Buzz or Provari ?

[Huuwap]

Youd probably get the best advise picking if you posted your question on a more equal playing field . Since this is a Buzz forum you will always get more buzz fans here.

I don't know, I've seen an awful lot of ProVari faithfuls in here...and don't take offense, but it seems to me like you've been in this thread trying to sway decisions from the Buzz Pro, almost like you're on provape's payroll.

At this point our opinions are out there and we can stop posting on it and let this thread become a resource instead of a continued debate.

 

[Sedateme]

Telling people the provari is the size of your finger is a bit misleading. Mookie, pbusardo has an excellent provari review video on youtube A PBusardo Review - The Provari V2 - Provape - YouTube (at 4:10 he does a small size comparison... the provari is thicker than the Buzz Pro, and taller than the Buzz Pro with the extender cap) it should give you a good idea of the size. If you want a recommendation on size, the IPro is more slender than either the Buzz or Provari, but it is a bit longer.

 

[markfm]

The Buzz Pro II and Buzz Pro Lightning are new devices, just adding some larger vent slots to the existing Buzz Pro to comply with a new ECF specification for tube mods (the spec doesn't notionally apply until June, but notcigs responded quickly). The tubes are supposed to be getting machined this week, so I'd expect to see them available for sale next week or the week after? Personally I'm entirely comfortable with the existing Buzz Pro, which has three smaller vent holes and a plastic bottom cap that would come off in an over-pressure event (the same bottom cap can be used with original generation Buzz PV).

Infinity Pro is a slightly slimmer, longer, PV, same circuit as the Buzz Pro, just a different battery size. It likewise has the three vent holes and delrin plastic end cap. The batteries on it are protected, and notcigs isn't secretive about the source. A 14430 3.7V protected battery is not non-standard, multiple sources carry them.

No opinion on the Provari family, though from everything I've heard they are well-built, high performance, products, as are the notcigs PVs. The Provari will work throughout a wider voltage range, although the notcigs family will allow higher watts delivered. The notcigs products provide very solid runtime; the basic Provari has to be outfitted with extender and larger 18650 battery to get to the same approximate time. The Provari are physically heavier, though it is not as if they are a chunk of lead.

I prefer notcigs designs for their simplicity, ease of use, just a thumbwheel to adjust voltage and the firing button. That the notcigs products tend to be lower cost and well known for their ruggedness are pluses, icing on the cake. Notcigs being the first vendor to come up with products meeting the new ECF spec is indicative of their having had a good design all along, a relatively simple update for them, although there's no reason to doubt that Provape wil come up with something soon (if they haven't already).

You might post the same question in the Provari area, to get Provari user inputs. I agree with Str8 that it would allow you to get thoughts from people who are active users of those products, a good thing. I have friends who use and enjoy the Provaris, I just happen to prefer the notcigs products. Either product line will get you to a really good PV.

 

[Str8V8ping]

I don't know, I've seen an awful lot of ProVari faithfuls in here...and don't take offense, but it seems to me like you've been in this thread trying to sway decisions from the Buzz Pro, almost like you're on provape's payroll.

At this point our opinions are out there and we can stop posting on it and let this thread become a resource instead of a continued debate.

I said many times that both are great devices and either one are worth getting ,i have also had both . This is a buzz section and im just stating the fact that it is. Most people are going to come to this section because they have a buzz. She asked for a opinion so i gave her my opinion . Theres nothing wrong with that. The people that have a provari that are gonna see this are because it shows up on new posts like how i seen it. Anyway like i said i have respect for both devices and imo i personally like the provari better. Opinions should not cause a argument. I respect your opinions but i have my own too.

Telling people the provari is the size of your finger is a bit misleading. Mookie, pbusardo has an excellent provari review video on youtube A PBusardo Review - The Provari V2 - Provape - YouTube (at 4:10 he does a small size comparison... the provari is thicker than the Buzz Pro, and taller than the Buzz Pro with the extender cap) it should give you a good idea of the size. If you want a recommendation on size, the IPro is more slender than either the Buzz or Provari, but it is a bit longer.

I gave the measurment of my finger because while i was typing it i was holding it up to my finger and it is the same size. Everyones finger is different so i gave the more universal comparisons also. She was also mentioning the provari mini which is the size of a credit card exactly. Before i had a Provari it always looked way bigger in pics then it actually is so i like to give comparisons on size to really show how small they are.

"A 14430 3.7V protected battery is not non-standard, multiple sources carry them."
Didnt know others carry them , when i looked around i could only find them on notcigs and they are not a brand i like using really since i like to stick with AW's and i dont believe AW carries that off size . I know my normal vendors i get my batts from superT and RTDvapor dont carry them . That was the main thing that stopped me from getting it . Another reason i always disliked the Epower since 14650's are hard to come by. 14500's which are widely available would have been great .

 

[markfm]

I'm always researching things, that's why I knew they were available, just not as common in vaping as the 16xxx, 18xxx, or 14500. It's totally understandable that you like staying with the AWs, too, nice batteries.

 

[hificat101]

"A 14430 3.7V protected battery is not non-standard, multiple sources carry them."
Didnt know others carry them , when i looked around i could only find them on notcigs and they are not a brand i like using really since i like to stick with AW's and i dont believe AW carries that off size .

They are available all over the place. AW also makes them. In fact if you hunt around on here, Mike has posted 3 other bat options for people that want protected bats. These are bats that he has extensively tested, and can recommend from experience. If I'm not mistaken, 2 of the 3 are AW bats.

 

[markfm]

Different models. Buzz Pro uses a 16340/RCR123A. AW does make both IMR and protected ICR in that format, but not in the 14430 size that is used in the Infinity Pro. For IPro there are other vendors of protected ICR, as well as the ones notcigs sells, but I don't believe AW has any.

 

[manimal]

can you say, "accuset technology?"

 

[markfm]

Sure I can Then again, with the notcigs products the voltage isn't even marked, the concept is "vape to taste".

Both makes have really good regulators, they hold voltage well at whatever point they are set for. I don't know the precise voltage I set my Buzz Pro to at any time, I just nudge the adjustment wheel until it hits the sweet spot for me, and leave it alone (actually, I may adjust voltage up or down a few times during the day, depends on if I want more or less hit at a given time). The output voltage stays where it is until right up to the point that a battery change is needed, then it tanks, and both red and blue LEDs light up, signifying low battery.

 

[Str8V8ping]

They are available all over the place. AW also makes them. In fact if you hunt around on here, Mike has posted 3 other bat options for people that want protected bats. These are bats that he has extensively tested, and can recommend from experience. If I'm not mistaken, 2 of the 3 are AW bats.

Aw doesnt make them im pretty sure . If they do can you post a link.Im sure lots of people would want them.

 

[Str8V8ping]

Another reason i forgot about which imo< makes the Provari better is that the Provari does not even drop .1v under load . What you set is what you get all the way til the battery dies .Thats not the case with the buzz pro . With a 2ohm boge set at 4.8v i was getting only 4.4v to the carto . .4v is a big deal to me .It varies with the cobonation your using but iv seen as much as a half a volt. That makes the Provari circuit with its accuset better. The provaris also goes up to 6v while the buzz goes up to around 5.3 if i remember correctly. Like i said though both are good but thats another big point for the provari. Even at running relatively low watts the buzz still drops voltage under load.Accuset is great. One of the thing that made me personally give up on the bpro was i didnt like the raised 510 connector which looked weird imo and i didnt like the fire button or vent holes in the side. i could have lived with the raised connector if i were using a dripsheid but since i use tanks and cartos it was weird to have the tank floating above the end of the mod. Imo and only my opinion it comes down to whats affordable .If you cant afford the provari the buzz is perfect for you but if you can the Provari is WELL worth the 30.00 extra.Also IMO now that the V2 and mini is out its makes it a no brainer for me. I love that theres so many battery options for the vari too . If they came out with a third cap for the mini id be awesome to be able to run a 18350 ,18490 or 18650

 

[Sedateme]

I wonder if Str8 likes the Provari better... I'm not quite sure yet...

 

[ozpkchris]

followed this thread a bunch, tanks all for the input. after the V2 was put out i went with the provari.

loved the idea of the thumb wheel hated using stacked batts.

turns out the pro vari menu is sooo so simple, top notch machine work, the weight feels great, a 18650 lasts me two days straight, love my new PV.
with all that said if the buzz used an 18650 i probably would of went with that cause the price seems more reasonable.
both great pv's,
very good informative info on here.

 

[DarbukaDave]

I wonder if Str8 likes the Provari better... I'm not quite sure yet...

Me neither...but I bet we'll find out soon

 

[tearose50]

@mookie:

I think you should get which ever one you think looks the best as this point. You've decided on basic function -- now go for style.

All VV mods at this time are Big and Heavy.

I went from "mid size" to Wood Box Mods instead of the bigger tube mod route as the idea of the tube mods was a bit much for me. Now, a year later, I have both and love them all!

 

[Str8V8ping]

I wonder if Str8 likes the Provari better... I'm not quite sure yet...

Buzz all the way lol


































jk but id take either one over any other tube mod.Actually i like my Cyprus VV best.

 

[markfm]

Str8, have you seen any drop in the BP during the course of the battery operation, as it runs down, vs. just unloaded vs. loaded? Subjectively it stays pretty stable, if I'm not fiddling with the setting during the course of a day, w=while running a tank I seem to be getting the same output right up until it dies.

 

[Str8V8ping]

Str8, have you seen any drop in the BP during the course of the battery operation, as it runs down, vs. just unloaded vs. loaded? Subjectively it stays pretty stable, if I'm not fiddling with the setting during the course of a day, w=while running a tank I seem to be getting the same output right up until it dies.

The loaded voltage drops but remains pretty much the same drop over the course of the battery getting lower . No prob with that.I wouldnt expect it to really. GrimmGreen has also mentioned the voltage drop under load if i remember correctly . It might have been pbusardo. Ill see if i can find it.

Yea it was grimm
http://youtu.be/F5A-Y-wZCH0?hd=1

 

[markfm]

Cool, thanks (I was pretty sure it was stable, at least after using notcigs products for the past year. No disagreement that the under load may be different from unloaded.)

 

[jrocker19999]

I currently have a buzz pro and really like it. However, my click wheel has slipped and although I will still continue to use it, I am going to get a provari. I know that the batteries are different but does anybody know if the charger I got with the buzz pro will charge the provari batteries?