***California Assembly bill to BAN SHIPMENT OF E CIGARETTES TO ANYONE IN CALIFORNIA***

[Idaholandho]

Yes it is. One of many supposed laws that they want to enact that slowly is taking away freedom in this state. Topic is that they are trying to implement restrictions that make no sense that are unprecedented. Do you not agree that that really is the topic?

It was a random link - one of many.

Freedom in California has been gone for many years. The State is out of control and the poison is spreading throughout. The rich get tired of the bs and move to surrounding States to include Idaho. They build massive homes, speed on our streets, have no regard, fight for gun control, they lobby local and state politicians to change our laws and often say "It's how we do it in California".
From the States bleeding debt, crime ridden areas, homeless, tax issues, political fiasco, etc., isn't it time to fight back? Oh wait, I heard rumors about change a few years ago.
Think proactive not reactive.

Again, Good luck California.

 

[Coelli]

Just want to point out that the days of kids not having credit cards are long past - even my 11 and 13 year olds had VISA debit cards, my ex opened accounts for them and got the cards so he could just transfer their allowance to them. And kids get prepaid cards all the time, too. That's not to say the parents shouldn't be monitoring this stuff, but it's very easy for a kid to get a credit/debit card, especially teenagers. A credit card is no longer any guarantee that you're dealing with an adult.

 

[soba1]

My point being, we are missing out on a lot of older people that have smoked their whole lives and have benefited from PV's that are not technology savvy enough to know exactly what they need to do in order to help fight the good fight.

The older people are the ones who will call their reps.
All they have is time..

 

[rothenbj]

Just want to point out that the days of kids not having credit cards are long past - even my 11 and 13 year olds had VISA debit cards, my ex opened accounts for them and got the cards so he could just transfer their allowance to them. And kids get prepaid cards all the time, too. That's not to say the parents shouldn't be monitoring this stuff, but it's very easy for a kid to get a credit/debit card, especially teenagers. A credit card is no longer any guarantee that you're dealing with an adult.

I guess I understand the problem now.

 

[Oliver]

Wait, aren't there age verification systems that can be used?

https://www.netidme.com/business/
Identity Verification, Age Verification - IDology

and, this thread from 2009: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/eca/41562-age-verification-ecommerce.html

 

[rothenbj]

Wait, aren't there age verification systems that can be used?

https://www.netidme.com/business/
Identity Verification, Age Verification - IDology

and, this thread from 2009: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/eca/41562-age-verification-ecommerce.html

I think the Cali legislators would say, "We just don't know..." It seems that works well in these political times.

 

[MD_Boater]

Yeah... Tyranny and Oppression.

So how do We Stop It?

Every electon, vote against the incumbant. If you really want to vote your party line, pick the opponent in the primaries. No elected official should get more than 2 consecutive terms in any office. They get entrenched and loose sight of the fact that they are supposed to represent the people. After term #2, they are trying to please the party, not their constituents.

 

[2coils]

As for age verification, There are companies already doing it. I am not referring to the standard popup that comes up on your computer screen asking if you are 18. Adult signature required has been implemented at digitalciggz, and discountvapers has the software. There are plenty of reasonable solutions to be had. The problem is the governments do not want solutions, other than their own agenda. There is no reasoning anymore, look at NYC. Absolutely no evidence of a problem and still look at the end result.

Age verification, IMO, is a bigger legitimate issue that is actually pretty easy to solve. Though short of drastic measures by citizens, I don't know if there is an answer. This is going to be "2014 the year of the fight" A very tough year to say the least!

Not trying to be a buzz kill for anyone!

 

[Equality 7-2521]

Oh I love this......."the university has given power to students, faculty,staff and visitors(I especially like the visitors) to make sure people are following the RULES)........A supposed citidal of higher learning, intellectual freedom....running around like a bunch of brown shirts, or stasi thugs......the interesting part is how you can actually hear them drooling at the prospect of catching an unsuspecting offender.Look folks back in the 1930's when facisim was rising the fascists didn't need to force it down alot of peoples throats they wanted it...."good" people wanted it, university students wanted it,proffesors wanted it. history is repeating itself.

Hey, thanks for posting that link. Read the article, mostly. Obviously, the university doesn't feel any need to provide a designated smoking area somewhere off at infinity becuase so many people are grappling to get into the university, they don't need the smokers. Now, say, hotels or fun park, like Disney, they provide designated areas, "for the convenience of all our guests."

In the article, there was this statement: "To make sure individuals are abiding by the new policy, the university has given power to students, faculty, staff and visitors to make sure that people are following the rules." Oh really? The university can now vest students with power over other students? To do what, I ask? To violate the rights of other students? Interesting, what these people think they can do. Can't wait for the lawsuits to start rolling in.

 

[Jman8]

As for age verification, There are companies already doing it. I am not referring to the standard popup that comes up on your computer screen asking if you are 18. Adult signature required has been implemented at digitalciggz, and discountvapers has the software. There are plenty of reasonable solutions to be had. The problem is the governments do not want solutions, other than their own agenda. There is no reasoning anymore, look at NYC. Absolutely no evidence of a problem and still look at the end result.

Age verification, IMO, is a bigger legitimate issue that is actually pretty easy to solve. Though short of drastic measures by citizens, I don't know if there is an answer. This is going to be "2014 the year of the fight" A very tough year to say the least!

Not trying to be a buzz kill for anyone!

*Note: first bolding mine, second one is 2coils (and needs to be bolded I must say)

Not killing the buzz for me, but inspiring me to bring up that we ought to be proactive with reasonable solutions and then do all we can to promote those reasonable solutions so that average American non-vaper can see which side of this debate is into reasonable solutions and which side is into fear mongering and making up erroneous claims, to serve an agenda that isn't so public, but is visible to anyone paying attention.

 

[klynnn]

Bill Godshall said this was coming. He knows his stuff. I posted his podcast on this forum stating this would happen under the current admin 2 years ago. It was immediately removed and I was chastised for trying to start arguments.

 

[DJLEC]

This is going to be "2014 the year of the fight" A very tough year to say the least!

Not trying to be a buzz kill for anyone!

You are not a buzz kill for me since I just started Vaping and I am feeling it. The reality is we are a minority from where I am standing at the SFO Airport - Analog users are outnumbering Vapers at approximately 500 to 1. What I need to do to wrap my head around this since we are a small minority is to remain firmly resolved not to go back to Analogs.

What is very tragic is these Politicians do not want to embrace the Technology so they have chosen to punish it. This removes any ability for future individuals to make a smooth transition off of the Analogs similar to myself.

I am firmly resolved to ensure that not one dime of mine enters the anticipated $24 Million in additional Revenues for CA they are rubbing their hands together on.

 

[Mohamed]

Watched the video clip. And they had one line about eCigs and 95% was about buying those evil cigarettes online where kids can take their parents credit card to buy those evil things. Which, when you can buy them everywhere, seems like an easy bill to get passed, so we can help deal with those evil smoke things.

Pay no attention to the eCig products that are included in the bill and that are not sold everywhere. Let's just ignore that and only discuss that evil tobacco product that methinks even some vapers would be okay with if online sales for that were banned.

Yeah was exactly my point with

Quote Originally Posted by Mohamed View Post
Watch that and you'll have an idea of what the majority of the public currently thinks about the bill. You need a PR campaign to educate the public as to what the bill is actually about.

95% of the population probably has no idea that e-cigs are thrown in there and if they do; they believe it's the disposable ones you buy at store. Why on earth would anyone need to buy anything online when you can go to your corner convenient store?

 

[Equality 7-2521]

Well, yeah,but don't take it personally....they do the same thing to other californians....california has a third world mentality....people with money are human beings,people without money are the untouchables......the rich of california don't take their money and leave because of the BS. The people with money in california have created the BS.Once the tendrils of stench from the BS finally reach the turrets of their million dollar homes, they pack up and find another host body(idaho,oregon,montana,costa rica) to invade.....any so called social program created has two purposes. one to give bloated salaries to inept and moronic state beuacrats, and the other is to give enough crumbs to the untouchables that they don't rise up and take the rich peoples stuff.........and so they parade around like heros when they increase the unemployment benifits, but they won't lift a finger to create well paying jobs....

Freedom in California has been gone for many years. The State is out of control and the poison is spreading throughout. The rich get tired of the bs and move to surrounding States to include Idaho. They build massive homes, speed on our streets, have no regard, fight for gun control, they lobby local and state politicians to change our laws and often say "It's how we do it in California".
From the States bleeding debt, crime ridden areas, homeless, tax issues, political fiasco, etc., isn't it time to fight back? Oh wait, I heard rumors about change a few years ago.
Think proactive not reactive.

Again, Good luck California.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

That photo you got their is a real nice river.....which river is that.

You are not a buzz kill for me since I just started Vaping and I am feeling it. The reality is we are a minority from where I am standing at the SFO Airport - Analog users are outnumbering Vapers at approximately 500 to 1. What I need to do to wrap my head around this since we are a small minority is to remain firmly resolved not to go back to Analogs.

What is very tragic is these Politicians do not want to embrace the Technology so they have chosen to punish it. This removes any ability for future individuals to make a smooth transition off of the Analogs similar to myself.

I am firmly resolved to ensure that not one dime of mine enters the anticipated $24 Million in additional Revenues for CA they are rubbing their hands together on.

 

[Mohamed]

Just want to point out that the days of kids not having credit cards are long past - even my 11 and 13 year olds had VISA debit cards, my ex opened accounts for them and got the cards so he could just transfer their allowance to them. And kids get prepaid cards all the time, too. That's not to say the parents shouldn't be monitoring this stuff, but it's very easy for a kid to get a credit/debit card, especially teenagers. A credit card is no longer any guarantee that you're dealing with an adult.

Was not aware of that. Still no reason for an all out ban on internet sales. Still think it's parents responsibility to manage their kids.

 

[2coils]

*Note: first bolding mine, second one is 2coils (and needs to be bolded I must say)

Not killing the buzz for me, but inspiring me to bring up that we ought to be proactive with reasonable solutions and then do all we can to promote those reasonable solutions so that average American non-vaper can see which side of this debate is into reasonable solutions and which side is into fear mongering and making up erroneous claims, to serve an agenda that isn't so public, but is visible to anyone paying attention.

Jman, don't take my post the wrong way! I am simply stating the terrible position we are all in. Absolutely we need to continue to fight and present reasonable solutions. My only point is it is like fighting the mob. The fix is already in, and a lot of the results have already been determined (NYC for instance). I am just stating it will not be easy. I am starting to think reasonable solutions are not enough, we need to expose the greed and lies as loud as possible. Let the public see!

 

[Digame]

Well, yeah,but don't take it personally....they do the same thing to other californians....california has a third world mentality....people with money are human beings,people without money are the untouchables......the rich of california don't take their money and leave because of the BS. The people with money in california have created the BS.Once the tendrils of stench from the BS finally reach the turrets of their million dollar homes, they pack up and find another host body(idaho,oregon,montana,costa rica) to invade.....any so called social program created has two purposes. one to give bloated salaries to inept and moronic state beuacrats, and the other is to give enough crumbs to the untouchables that they don't rise up and take the rich peoples stuff.........and so they parade around like heros when they increase the unemployment benifits, but they won't lift a finger to create well paying jobs....

Can we send some of those regulation pushing liberals over to W. Virginia:

No regulation

 

[zoiDman]

Wait, aren't there age verification systems that can be used?

https://www.netidme.com/business/
Identity Verification, Age Verification - IDology

and, this thread from 2009: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/eca/41562-age-verification-ecommerce.html

Of Course there are. And ones where we do Not Need to throw the Baby out with the Bath Water.

Sometimes things like this Bill are introduced to Test the Water. Throw it out there and see if there is Any Strong Resistance Against it.

If there Isn't, then the Backers of the Bill are Happy. And other States see it that they will Probably be able to do the Same Thing with Marginal or No Resistance. And Little Political Fall-Out to the Supporters of such a Bill.

But if there is an Immediate Coordinated and Organized Resistance to it, then they know that it Isn't going to Glide thru the Process Unopposed. And Other States give more thought to Introducing Similar Legislation.

There is Little that would make me Happier than to have some Non-California State Rep Re-Write a Draft that He/She is working on while Mumbling... " I better Not put that in there. Remember what Happened in California?"

A Revised Bill with Realistic Age Verification is something that I think just about All in the Vaping Community could get On Board with.

Very Few Vapers Want to see Minors buying e-Cigarettes over the Internet.

But until we can Show that there is Realistic Opposition and there will be Political Backlash to ANY Rep who Votes for CA AB-1500 in its Current Form, it is going to be Hard to get a Revised/Amended Bill written.

 

[Berylanna]

Yeah was exactly my point with


95% of the population probably has no idea that e-cigs are thrown in there and if they do; they believe it's the disposable ones you buy at store. Why on earth would anyone need to buy anything online when you can go to your corner convenient store?

Every time I talk to my brother or my daughter, I realize that they're MONTHS behind what I know about this war even though they are on my side. But it's hard to figure out how to talk about it without getting that "Oh, not again!" look from them. I try to shorten my "pitch" and tone down my angry voice so they don't go running for the hills or disinvite me from dinner. But I'm not good at it.

And my friends are 20 times less interested than my family is. AND THESE PEOPE ARE ON MY SIDE. But not to the point of being willing to get a Master's Degree in Ecig War History.

It's sad to me that the lies are SO much easier to turn into sound bites.

We gotta find ways to do the same with the truth on how these attacks are being CAREFULLY designed to put bricks in a wall that will eventually be complete.