***California Assembly bill to BAN SHIPMENT OF E CIGARETTES TO ANYONE IN CALIFORNIA***

[soba1]

I like that!

I know it is Early for this Bill. And it will Probably be Revised or it could Die in Committee.

BUT. If it doesn't, how will the Party Voting Go Down? And Will the Governor Sign it? That is the Scary Part.

I just don't want to wait until the 3rd Calling of this One. SB-648 could be Called a Victory by some. But what would have Happened if NORML hadn't come crashing in at the 11th Hour like the Cool-Aid Man?

I think it is Better to get people Aware Now. Verses later when the Voting is about to begin.

We have to be proactive...............

 

[RedForeman]

Sorry not trying to rude but do you have anything backing that statement. I find it hard to believe they allow transport of something through their state that they deem illegal.

I run a trucking business. Interstate transportation enforcement is pretty much hands-off to the states. Mostly. What some states do, especially California, is find ways to interfere or charge taxes without violating the letter of the actual Federal law. As long as the consignee is in another state, there's nothing California law enforcement can do about the cargo. That is, provided it's being legally transported.

However, if you want to see how Cali gets around that, look no further than CARB. By constantly expanding their control over motor vehicle emissions to also include all things powered by a combustion engine, they effectively limit interstate commerce via legislation on the power unit that moves the cargo, or controls the cargo temperature (refrigerated vans or containers, typically diesel powered). The latest is even more of the same type of control being exercised to an even greater extent at the ports. So they can honestly say that they haven't done anything unlawful to interfere with or tarriff the cargo that is passing through. Still adds cost and burden to the carrier (rail, sea, truck), since certain older, non-compliant power units are prohibited. The cargo isn't meddled with. Well, unless you haul it with a power unit less than 6 yrs old ($$$$$), or tow it with a horse or a prius.

Sorry if this goes a little political. It's the elephant in the room and I'm not known for pretending it isn't there. I also understand this is a global audience, so USA matters appeal in a more generic fashion. Sorry 'bout that. As much as people think that that policies like this will "sweep the nation" once California does it, they are deluded. Yeah, there's pockets where the influence will be felt. NYC and Chicago are probably good examples. Sorry Californians. If you don't want legislation like this, either organize and get the nanny government politicians drummed out of office or move to NV or AZ.

Yeah that's hard. You know what? California politicians could care less what I, a resident of GA, think. They sure don't care about the extended consequences of what they do there, or what it costs my business or their own constituents by reducing the competitive market. So I won't be writing any letters. You got what you elected. Either enjoy that, or change it. You already have the most heavily regulated state in the nation, so you must like that.

 

[TS12000]

Please don't encourage them to move, as a former resident of CO and I'm sure folks from WA, OR, etc will tell you, they do an awfully good job of Californicating where they infest.

 

[BP60]

I agree! The states will do what they can to tax and make money for their pockets or pet projects, (their friends pockets), but this "hobby" isn't going to go away. The nut cases that don't like anything they don't do personally will organize and find ways to limit other peoples choices, may work and may not, but in the end we "hobbyists" will still have our hobby. My concern is the taxation, it will happen and always does. The more people turn to e-smoking the more the tax bandits will do what they can to get more money from us.

 

[zoiDman]

States don't have the right to intercept shipments to other states if the thing being transported is not illegal by Federal law AND State law, and is mid-shipment. I'm sure they could arrest a courier but this law does not make shipment THROUGH the state illegal, only TO non-retail residents of the state.

Otherwise we'd have a horrible mess in all of our shipping businesses. That WOULD be interfering with Interstate Commerce, which IS illegal.

That's the way I Understand it.

 

[RedForeman]

Please don't encourage them to move, as a former resident of CO and I'm sure folks from WA, OR, etc will tell you, they do an awfully good job of Californicating where they infest.

They come to Georgia all the time, saying "in California we do blah blah blah."

A: "That's nice. You're not in California now."

FWIW, my wife is a Cali native and we both have family there, so don't get it twisted LOL. I'm not a total hater. PS: She's finally stopped bragging so much about how things were done back home. Being a business owner has opened her eyes quite a bit.

 

[Rossum]

They come to Georgia all the time, saying "in California we do blah blah blah."

A: Yeah, and I hear the weather is great all the time there too, so please go home and leave us to run our lives the way WE see fit.

 

[soba1]

Please don't encourage them to move, as a former resident of CO and I'm sure folks from WA, OR, etc will tell you, they do an awfully good job of Californicating where they infest.

Now wait a minute, I might retire in Wa. or Or.; I would just do as the Romans do so to speak.....;-)

 

[f1vefour]

A few radio spots could go a long way in awareness of this bill and what folks can do to prevent it, there should be enough support from vendors and vapors alike for funding one would think.

A kickstarter project would be a valid way to pool funds.

I don't live in California but would donate to the cause.

 

[rothenbj]

Please don't encourage them to move, as a former resident of CO and I'm sure folks from WA, OR, etc will tell you, they do an awfully good job of Californicating where they infest.

It's the same all over. Around here people move out of the city, buy in a housing development next to a farm, then complain about the smell of the farm animals or manure that the farmer spreads on his fields.

 

[Mohamed]

It's the same all over. Around here people move out of the city, buy in a housing development next to a farm, then complain about the smell of the farm animals or manure that the farmer spreads on his fields.

It's not just California that this happens at. Move to an acreage in the midwest---iowa. nebrska---you deal with the same thing. Sometimes a wife bringing over a pie is enough somtimes it is not..

 

[Aviz]

I totally see that happening. again I lived all over and CA government is the most rotten.

In CA it is not just about tobacco or nicotine, the law mentions e-cig parts too. Need a new tank, sorry, can't but the one form Florida for $6.50, you have to somehow find a store within an hour driving distance, and pay $12 so the B&M guy can pay his rent on top of a heavier profit, and on top of the sales tax. Don't think for a minute that you will eventually only be paying sales tax, it will be just like tobacco products, they will put a "sin tax" on top, so you might be paying 65% in tax, on top of that $12 ticket price. Need a drip tip? Well, that is going to be $37.50 please.

 

[Sundodger]

It's the same all over. Around here people move out of the city, buy in a housing development next to a farm, then complain about the smell of the farm animals or manure that the farmer spreads on his fields.

Yup, the same all over. They move into northern Wisconsin from Milwaukee, Chicago, big cities all over the Midwest because they love it up north, it's beautiful. Then they show up at town council meetings complaining about wood burning stoves, noise at the parks by lakes after 10pm. We live in these areas because we like it and like to do things our way. Why move some where because you like it and then try and change it into the same festering pocket of puss you just left behind?

 

[MetalMaster75]

Wow... This discussion really took a "turn"...

 

[soba1]

Wow... This discussion really took a "turn"...

Yeah I agree, let's not get this thread closed.....
This is a vital issue.

 

[Endor]

Yeah that's hard. You know what? California politicians could care less what I, a resident of GA, think. They sure don't care about the extended consequences of what they do there, or what it costs my business or their own constituents by reducing the competitive market. So I won't be writing any letters. You got what you elected. Either enjoy that, or change it. You already have the most heavily regulated state in the nation, so you must like that.

Heck, California politicians don't care about what I think, and I'm a resident. They do what they want in the name of "whats good for me". AB1500 is a perfect example of that.

And as a native born-and-raised Californian, I have to say that your post was very well-written and absolutely correct. Regulation has kept our unemployment rate higher than the rest of the nation. Companies are moving out in droves, including the company I work for who is closing down all operations in California. Over 200 people have already lost their jobs at the end of 2013, with hundreds more to come this year, and I must move to the east coast to keep mine.

Problem is, the intelligent, freedom-loving people ARE moving out. What's left are a majority that is either too stupid to understand what is going on, or people who directly benefit from a nanny government. Remember the Romney "47%" comment during the election? This is why these people keep getting re-elected time and time again....nobody wants to lose their food stamps and welfare checks.

It didn't used to be this way. I think that is what's so frustrating about it.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox now... I just couldn't resist.

 

[jstrang]

I was looking for a dollar amount on how much BT spends lobbying in DC and stumbled across this article.
Big Tobacco Spent $100 Million Plus on CA Politics in Past Decade | Care2 Causes

 

[gwillings]

The SDVAPE group on facebook set out a petition against this ......ed bill. As for ASSemblyman DICKinson, he certainly lives up to the first 4 letters of his last name. I have sent e-mail to both of my state representatives voicing my absolute and totally disagreement with this BS bill. If it passes, I am moving out of California. One more thing I want to add, this BS bill they want to pass violates our freedom of choice. Well that is my 2 cents.

 

[Berylanna]

Well, I'm a long-time Californian, and one thing I'd like to put an end to is people who move here from wet places throwing burning cigarette butts out the car window and risking fires that could burn down the state. I've seen outdoor trashcan fires caused by the same thing, and we've had grass fires by freeways that spread to some homes before they are put out.

So let's get them all to switch to vaping!

Now, if we all want to cheer up (with intermittent depression when the ANTZ speak) here is the link to a 3-hours and 47 minutes study session in the Oklahoma State Senate. Good guys and bad guys and some in between spoke.

BUT, after the guy from the ACA (American Cancer Society) spoke, he got grilled the way we've always fantasized seeing an ANTZ get grilled, and it's satisfying to watch! (Warning there are quality problems with the feed from the OK legislature to the Vape Net guys.)

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...duced-oklahoma-hearing-held.html#post12005545

There might be some good info here to repeat to our California reps.

 

[rothenbj]

"risking fires that could burn down the state. "

Worse things could happen. Jk