluke or that the batty had a higher charge then the other one with the other mod but i swaped the attys and cart to the other 510 battery and the flavor was still there!
So.. with a plug theres not much air flow and no flavor.. With the full length slug its crazy flavor!
Have not emptied it yet as i attempted to refill it after a bunch of hits to see if i could still top it off easy without removing the slug.. and yes, yes i can! Just add drops right in the middle and watch them soak down the cart in a hurry.
No leakage as theres enough foam in there holding the juice.. just dont over flow it when you add juice.. if you do you can just suck it back into the bottle. Thats what i've been doing with the plastic dropper bottles i've been using. Just squeeze them a little and then insert the dropper head into the filler and release. It should suck the some juice out of the cart and back into the bottle so you dont waste.
Someone with some blue foam better try this and comfirm the massive flavor!
The "Shredded" Pyramid Tea Bag Mod. All those little long pieces down the full length of the cart grabing up the juice and directing it to the atty. Not too dense to trap the juice.. I've never experianced anything that wicked like that before.. when i found that mod i thought thats it!
Well, untill i had to remove it to clean that is.. That was a bish! That plus the the little pieces would get bent up where the atty bridge touches it. It also leaked alot as well. Gets brittle after a couple of days and you'll waste juice as the there would always be some left over in the tea bag when you pull it out. Seemed too expensive as well at $3 bucks a box of 20 bags.
Back on subject with my day of experimenting..
While i'm trying like 5-6 different carts all with different things below the slug.. i find the one working the best is between 2. One has a new slug shaped like a T. A slug on top with tenticles! lol.. Works great but i'm sure too complicated for people to cut. So its a T shape and the bottom part is cut up into thin pieces that go the length of the cart touching the bottom. And the other is the one with the plastic wall/bridge under the slug.
Both work great but.. while i was vaping down on those i had an idea. While i was cutting a long strip of it out of the blue foam i was laughing at myslef as i almost did this mod back when i was taking pictures of the "how to make the slug" post. I figured it has to work and work great i bet.
Heres how i made the new "Full length Slug" Gota work on that name.
As you normally would cut out a long piece of the blue foam to make the slug: Cut out a long piece of the foam thats 3 16ths wide the full length of the square of the foam.
Now shove that thin piece in the cart like in the picture i barrowed from the "slug how to". ignore the text in the picture as this one is different as you want it going all the way down the cart.
You'll end up having 1 giganticly long slug in the normal U shape but the bottom of the U will be touching the bottom of the cart and the sides of the U will run up each short wall. Then cut the excess off the top of the cart. Spread the slug halfs out as you normally would so theres an opening in the middle. Now fill it up!
What you'll have is NOW an easy to fill up slug that HAS SUPER FULL FLAVOR! Wicks like a champ! The opening will allow air in so no juice will seal in the cart. The sides of the U shape will hold the juice and allow it to flow. No juice will be left behind or seal "Hold" in the bottom as theres foam going across the bottom as well. All one piece flowing straight to the wick of the atty!
I dont know why its got massive flavor.. the opening or that its airy enough for the juice to flow or what.. I thought it was just a fluke or that the batty had a higher charge then the other one with the other mod but i swaped the attys and cart to the other 510 battery and the flavor was still there!
So.. with a plug theres not much air flow and no flavor.. With the full length slug its crazy flavor!
Have not emptied it yet as i attempted to refill it after a bunch of hits to see if i could still top it off easy without removing the slug.. and yes, yes i can! Just add drops right in the middle and watch them soak down the cart in a hurry.
No leakage as theres enough foam in there holding the juice.. just dont over flow it when you add juice.. if you do you can just suck it back into the bottle. Thats what i've been doing with the plastic dropper bottles i've been using. Just squeeze them a little and then insert the dropper head into the filler and release. It should suck the some juice out of the cart and back into the bottle so you dont waste.
Someone with some blue foam better try this and comfirm the massive flavor!
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OK. You got me. I'm trying it now. Just so I understand, you are using a slug that runs the full length of the cart? You would think it would be too compressed but it's drawing well. Very well. I sure hope this works cuz we need something that is repeatable and consistant. All these mods work great some of time but not every time. I'll let you know how it goes. I did fill up quite easily. I hope it refills that well!!
Welp, after the few couple of refills, it must be holding juice down in there or holding air as i cant drip that many drops on top.. it just pools after 5-6 drops. I have'nt let it completely run dry but close.. when the vaper thinned i would try refilling.
Will try to run it dry this time... not looking good though.
Glad i still have the slug hehe.
Oh i'm even trying a shredded blue foam just for the hell of it.. easy to refill but leaks.. I think the upside down shredded slug seems to work good.. but i'll have to run that side by side with a normal slug to see if theres an improvement over the normal slug or not.
Will try to run it dry this time... not looking good though.
Glad i still have the slug hehe.
Oh i'm even trying a shredded blue foam just for the hell of it.. easy to refill but leaks.. I think the upside down shredded slug seems to work good.. but i'll have to run that side by side with a normal slug to see if theres an improvement over the normal slug or not.
The full length slug didn't work for me either. This is frustrating because no other factor has a greater impact on vaping pleasure than getting a cart that works properly every time. Back to the drawing board (and slug).
I think i figured out why its so hard to refill.. Forgot the damn cart is tapered after the lip. So here the slug is the right size for the top part of the cart but down inside its smaller and the foam at 1/4" thick its is really squished and holding juice. Yeah i could make it thinner at the bottom to fit better but screw it as it would end up being too complicated for people to do.
heh.. i even tried some PG juice i have as its a lot thinner and that was still a no go.. the same after 5-6 drops it would pool.
P.S. I still have the same slugs i cut from the begining! lol. Still work good even though there a little squished. When i pull them out i just pat them dry between a paper towel and refill and slap it back in. Cant complain about that. So i guess they will last a month or more each.. I should make some new ones.
heh.. i even tried some PG juice i have as its a lot thinner and that was still a no go.. the same after 5-6 drops it would pool.
P.S. I still have the same slugs i cut from the begining! lol. Still work good even though there a little squished. When i pull them out i just pat them dry between a paper towel and refill and slap it back in. Cant complain about that. So i guess they will last a month or more each.. I should make some new ones.
Just for the hell of it I did some dripping today. Wow, that's what my juice is supposed to taste like. Well, I'm throwing in the towel on these cartridge mods for a while. and just dripping. I hope that the holy grail for carts is found and I have no doubt that either eclypse or Kristin will do so eventually but right now, it's so nice just knowing that I can get 8-10 great tasting puffs without worrying if the cart is gonna vape to the end.
Good luck!
Good luck!
HAHAHA, yep, at some point it becomes and obsession and you spend a lot of time and liquid trying to make it work, my 801 just for dripping, my 510 and 901 they both work great with a straw-plug mod with polyfill
@ Eclypse
I know you suggested that I "Might want to start a new thread for that mod"... but if you look back on what I posted:
Blue Foam Variation
I think you will see my suggestion is of the same principle you are now discovering... need something in the tank to 'direct' the juice to the atty...
Now that I can - I attached the PDF showing my diagrams.
I give full credit to you for the idea sparking in my head...
I've been using this for almost 2 weeks - love it...
Only change to the original write up is I do use a paperclip to push aside the foam as I refill, but only because it's faster. It also allows for an easy reposition of the foam...
You can also make the indcated start of the angled cut at 7 mm from the top to give even more room in the tank... still doesn't leak - but I use a 50% VG liquid...
Just my $0.02...
-bogie
I know you suggested that I "Might want to start a new thread for that mod"... but if you look back on what I posted:
Blue Foam Variation
I think you will see my suggestion is of the same principle you are now discovering... need something in the tank to 'direct' the juice to the atty...
Now that I can - I attached the PDF showing my diagrams.
I give full credit to you for the idea sparking in my head...
I've been using this for almost 2 weeks - love it...
Only change to the original write up is I do use a paperclip to push aside the foam as I refill, but only because it's faster. It also allows for an easy reposition of the foam...
You can also make the indcated start of the angled cut at 7 mm from the top to give even more room in the tank... still doesn't leak - but I use a 50% VG liquid...
Just my $0.02...
-bogie
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Your design is quite different then my plug. Your acts more like a full cart of foam but has a spring action to it with the long V cut.
I've found the full cart to not be that good as the inner cart tapers down alot so the normal thickness of the foam is too squished and holds juice.
I'll try it out though just to see when i get a chance.
@ Nietzsc
My post above yours has a PDF file attached (need Acrobat reader to open)
download latest at Adobe - Adobe Reader download - All versions
Or try this link to a place I posted it before I could attach files...
http://i.imgur.com/9gf0i.png
Once you get there, you need to click on the image to make it big enough to read... though it is still difficult.
Hope this helps...
-bogie
EDIT: Reread your post - I tried to attach it again to see if it made a difference, but even with a slighty different name, the system won't let me...
My post above yours has a PDF file attached (need Acrobat reader to open)
download latest at Adobe - Adobe Reader download - All versions
Or try this link to a place I posted it before I could attach files...
http://i.imgur.com/9gf0i.png
Once you get there, you need to click on the image to make it big enough to read... though it is still difficult.
Hope this helps...
-bogie
EDIT: Reread your post - I tried to attach it again to see if it made a difference, but even with a slighty different name, the system won't let me...
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I'm going to have to totally redesign something for high voltage.. twice now i've tried to empty a cart before i get that dry taste and both times it seemed dry there has half a tank left over.
Figures.. the thing at 6 volts is suckin down juice faster then the slug can provide.
I'll figure this out! And yes High voltage is awesome! No metled carts yet on the 510.
Figures.. the thing at 6 volts is suckin down juice faster then the slug can provide.
I'll figure this out! And yes High voltage is awesome! No metled carts yet on the 510.
I believe i got this prob licked.
Design flaw of the cart forsure.. well they didnt intend for it to be used with a plug as a filler so you cant complain.
Its all in how you hold the damn thing. If you hold it at the right angle the juice will flow down the cart. if you hold it at a different angle or straight up and down the juice at the bottom will stay put cause of air trapped in the top of the cart.
I bet anything that the 901/801 carts dont have this damn prob.. Its all cause of the inner ridge/lips in the cart. Where the cart tapers in to make room for the outside air path. Cause of that theres the area below the lip is under air from the larger area above. So the juice will hold put unless you tilt the cart at an angle in the right direction (short side) and gravity will take over and the juice will flow down the side wall. IF you tilt the cart on an angle where the lip is (long side) the juice will just hold.
Pretty crazy stuff.. and you can try it out pretty easy buy filling the cart just below the lip and hold the cart upside down. Hold a flash light on the bottom so you can see for yourself. Tilt it on an angle with the short side (no lips in the way) and it will flow. Tilt it with the long side facing down on an angle and the juice will stay put.
This is freakin why sometimes the cart will hold juice and sometimes you'll get that dry fire where it seems dry but theres plenty in the tank.. other times its working like a champ. Why its different sometimes is how the cart lines up with the way your holding it or hitting it.
So.. The fix is simple. Must have a deeper plug the goes below the lip! Either that or use a staw that goes above the lips to the plug.
hehe.. nuts!
This is why the slug i was using with little tenticles or legs seemed to work good.
I'll get this all tested and a new version of the slug out this weekend.. might have to change the name as the prototype i'm using looks more like a ribbon or tie.. hehe.
Loving the HIGH VOLTAGE!!! yeah baby yeah!
Design flaw of the cart forsure.. well they didnt intend for it to be used with a plug as a filler so you cant complain.
Its all in how you hold the damn thing. If you hold it at the right angle the juice will flow down the cart. if you hold it at a different angle or straight up and down the juice at the bottom will stay put cause of air trapped in the top of the cart.
I bet anything that the 901/801 carts dont have this damn prob.. Its all cause of the inner ridge/lips in the cart. Where the cart tapers in to make room for the outside air path. Cause of that theres the area below the lip is under air from the larger area above. So the juice will hold put unless you tilt the cart at an angle in the right direction (short side) and gravity will take over and the juice will flow down the side wall. IF you tilt the cart on an angle where the lip is (long side) the juice will just hold.
Pretty crazy stuff.. and you can try it out pretty easy buy filling the cart just below the lip and hold the cart upside down. Hold a flash light on the bottom so you can see for yourself. Tilt it on an angle with the short side (no lips in the way) and it will flow. Tilt it with the long side facing down on an angle and the juice will stay put.
This is freakin why sometimes the cart will hold juice and sometimes you'll get that dry fire where it seems dry but theres plenty in the tank.. other times its working like a champ. Why its different sometimes is how the cart lines up with the way your holding it or hitting it.
So.. The fix is simple. Must have a deeper plug the goes below the lip! Either that or use a staw that goes above the lips to the plug.
hehe.. nuts!
This is why the slug i was using with little tenticles or legs seemed to work good.
I'll get this all tested and a new version of the slug out this weekend.. might have to change the name as the prototype i'm using looks more like a ribbon or tie.. hehe.
Loving the HIGH VOLTAGE!!! yeah baby yeah!
eclypse, I think the real problem is that a sort of vacuum is created after the first few drags. I noticed that I had a cart that was a tight fit and that cart would never work well. I remember seeing a mod where there was a small hole drilled into the cart about half way up to allow air to flow in. I'm gonna fiddle with an idea that allows air to equalize the pressure.
After trying this a while, it definately allows the juice to flow. The only issues are that a tiny bead of juice collects where the hole is and the draw lightens up a bit (this can be fixed by covering the hole with your lips). I used a safety pin to make the hole. The trick would be to make a hole small enough for air to pass but not juice. I believe this can be done.
I'm going to see how tiny a hole I can make.
After trying this a while, it definately allows the juice to flow. The only issues are that a tiny bead of juice collects where the hole is and the draw lightens up a bit (this can be fixed by covering the hole with your lips). I used a safety pin to make the hole. The trick would be to make a hole small enough for air to pass but not juice. I believe this can be done.
I'm going to see how tiny a hole I can make.
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