You know all I ever hear from you is how screwed we are. What I am not hearing is any suggestions as to how to counter it. I get it. They are jerks. But what do you sugest? Should I just bend over and take it? At least i am trying. I am writing letters, sending emails and making phone calls. I am calling for boycotts. I am trying! If you have a better idea of how to counter this facist propaganda machine, then TB I am all ears. Why are you so against us at least trying to fight back? Is there something I am missing? We are on the same side here!
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You have a good point and I misspoke. It's not all he says. He has provided an invaluable resource for snus users and some interesting product reviews. But I never hear anything positive at all about our efforts or our situation. On that topic it is pretty much all pessimissim. Being something of a cynic myself I can certainly relate. But look at it like this. If he jumps in and says bah humbug a boycott won't work. How many people will read that and then not bother? That is counter productive. We should not give up. I don't go into his threads and try to undermine what he is trying to accomplish. So my point stands. (even if worded poorly on my part) Unless he can suggest something else more productive then "we are screwed it's the manufacturers fault and there is nothing we can do." Why even bother posting in my thread? Why discourage people to fight these injustices? It accomplishes nothing and may even hinder any chance of success these types of efforts may yield. So Pfft
You have a good point and I misspoke. It's not all he says. He has provided an invaluable resource for snus users and some interesting product reviews. But I never hear anything positive at all about our efforts or our situation. On that topic it is pretty much all pessimissim. Being something of a cynic myself I can certainly relate. But look at it like this. If he jumps in and says bah humbug a boycott won't work. How many people will read that and then not bother? That is counter productive. We should not give up. I don't go into his threads and try to undermine what he is trying to accomplish. So my point stands. (even if worded poorly on my part) Unless he can suggest something else more productive then "we are screwed it's the manufacturers fault and there is nothing we can do." Why even bother posting in my thread? Why discourage people to fight these injustices? It accomplishes nothing and may even hinder any chance of success these types of efforts may yield. So Pfft
He has been around here a long time and knows a great deal about things like this!!
I do it for a living. I know a good bit about it too. I still don't go into the "sign this petition" thread and discourage people from signing it. What is the point in discouraging people from fighting their opressors? What does the date you first logged into this forum have to do with that anyway? I'm not bashing him. I am just asking him not to discourage people from speaking up.TropicalBob's join date will give you that clue
I believe that it is just as wrong on both counts. Employers should not be able to force their (insane) morality upon their employees. Remember my issue isn't with bannng tobacco use but e-cig use and they are not the same thing. Although honestly, I think even banning tobacco use in your own vehicle is invasive and goes way too far. If the business owner wishes to protect people from second hand smoke that's one thing. If they wish to control the lives of their employees in such a way as to be intrusive (and again for absolutely no good reason) that is another.Quick question....just playing devils advocate.
A local hospital has its campus as a smoke free area. Same verbiage as Ate arm. Should you boycott then as well?
How about local police department that also have the same rules for their officers while at city hall, or the station. Would Boycott them if you were being robbed or got into an accident?
Quick question....just playing devils advocate.
A local hospital has its campus as a smoke free area. Same verbiage as Ate arm. Should you boycott then as well?
How about local police department that also have the same rules for their officers while at city hall, or the station. Would Boycott them if you were being robbed or got into an accident?
Quick question....just playing devils advocate.
A local hospital has its campus as a smoke free area. Same verbiage as Ate arm. Should you boycott then as well?
How about local police department that also have the same rules for their officers while at city hall, or the station. Would Boycott them if you were being robbed or got into an accident?
Yes, that is a shame. I feel sorry for anyone who works for those .......s.
