I'll give you a "perhaps" on that one. But, even if it's true, they will be taxed and regulated as much, if not more so, than cigarettes and alcohol are now.
The whole issue is about money and control.
FDA Business way down because of 8-8??
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I'll give you a "perhaps" on that one. But, even if it's true, they will be taxed and regulated as much, if not more so, than cigarettes and alcohol are now.
The whole issue is about money and control.
Taxing vaping is more complicated than taxing cigarettes. They can discourage switching and hurt smokers but they'll never collect a satisfying amount of money compared to cigarettes. It's going to be impossible to tax the people who don't need nicotine and that's going to include most of the kids who take up vaping.
Only if they register with the FDA, and existing shops must be registered with the FDA by the end of December or face hefty fines.
Considering the FDA fully expects 90% of all businesses to bail within the next 2 years due to the onerous requirements, it's doubtful there will be any independent stores left after 2018 if the existing regulations are allowed to stand.
If the regulations stand as they are, what exactly will those thousands of vape shops be selling?
I figure when ever any given locality has their schedule of tax receipts fall off a cliff they will start asking 'why'.
juice is extremely cheap to make,, so any shop could drop their prices by 50% then add a 40% tax to pass on to the consumer. and still do very well. meantime,, they just go with the flow.. let the weaker players close up shop then swoosh in and collect all of their customers with a better price. the math can be played so many ways that the consumer wouldn't feel the dif in the pocket book.
I myself have not bothered with b&m shops since May,, got all of my 'life time' hardware online,, mostly FT.. and I already had too many flavors prior,, and a lifetime supply of rayon and kanthal.........
there really wasnt anything else to buy for me.. so for less than $700 I am set for many years and that includes lifetime of Nic.
my future purchases: VG+Pg,, batteries.
i 'estimated' last night how much vg/pg i needed for the next 35years.. it ball parked at 50 gallons each. and that is on the high side considering i am slowly vaping less.. i dont know why..natural rate of healing???- i dunno,, but i feel great.
I've noticed my daily ml's starting to budge downwards, not sure why. I was thinking of starting thread about it to see who else is having a similar experience.
The companies depending on vaping are not just fragile because of government interference but the way the government chooses to interfere accelerates the 2 fundamentals that make ecigs a tough retail business. The first one is vaping can be absurdly inexpensive compared to the price of just about any cigarettes in the world. The second is that anyone can stock for many years for a few hundred dollars. (My stash of vape specific stuff for 10-20 years will cost $650.)
The FDA is threatening business armageddon while leaving the door wide open for stockpiling for the next couple of years. When I learned to rebuild and mix my interest in coil heads and pre mix disappeared. The number of people learning to do these things must be accelerating but I have no feel for how many.
i agree,, i think a few years from now that many of the daily posters we see now will wander off.. some 'just because',, others will have 'life events' and others simply stopped vaping for whatever reason. we see it now.. fewer people from 2009 posting.
One man could make a difference, one man could serve to change history with just his words, the Surgeon General. We need to get the medical community on board in a big way.
When I started I was certain I would never mix or rebuild. Quickly I realized it was inevitable and still delayed for months, The moment I started doing those two they became indespensible. I started a brother vaping. Getting him to prepare for scarcity is not progressing very well. His nic is in hand but nothing else. He has to be prepared because I will share with him regardless.
A few well turned phrases penned by anyone could make the difference. We have the moral high ground. I'm not sure yet if that's an advantage or disadvantage.
The most hopeful thing I've seen recently is that we may finally be understanding smoking/vaping from the kids' point of view. Vaping is beating smoking because the clouds are bigger. If you are a kid our fancy vaping gear are toys for doing smoke tricks. Nicotine, flavors, and PG are optional. Once a kid has a competent device all he needs are wire, cotton, batteries and VG from the grocery store. Harsh restrictions on vape shops will make no difference.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Surgeon General is just as complicit in the FDA mess as the politicians.
Look at the photo and caption here: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-05-fda-require-e-cigarettes-contents.html
Surgeon General has no intentions of rocking the boat.
Pretty smart of them. Killing off the the retail vape industry will stifle the growth of vaping and will likely even get some vapers back onto the cash cow of smoking. Leaving the door open for DIY stockpiling for some time while this happens will likely prevent the die-hard vapers from getting showing up with torches and pitchforks.
Yup, just let them load up a lifetime supply and they will go quietly underground and disappear. They know those folks are already a lost revenue stream. It's the still smokers and future smokers that they need to keep corralled into the money game.
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The end of tobacco is when kids don't start smoking. I'm starting to think that preventing kids vaping will be harder than anybody thought. May be what the kids want to do isn't even vaping. They are playing with their cloud trick toys.
I Don't Think that as long as Cigarettes can Legally be sold to Adults that this will ever Happen.
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