***California Assembly bill to BAN SHIPMENT OF E CIGARETTES TO ANYONE IN CALIFORNIA***

[MetalMaster75]

Related.
It's official:
LOS ANGELES E-CIGARETTE BAN EFFECTIVE DATE IS APRIL 19, 2014.
Ordinance Number 182927

http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/...ord_182927.pdf

Los Angeles City Mayor's approval: http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/...03-07-2014.pdf

A minimum of 56,683 signatures will be necessary in order to overturn the ordinance via referendum.

 

[zoiDman]

Related.
It's official:
LOS ANGELES E-CIGARETTE BAN EFFECTIVE DATE IS APRIL 19, 2014.
Ordinance Number 182927

http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/...ord_182927.pdf

Los Angeles City Mayor's approval: http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/...03-07-2014.pdf

A minimum of 56,683 signatures will be necessary in order to overturn the ordinance via referendum.

I'm getting a 404 Error on those Links.

Is it Just Me?

 

[MetalMaster75]

I wonder why...
http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2013/13-1204-s1_misc_03-07-2014.pdf
http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2013/13-1204-s1_ord_182927.pdf

 

[SMP1121]

I'm getting a 404 Error on those Links.

Is it Just Me?

Nope...

10 char

 

[SMP1121]

I wonder why...
http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2013/13-1204-s1_misc_03-07-2014.pdf
http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2013/13-1204-s1_ord_182927.pdf

Ahhh....works! Thnx!

 

[zoiDman]

I wonder why...
http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2013/13-1204-s1_misc_03-07-2014.pdf
http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2013/13-1204-s1_ord_182927.pdf

Those 2 seem to work Fine.

Thank you Metal.

 

[MetalMaster75]

Related.
It's official:
LOS ANGELES E-CIGARETTE BAN EFFECTIVE DATE IS APRIL 19, 2014.
Ordinance Number 182927
http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2013/13-1204-s1_ord_182927.pdf
Los Angeles City Mayor's approval: http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2013/13-1204-s1_misc_03-07-2014.pdf
A minimum of 56,683 signatures will be necessary in order to overturn the ordinance via referendum.

Duplicate post due to link error. Sorry.

 

[LoveVanilla]

Related.
It's official:
LOS ANGELES E-CIGARETTE BAN EFFECTIVE DATE IS APRIL 19, 2014.
Ordinance Number 182927
http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2013/13-1204-s1_ord_182927.pdf
Los Angeles City Mayor's approval: http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2013/13-1204-s1_misc_03-07-2014.pdf
A minimum of 56,683 signatures will be necessary in order to overturn the ordinance via referendum.

Duplicate post due to link error. Sorry.

That's doesn't seem like many... How many vapers and vape shops in LA?

 

[MetalMaster75]

That's doesn't seem like many... How many vapers and vape shops in LA?

Many shops in the city. However, collecting upwards 57k signatures requires a well organized and funded campaign.
Also, as a side note: the vape shops/lounges in Los Angeles are exempt.

The main problem, as I see it, is the precedent imposed in the legislation by now changing the definition of e-cigarettes to "electronic smoking devices".

 

[sonicdsl]

How to Start a Petition Drive | eHow

HTH

falsely calling them "electronic smoking devices" is just ridiculous since there is no smoke

 

[MetalMaster75]

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I don't think that the author of said message is representing vapers. To me, he is just expressing his personal opinion. I do applaud that.
Also, please remember that not everybody is the next born Voltaire or Hugo.

 

[MetalMaster75]

How to Start a Petition Drive | eHow

HTH

falsely calling them "electronic smoking devices" is just ridiculous since there is no smoke

Well.. they did..

(c/p) from Los Angeles City Ordinance 182927 [Definitions]
2. "Smoke" shall mean the gases, particles or vapors released into the air as a result of combustion, electrical ignition or vaporization, including from an electronic smoking device, when the purpose of the combustion, electrical ignition or vaporization is human inhalation of the gases, particles or vapors. Smoke does not mean the combustion of material solely for olfactory purposes that does not contain any tobacco or nicotine or the emissions from a product specifically approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration for use
in mitigating, treating or preventing disease.
3. "Smoking" shall mean engaging in an act that generates smoke, such as possessing a lighted pipe, a lighted hookah pipe, a lighted cigar, a lighted cigarette, or an operating electronic smoking device.
4. "Electronic Smoking Device" shall mean an electronic or battery operated device that delivers vapors for inhalation. This term shall include every variation and type of such devices whether they are manufactured, distributed, marketed or sold as an electronic cigarette, an electronic cigar, an electronic cigarillo, an electronic pipe, an electronic hookah or any other product name or descriptor.

 

[sonicdsl]

Well.. they did..

(c/p) from Los Angeles City Ordinance 182927 [Definitions]
2. "Smoke" shall mean the gases, particles or vapors released into the air as a result of combustion, electrical ignition or vaporization, including from an electronic smoking device, when the purpose of the combustion, electrical ignition or vaporization is human inhalation of the gases, particles or vapors. Smoke does not mean the combustion of material solely for olfactory purposes that does not contain any tobacco or nicotine or the emissions from a product specifically approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration for use
in mitigating, treating or preventing disease.
3. "Smoking" shall mean engaging in an act that generates smoke, such as possessing a lighted pipe, a lighted hookah pipe, a lighted cigar, a lighted cigarette, or an operating electronic smoking device.
4. "Electronic Smoking Device" shall mean an electronic or battery operated device that delivers vapors for inhalation. This term shall include every variation and type of such devices whether they are manufactured, distributed, marketed or sold as an electronic cigarette, an electronic cigar, an electronic cigarillo, an electronic pipe, an electronic hookah or any other product name or descriptor.

Gotta be some legal wrangling could be done with that. These government entities (LA isn't the only one) can't just go around changing the definition of words. Smoke is related to fire/combustion, not vapor - no two ways about it.

 

[NatureBoy]

Gotta be some legal wrangling could be done with that. These government entities (LA isn't the only one) can't just go around changing the definition of words. Smoke is related to fire/combustion, not vapor - no two ways about it.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. They think by declaring they've changed the definition of a word they can away with something like this?!

All I know is none of these so-called bylaws are going to dissuade me from vaping in public places such as parks, beaches, etc. I've never vaped in restaurants (and don't feel people should either), haven't really vaped in bars, so that doesn't bother me that much... but in public places? Outside? In the fresh air? With a radius of 100 feet of empty space around me? Really? Oooooooook......... lol

 

[MetalMaster75]

Gotta be some legal wrangling could be done with that. These government entities (LA isn't the only one) can't just go around changing the definition of words. Smoke is related to fire/combustion, not vapor - no two ways about it.

Right. The imposed lingo is not only wrong, but also in contradiction with some of the existing laws. I don't understand who gave the right to these impostors to change word definitions. I too foresee some form of legal challenge.

 

[rothenbj]

Well.. they did..

(c/p) from Los Angeles City Ordinance 182927 [Definitions]
2. "Smoke" shall mean the gases, particles or vapors released into the air as a result of combustion, electrical ignition or vaporization, including from an electronic smoking device, when the purpose of the combustion, electrical ignition or vaporization is human inhalation of the gases, particles or vapors. Smoke does not mean the combustion of material solely for olfactory purposes that does not contain any tobacco or nicotine or the emissions from a product specifically approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration for use
in mitigating, treating or preventing disease.
3. "Smoking" shall mean engaging in an act that generates smoke, such as possessing a lighted pipe, a lighted hookah pipe, a lighted cigar, a lighted cigarette, or an operating electronic smoking device.
4. "Electronic Smoking Device" shall mean an electronic or battery operated device that delivers vapors for inhalation. This term shall include every variation and type of such devices whether they are manufactured, distributed, marketed or sold as an electronic cigarette, an electronic cigar, an electronic cigarillo, an electronic pipe, an electronic hookah or any other product name or descriptor.

So by ordinance, your allowed to vape indoors but not inhale since that changes vaping to smoking. This gets tricky because they need to be careful to avoid making theatrical "smoke" banned.

 

[MetalMaster75]

So by ordinance, your allowed to vape indoors but not inhale since that changes vaping to smoking. This gets tricky because they need to be careful to avoid making theatrical "smoke" banned.

I don't see how they can get away with this nonsense. Club/concert goers "inhale" VG/PG "fog". Are they gonna ban fog machines and/or close venues that use said equipment? No.
According to this BS you COULD burn incense in public, for olfactory reasons, and despite the fact that it MIGHT trigger an asthma attack to a bystander. Yeah... that's fine, since it doesn't contain any tobacco or nicotine.

 

[tommy2bad]

Well exactly the target of this is tobacco use not the harm from environmental smoke but the use of tobacco. So things that have carcinogens in them such as incense and bbq smoke are fine unless you attempt to cure your meat with tobacco instead of maple or oak.
This is about removing market potential from tobacco companies which in their eyes is the only way to end the scourge of tobacco related diseases. Lets tell the truth if Philip Morris started selling veggy burgers they would include them in their smoke free legislation.

 

[turnforward]

New York is leading the way right now. A group New York C.L.A.S.H. A grassroots organization established in 2000 dedicated to advancing and protecting the interests of adults who choose to smoke cigarettes or enjoy other forms of tobacco or use electronic cigarettes.

They sued and won against the city for some of their smoking bans, and now are raising money to do the same with their E-Cig Ban. We NEED TO DONATE To them today so we can DO THE SAME TOMORROW.

Read through their web site, they are talking about the same things we are here. DONATE $20 or MORE AND HELP THEM FIGHT then THEY AND OTHERS WILL DO THE SAME FOR US.

NYC E-Cig Ban - Legal Fund

 

[Bill Godshall]

Please note that on March 20, AB 1500 was referred to the CA Assembly Committtee on Government Operations
Bill List
AB 1500   Assembly Bill – INTRODUCED
AB 1500 Assembly Bill - History

The CA Assembly Government Organization Cmte members are listed at
Members | Committee on Governmental Organization

This important development was cited in a March 20 posting at
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ettes-anyone-california-104.html#post12598699
but the dozen comments posted on this thread since then were totally off topic.


Below is a list of Cmte members, but someone needs to generate e-mail lists and a Call to Action for Californians
Members | Committee on Governmental Organization

Committee Members District Office & Contact Information
Isadore Hall, III (Chair) Dem - 64 Contact Assembly Member Isadore Hall, III
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 3123, Sacramento, CA 94249-00964; (916) 319-2064
Brian Nestande (Vice Chair) Rep - 42 Contact Assembly Member Brian Nestande
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 4139, Sacramento, CA 94249-0042; (916) 319-2042
Katcho Achadjian Rep - 35 Contact Assembly Member Katcho Achadjian
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 4098, Sacramento, CA 94249-0035; (916) 319-2035
Frank Bigelow Rep - 05 Contact Assembly Member Frank Bigelow
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 6027, Sacramento, CA 94249-0005; (916) 319-2005
Nora Campos Dem - 27 Contact Assembly Member Nora Campos
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 3160, Sacramento, CA 94249-0027; (916) 319-2027
Wesley Chesbro Dem - 02 Contact Assembly Member Wesley Chesbro
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 2141, Sacramento, CA 94249-0002; (916) 319-2002
Ken Cooley Dem - 08 Contact Assembly Member Ken Cooley
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 2188, Sacramento, CA 94249-0008; (916) 319-2008
Matthew Dababneh Dem - 45 Contact Assembly Member Matthew Dababneh
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 5144, Sacramento, CA 94249-0045; (916) 319-2045
Adam C. Gray Dem - 21 Contact Assembly Member Adam C. Gray
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 6012, Sacramento, CA 94249-0021; (916) 319-2021
Roger Hernández Dem - 48 Contact Assembly Member Roger Hernández
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 4146, Sacramento, CA 94249-0048; (916) 319-2048
Brian W. Jones Rep - 71 Contact Assembly Member Brian W. Jones
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 3141, Sacramento, CA 94249-0071; (916) 319-2071
Reginald B. Jones-Sawyer, Sr. Dem - 59 Contact Assembly Member Reginald B. Jones-Sawyer, Sr.
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 4164, Sacramento, CA 94249-0059; (916) 319-2059
Marc Levine Dem - 10 Contact Assembly Member Marc Levine
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 2137, Sacramento, CA 94249-0010; (916) 319-2010
Jose Medina Dem - 61 Contact Assembly Member Jose Medina
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 5135, Sacramento, CA 94249-0061; (916) 319-2061
Henry T. Perea Dem - 31 Contact Assembly Member Henry T. Perea
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 3120, Sacramento, CA 94249-0031; (916) 319-2031
V. Manuel Pérez Dem - 56 Contact Assembly Member V. Manuel Pérez
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 4112, Sacramento, CA 94249-0056; (916) 319-2056
Rudy Salas, Jr. Dem - 32 Contact Assembly Member Rudy Salas, Jr.
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 4162, Sacramento, CA 94249-0032; (916) 319-2032
Marie Waldron Rep - 75 Contact Assembly Member Marie Waldron
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 5128, Sacramento, CA 94249-0075; (916) 319-2075
Scott Wilk Rep - 38 Contact Assembly Member Scott Wilk
Capitol Office
P.O. Box 942849, Room 4153, Sacramento, CA 94249-0038; (916) 319-2038