brothers dr talked him out of switching to ecig

[Myk]

Everytime I see this conversation pop up I am really bothered. Yes, vaping SEEMS like it should be healthier, but the truth is that it is new technology and we don't really know. It's up to each person as to the risks they take, but everyone is so energetically against the idea that there could be risks here that we don't know about. Most of the studies I have seen are small. People can smoke for 50 years before they get cancer, who knows. If you want to vape, you shouldn't be ridiculed just the same as if you choose not to.

I really can't stand hearing someone called TampaToker69 talking ish about someone who spent 12 years in school to be a doctor.

The healthiest and cheapest method? Stop entirely.

And if you adhere to the principle "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is," then we are all in deep trouble.

I think it's pretty much fact that it's HEALTHIER than inhaling smoke. That's not a very high bar to clear.
I also think many people have accepted it as fact that it's probably not perfectly healthy to be chronically inhaling something other than clean air into your lungs.

Do you know what you call a doctor that graduated at the bottom of their class?
Doctor.
Just because someone became a doctor doesn't mean they are good at it.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Respectfully disagree UncleWilly.
Drs ARE 'encouraged' to prescribe medications with 'conferences' at very nice resorts...fully paid for by BP.
(50 scripts= 'Conference at Hilton Head', 100= 'Conference in Maui')
Their practices, and the hospitals they are affiliated with are 'rewarded' by #s and types of scripts prescribed.
Just not with direct cash payments....like the 'good ol days'...
But make no mistake, they are 'rewarded'!

I'm guessing then that you also believe that the pharmacies that fill these scripts are also somehow tethered to some main drug company computer that tallies up each script each DR writes in order to determine which level of "prize" he or she should qualify for .. ??

And of course DR's are encouraged to push a drug companies product .. pharma makes drugs in order to make money .. if they did not make money, there would be no research / development / profit and the folks that benefit from a drug would be out of luck ..

Here on ECF in many cases, the good something does somehow gets buried within the conspiracy theory ..

 

[Michael Friel]

There's no theory in this conspiracy. The doctors sleep in big pharma's bed. They CONSPIRE. Simple fact. To ridicule the logic of that by mislabeling it a theory or the person asserting that fact as a 'conspiracy theorist' just makes your argument less credible. Sure doctors mean well, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Separating the greater good from those mistakes is what's essential for sound advice. I'd much rather vape than take chantix, and whats more, I'd wager most of us in this forum know leaps and bounds more than your garden variety doctor any day when it comes to vapor inhalation. Our distrust of doctors comes from experiential wisdom not the folly of emotion or 'theory' or fear.

 

[Butters78]

Your brother's doctor is a ..........

 

[SharonMM]

Yeah doctors don't get kickbacks from ecig companies so they generally don't recommend their products...

 

[shannannagans]

I'm sorry, but I lost my faith in prescription medicine when every other commercial on TV is suggesting you "talk to your doctor about prescribing _________ today." What? I'm not qualified to make those decisions about my medical needs, so why are there commercials for prescription medicine? I think it's my biggest pet peeve. There's no need for medicines to have commercial appeal.

 

[SissySpike]

I'm guessing then that you also believe that the pharmacies that fill these scripts are also somehow tethered to some main drug company computer that tallies up each script each DR writes in order to determine which level of "prize" he or she should qualify for .. ??

And of course DR's are encouraged to push a drug companies product .. pharma makes drugs in order to make money .. if they did not make money, there would be no research / development / profit and the folks that benefit from a drug would be out of luck ..

Here on ECF in many cases, the good something does somehow gets buried within the conspiracy theory ..

They are a giant money, power grubbing , corporation. They lobby to get legislation so they force us to by their products. Hitler did some good in his life also. They are part of the out of control health care cost in our country. I trust them almost as much as our current politicians. I rate them as liars and thieves and see them as part of the problem.

 

[Penn]

Yeah I tried this reasoning with them, I told them Yes the parts are made in china, however the juice I use is made in the US and is food grade. But but but the dr said. blah blah blah.

I asked them if they had seen anything on tv stating that an ecig "may lead to suicidal thoughts" and the hadn't. They didn't have an answer for why that was, just that they haven't been around long enough yet to know the long term effects. I explained that no we don't know what 20 years of vaping will do to someone, but it has been around long enough that if there was something that is truly that bad we would know by now.

Well if you did explain the individual components are made in US and regulated but they still think chantix is better just because the doctor said so, for them it must be -

Government = God
FDA = Patron Saint of Health
DR Whoever = Priest

You can't argue religion with a zealot until experience shakes their faith.

 

[Penn]

I'm guessing then that you also believe that the pharmacies that fill these scripts are also somehow tethered to some main drug company computer that tallies up each script each DR writes in order to determine which level of "prize" he or she should qualify for .. ??

And of course DR's are encouraged to push a drug companies product .. pharma makes drugs in order to make money .. if they did not make money, there would be no research / development / profit and the folks that benefit from a drug would be out of luck ..

Here on ECF in many cases, the good something does somehow gets buried within the conspiracy theory ..

I agree that ECF, like most of the internet, has some vocal tin hat wearers. But, the truth is the medical community has some serious flaws and kickbacks for prescriptions does exist. BP will push drugs that are ineffective or even dangerous. Why have they started kickback programs? Doctors knew the stuff being peddled wasn't always good or just too expensive and wouldn't prescribe it. The FDA is corrupted by money of more than just BP.

Add to that what Myk said a little while ago, some doctors are just inferior even after 12 years of school, plus some became doctors for money and not to help people and you have a very bad system (which is about to get worse but that is a different topic).

Fortunately there are still good doctors out there, but they seem hard to find.

 

[josie wales]

About a month ago I spent 3 days in the hospital with heart problems....elevated enzymes and signs of a heart attack. I was off my BP meds and not eating very well. I know, my bad. Anyhow, every specialist I saw said I really should quit smoking and offered a scrip of Chantix. When I asked a team of 3 specialists about Ecigs they looked like those three monkey's with thier eyes and ears covered. I don't know if there is a conspiracy or not but I would think these guys would at least look into whats going on and have an informed opinion. They did not. FWIW, I'm 2 weeks without a cig like it was a walk in the park thanks to vaping. Lesser of two evils? Maybe, but I know I feel a MILLION times better than I did only a month ago and I feel like I have been given a new lease on life. Never thought I'd be a non-smoker. Now I know it's easily possible.

 

[DJ RyckRak]

There's no theory in this conspiracy. The doctors sleep in big pharma's bed. They CONSPIRE. Simple fact. To ridicule the logic of that by mislabeling it a theory or the person asserting that fact as a 'conspiracy theorist' just makes your argument less credible. Sure doctors mean well, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Separating the greater good from those mistakes is what's essential for sound advice. I'd much rather vape than take chantix, and whats more, I'd wager most of us in this forum know leaps and bounds more than your garden variety doctor any day when it comes to vapor inhalation. Our distrust of doctors comes from experiential wisdom not the folly of emotion or 'theory' or fear.

amen !
(I do know a few things....and I'm not going to argue...that is not a fair discussion)

Those chantix commercials don't buy themselves.

 

[shannannagans]

Maybe share some of this information?

http://casaa.org/uploads/CASAA_Medical_infograph.pdf

There's other info here as well that you can browse/print out CASAA Printable Material

 

[xpackaday]

Your brother's doctor is a ..........

I don't think that doc's are in the pocket of TC's, but it rather that doc can not prescribe something unless it is proven. That why you will never have a doc prescribe herbal solutions. Every thing in there bag of trick must be proven or part of a study with the majority by FDA.

I have a doc friend that started studying herbal, she told me that if she prescribed any herbals she could lose her licence. So if anything they are in the pockets of Pharma.

 

[ClaireW]

I've heard a few dr says - they are doctor's so they can prescribe a pill.

 

[CoRporis]

So i had my brother and sister in law pretty much talked into switching over to ecigs. I let them try my ego and a couple different flavors and they really liked it, and we just about ready to have me order them a kit. Well they went to the dr a couple days ago and mentioned it to her and she told them "that since ecigs are made in china and have no fda regulations, and because of that the have no idea how bad it is for you that she really trys to talk people out of using them." So she set them up with a presciption for chantex (the suicide pill)

So because of that one conversation with the dr they think that ecigs are completely dangerous and are just as bad for you as the real thing.

On another note, I came home yesterday and seeing as though it has been 113 degrees in the valley I quickly changed clothes and went and jumped in the pool. I noticed with I got out I had my ego/ce4 set up in my pocket. I sat it in the sun for a couple mins, took it apart and dried to connections and it is working perfectly fine.

I was just about to post a rant about a friend's DR who talked him into switching BACK to analogs!! ...!!!

Just because they have a MD behind their name does not mean they are always right...

 

[DC2]

I don't think that doc's are in the pocket of TC's, but it rather that doc can not prescribe something unless it is proven. That why you will never have a doc prescribe herbal solutions. Every thing in there bag of trick must be proven or part of a study with the majority by FDA.

I have a doc friend that started studying herbal, she told me that if she prescribed any herbals she could lose her licence. So if anything they are in the pockets of Pharma.

Doctors take a risk anytime they prescribe anything that is not "proven" and considered customary care within the medical community.
Because anything outside of that scope leaves them open to being sued if anything goes wrong.

But there is a big difference between not officially recommending something, and outright discouraging it, as this doctor did.

I would think that any doctor that is willing to officially recommend electronic cigarettes has to have quite a bit of faith in them and their safety.
And that fact that there seem to be many willing to do so says quite a lot to me.

 

[patkin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvYW3AKdmsc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtCiq2kafe8

Dr. David Baron, Chief of Staff of UCLA Santa Monica Hospital answers questions including, "Does Nicotine cause cancer?" related to e-cigarettes while dispelling some of the common misconceptions. This is a "must see" video for users of electronic smoking devices as well as tobacco products.

 

[gl00pp]

Have you really only been vaping for 68 days and posted 2,700 posts?!?! thats like 1350 posts a month or 45 posts a DAY?!

 

[patkin]

who?....

 

[peterforpats]

Sounds like Big Pharma is behind that. I wonder how much of a kickback the Dr got from that Chantix prescription.
It really really hurts my heart to see people who SWORE AN OATH to do no harm take bribes and spread lies and misinformation

usually we call those people politicians not doctors!