This was posted earlier but I'll repost it California State Legislature—Bill Information click on the bill search button and type in "AB-1500" that will give you the current status and history of the bill.
***California Assembly bill to BAN SHIPMENT OF E CIGARETTES TO ANYONE IN CALIFORNIA***
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This was posted earlier but I'll repost it California State Legislature—Bill Information click on the bill search button and type in "AB-1500" that will give you the current status and history of the bill.
CURRENT BILL STATUS
MEASURE : A.B. No. 1500
AUTHOR(S) : Dickinson.
TOPIC : Cigarettes, tobacco products, and electronic cigarettes.
HOUSE LOCATION : ASM
TYPE OF BILL :
Active
Non-Urgency
Non-Appropriations
Majority Vote Required
Non-State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy
LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 01/14/2014
LAST HIST. ACTION : From printer. May be heard in committee February 13.
TITLE : An act to repeal and add Section 22963 of the Business
and Professions Code, to add Section 119406 to the
Health and Safety Code, and to repeal Section 30101.7 of
the Revenue and Taxation Code, relating to public health.
MEASURE : A.B. No. 1500
AUTHOR(S) : Dickinson.
TOPIC : Cigarettes, tobacco products, and electronic cigarettes.
HOUSE LOCATION : ASM
TYPE OF BILL :
Active
Non-Urgency
Non-Appropriations
Majority Vote Required
Non-State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy
LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 01/14/2014
LAST HIST. ACTION : From printer. May be heard in committee February 13.
TITLE : An act to repeal and add Section 22963 of the Business
and Professions Code, to add Section 119406 to the
Health and Safety Code, and to repeal Section 30101.7 of
the Revenue and Taxation Code, relating to public health.
Sorry if this has Already asked and the answered.
But do we know what Committee and the Individual Committee Members who may review this Bill on Feb 13th?
thx yankov for the info.
I am wondering what/if any impact it would have for non-Californians to write (CA) legislators against this bill.
From experience in working to get National RSD Awareness bills passed we didn't have much luck from non-residents contacting the legislators, outside of their own states.
Seemed that we only got responses when the actual residents of the state contacted their own representatives.
I don't at all mind writing to CA legislators to voice against this bill but I want to do so if my voice will be heard.
It is absurd for CA to pass this bill and like others have stated here, will set a precedence for other states.
They should for sure require age verification for online purchases of vaping supplies which seems why they are pushing this bill.
But banning the sale of vaping supplies is overboard.
I am wondering what/if any impact it would have for non-Californians to write (CA) legislators against this bill.
From experience in working to get National RSD Awareness bills passed we didn't have much luck from non-residents contacting the legislators, outside of their own states.
Seemed that we only got responses when the actual residents of the state contacted their own representatives.
I don't at all mind writing to CA legislators to voice against this bill but I want to do so if my voice will be heard.
It is absurd for CA to pass this bill and like others have stated here, will set a precedence for other states.
They should for sure require age verification for online purchases of vaping supplies which seems why they are pushing this bill.
But banning the sale of vaping supplies is overboard.
Check out this link...
Overview of Legislative Process
I'm not sure if it answers your question or not, but it is interesting.
IMO, not much impact unless you have some impressive scientific credentials, i.e. you are an "expert."
However, CASAA is TRYING to get drastically more active nationwide so if there's anything you could contribute there, that would be good.
There is a need for people to do some research on the web, pass out casaa cards to vapers on the street and vape shops (there's a new display for that available), and many more items. I've also discovered that some counties are under attack and THOSE fly lower under the radar than cities even!
I also need some art for T-shirts, some drawn and some photographed, since I'm on the (tiny and mostly-inactive) casaa Art Committee. Do you know any 75-year-old vapers who would pose for pictures?
well I wote to Myriam Bouaziz : myriam.bouaziz@asm.ca.gov - fwiw. at least I gave it a go. I'll see if she emails me back.
I don't know of any 75 y.o vapers , sorry.
You could put a request out on the main forum page though asking if anyone would volunteer for the photos.
One thing that does bother me about the bill in CA.
For disabled people who don't drive & who vape, this will be especially burdensome.
Like myself, I hate having to ask for a ride to go and buy this or that.
Being able to purchase from internet is crucial.
Guess I will email the ADA too. See if they have anything to say.
You could put a request out on the main forum page though asking if anyone would volunteer for the photos.
One thing that does bother me about the bill in CA.
For disabled people who don't drive & who vape, this will be especially burdensome.
Like myself, I hate having to ask for a ride to go and buy this or that.
Being able to purchase from internet is crucial.
Guess I will email the ADA too. See if they have anything to say.
Us "oldsters" hang out here :
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...iscussion/298835-older-folks-vaping-2123.html
How can they write such propaganda on that site? The ingredient they say is in antifreeze was used as an antibacterial in hospital air vents in the 30's & 40's... That is PG. Numerous tests have been done on it since then & nothing negative has really come from it.
Plus by cutting everyone off as way to "save minors" is beyond extreme. I signed up for updates and am gathering scientific data to send to the comittie. This is the biggest outrage I have seen in sometime!
The site says there are bad ingredients in the juice but in my experience the juices with all the additives are the ones bought locally. These are typically the cheap juices found at smoke shops & gas stations. People new to vaping get their juices from the smoke shops then later try an ecig store. So they are dooming many to the carcinogens they are supposedly trying to protect people from!
ECF.... Gather all scientific data you can and send it to those proposing this in CA. If you do not your state maybe next... I am getting my links together for e-mail right now.
Plus by cutting everyone off as way to "save minors" is beyond extreme. I signed up for updates and am gathering scientific data to send to the comittie. This is the biggest outrage I have seen in sometime!
The site says there are bad ingredients in the juice but in my experience the juices with all the additives are the ones bought locally. These are typically the cheap juices found at smoke shops & gas stations. People new to vaping get their juices from the smoke shops then later try an ecig store. So they are dooming many to the carcinogens they are supposedly trying to protect people from!
ECF.... Gather all scientific data you can and send it to those proposing this in CA. If you do not your state maybe next... I am getting my links together for e-mail right now.
The "anti-freeze" comments all stem from the following FDA press release...
FDA and Public Health Experts Warn About Electronic Cigarettes
This excellent article by the president of CASAA explains further...
FDA's partial truths and exaggerations endanger health
Somewhere along the way most of the vaping world has come to think that the "anti-freeze" comments were about PG but that is not the case.
This point is a good one. For instance, I know of certain towns where the firefighters have switched over to vaping & even promote this same common sense.
We can see how unfair this is, we now know money is more important than life to them. How do we the people stop this mass murder for profit? They do hold all the cards, don't they? Too bad they have no conscience.
This is no big deal fellas, vape on and stop worrying.
We will ship MECHS inside flashlights, provari-like tubes inside {OTHER STUFF}, and E-JUICE in (well here it comes) juice bottles.
Piece of cake, see?
As for atties, we will glue them to some robot toy and ship.
We will ship MECHS inside flashlights, provari-like tubes inside {OTHER STUFF}, and E-JUICE in (well here it comes) juice bottles.
Piece of cake, see?
As for atties, we will glue them to some robot toy and ship.
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A lot of us don't want to go black market (but of course I will if I have to.)
But more-importantly, current smokers need to switch to vaping, which requires that what we have now remains legal and reasonably-priced, AND that there be a lot of improvement in the product. One reason our group is so small is that the so-called Public Health industry is promoting smoking, big-time, by lying about us. We few already vaping should not be the only victorious survivors of this fight. And it isn't a war compared to being exposed to IED's or having to shoot at people, but the loss of life among smokers will be more Americans than have been killed in recent wars -- PER YEAR. Something like 390,000 per year. (I subtracted the number for 'second-hand smoke' since I think those numbers are exaggerated. It's only about 12%, 49,000 out of 440,000 are attributed to 'second-hand smoke.'
But another reason is that, each improvement in the product brings in more people who can find a way to vape and be satisfied. I think innovation will slow down 90% if they put on harsh restrictions and/or taxes. It's already slowed down, IMO, compared to 2012, partly because the anti-Tobacco-Company crowd is...PROMOTING BT PRODUCTS by complaining that the innovation stuff is "the wild west."
Irony.
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I agree with you, and looking at all that is going on the fight against a healthier alternative.
I now laugh at the hypocricy of those anti smoking commercials I see
on TV knowing full well they don't give a rats behind about smokers.
After seeing whats going on with vaping all accross the country.
If any ECF members no longer believe in conspiracy theories
well. I would love to sell you the Golden Gate bridge.
If they really wanted to slow down smoking, particularly among children, they could have done that 50 years ago and it wouldn't have to generated millions of dollars of tax dollars (however, those tax dollars enable them to keep complaining with a smile on their face while people continue to smoke). Instead of having cigarettes on every street corner convenience store and gas station, sell them only in liquor stores, tobacco specialty shops and in the pharmacist area of drug stores. Now you've controlled where and when a smoker can get access. In addition compliance gets much easier to control.
Of course, you have to accept and promote harm reduction. If you make products that are 95-9x% available and more convenient than the most deadly product, more people will gravitate towards them. If I ran out of cigarettes and I couldn't get a cigarette, I'd look for an alternative that was available, even if it was a $10 throwaway e cig or a can of snus, maybe both. If they finally made those bicalikes into something that actually was satisfying and equivalent to a couple packs of cigarettes, I might even become an ex-smoker, especially if I knew I could buy a much better product that would cost much less in the long term.
Forcing people to do what you want usually leads to resistance. Letting them drift there on their own will meet with much less resistance.
Of course, you have to accept and promote harm reduction. If you make products that are 95-9x% available and more convenient than the most deadly product, more people will gravitate towards them. If I ran out of cigarettes and I couldn't get a cigarette, I'd look for an alternative that was available, even if it was a $10 throwaway e cig or a can of snus, maybe both. If they finally made those bicalikes into something that actually was satisfying and equivalent to a couple packs of cigarettes, I might even become an ex-smoker, especially if I knew I could buy a much better product that would cost much less in the long term.
Forcing people to do what you want usually leads to resistance. Letting them drift there on their own will meet with much less resistance.
We need to start pushing and that is encouraging to hear.
No we do have the power, we are not fighting against flesh and blood, this slight hurdle that we will overcome
is againstt something much greater than money.
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