Can any one simplify the YiHi joules temp control

[tehdarkaura]

Benz (Mercedes) invented the car. That didn't stop Ford as far as I know.

What's the big deal? The end consumer benefitting from rival companies fighting to make better products?

As a consumer, I don't see a problem. I'm sure that you, as a salesman, see it differently...

Regards
Tony

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don't forget eciggs were invented in china unless all of your mods come from that 1 company i think you are supporting copy cats -- aka competitors

I mean I get it --- I have a DNA40 here that randomly decides to go crazy and go wattage mode on my nickle... and for less than I payed for that single chip in a week or two I will have a TC mod that does more than double the wattage and has some nice features and the company made it upgradable so they can actually fix an issue later if needed... kind of a bummer i bought the dna40...

but at least i didnt buy a pile of them that would be a real bumber and i would be grouchy too

 

[tchavei]

don't forget eciggs were invented in china unless all of your mods come from that 1 company i think you are supporting copy cats -- aka competitors

I mean I get it --- I have a DNA40 here that randomly decides to go crazy and go wattage mode on my nickle... and for less than I payed for that single chip in a week or two I will have a TC mod that does more than double the wattage and has some nice features and the company made it upgradable so they can actually fix an issue later if needed... kind of a bummer i bought the dna40...

but at least i didnt buy a pile of them that would be a real bumber and i would be grouchy too

Don't enter the Evolv vs rest of the world War. That's what they want to derail the thread. Let's stick to yihi here.

Regards
Tony

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[dr g]

don't forget eciggs were invented in china unless all of your mods come from that 1 company i think you are supporting copy cats -- aka competitors

Ecigs were invented in America.

 

[ThunderDan]

Ecigs were invented in America.

People seem to forget Variable Wattage was too.

 

[HDMontana]

Ecigs were invented in America.

Patent in 1963. Funny though, how it took a Chinese pharmacist in 2003 to start the real ball to rolling.

HD

 

[dr g]

Patent in 1963. Funny though, how it took a Chinese pharmacist in 2003 to start the real ball to rolling.

HD

This is the story of why and how: http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/a...w-inventor-e-cigarette-herbert-a-gilbert.html

 

[tchavei]

Patent in 1963. Funny though, how it took a Chinese pharmacist in 2003 to start the real ball to rolling.

HD

There is one earlier patent from 1927 or 28 I believe.

http://www.google.com/patents/US1775947

Curiously the guy suggested using an asbestos core to wind the coil around... I guess they didn't knew back then about asbestos...

Regards
Tony

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[retird]

Found this.... very short so don't blink.....

 

[retird]

And this....

 

[TheotherSteveS]

yihi chip looking good! Nice find!

 

[Woofer]

Found this.... very short so don't blink.....

Well from what I can see it looks just like temperature limiting.

 

[Flavored]

Tsk . . .

Here's an analogy to consider: Trying to control temperature using a Joules measurement is like trying to control the speed of a car measuring fuel flow, or even horsepower . . .

Just as other variables affect that car's speed (slope, windage, etc) for that fixed power (or power over time) input, a coil has other variables as well (juice and air flow).

Simply put, if you want to control temperature, you need to measure it, just like if you want to have cruise control, better measure the speed of the car.

 

[retird]

Yet another short video put out yesterday...

 

[retird]

And another....

 

[HDMontana]

Is that an IPV4? Button shape is different. Fire button is not small and round like pre release pictures.

HD

 

[ThunderDan]

Is that an IPV4? Button shape is different. Fire button is not small and round like pre release pictures.

HD

That is the SX Mini M series. Uses the SX 350J board.

 

[retird]

From reviewing the video's and reading the following post from a supplier... it seems to me that joules is not controlling the temperature....or maybe I just can't get it thru my thick head... here is the post from the supplier thread:


Dejay I am just going to advise people to consider it the Power setting. People are going crazy on the topic. A lot of dumb discussions and unneeded bashing as well as false claims.

Bottom line is you can set the Joule setting independent from the temp setting and it puts out the same power while limiting the temp. What does that mean....until you experience it, its hard to explain but another way to think about it is say it takes 2 seconds to ramp to 400F when set to 30 Joules....then set it to 50J and its instant. The limiting is the key. But the difference with this device is it is NOT clamping the power like we see on other devices which turn down the power as seen visibly on those displays with the W flickering at a lower setting. here the J never moves and you see the temp jumping around your set limit. Its cycling at that point.

I do feel there will be a lot of people enjoying this functionality as it may allow some fine tuning and different aspects for juice flavors...for those that really are into that aspect of vaping.

I can say the J setting is not determining the temp.....simply because I can get to 420F at a number of different J setting unless its too low.....its a matter of how long it takes to get there. We had these discussions around feasibility of determining temp via joules over the last couple months, Turns out they are simply using it as a Unit to represent the power and they feel strongly it is a proper representation because of the heating aspect. The temp function is hardware and software driven though.

But how about this ....The thing works!!! As I mentioned a couple months ago I had hands on testing with proper measuring equipment of the temp. I have now been vaping extensively on it and it works.....period.

The thing is I don't want to debate the j vs the W any more.

 

[KenD]

From reviewing the video's and reading the following post from a supplier... it seems to me that joules is not controlling the temperature....or maybe I just can't get it thru my thick head... here is the post from the supplier thread:


Dejay I am just going to advise people to consider it the Power setting. People are going crazy on the topic. A lot of dumb discussions and unneeded bashing as well as false claims.

Bottom line is you can set the Joule setting independent from the temp setting and it puts out the same power while limiting the temp. What does that mean....until you experience it, its hard to explain but another way to think about it is say it takes 2 seconds to ramp to 400F when set to 30 Joules....then set it to 50J and its instant. The limiting is the key. But the difference with this device is it is NOT clamping the power like we see on other devices which turn down the power as seen visibly on those displays with the W flickering at a lower setting. here the J never moves and you see the temp jumping around your set limit. Its cycling at that point.

I do feel there will be a lot of people enjoying this functionality as it may allow some fine tuning and different aspects for juice flavors...for those that really are into that aspect of vaping.

I can say the J setting is not determining the temp.....simply because I can get to 420F at a number of different J setting unless its too low.....its a matter of how long it takes to get there. We had these discussions around feasibility of determining temp via joules over the last couple months, Turns out they are simply using it as a Unit to represent the power and they feel strongly it is a proper representation because of the heating aspect. The temp function is hardware and software driven though.

But how about this ....The thing works!!! As I mentioned a couple months ago I had hands on testing with proper measuring equipment of the temp. I have now been vaping extensively on it and it works.....period.

The thing is I don't want to debate the j vs the W any more.

That actually sounds very interesting.

 

[SavePaperVapor]

From reviewing the video's and reading the following post from a supplier... it seems to me that joules is not controlling the temperature....or maybe I just can't get it thru my thick head... here is the post from the supplier thread:


Dejay I am just going to advise people to consider it the Power setting. People are going crazy on the topic. A lot of dumb discussions and unneeded bashing as well as false claims.

Bottom line is you can set the Joule setting independent from the temp setting and it puts out the same power while limiting the temp. What does that mean....until you experience it, its hard to explain but another way to think about it is say it takes 2 seconds to ramp to 400F when set to 30 Joules....then set it to 50J and its instant. The limiting is the key. But the difference with this device is it is NOT clamping the power like we see on other devices which turn down the power as seen visibly on those displays with the W flickering at a lower setting. here the J never moves and you see the temp jumping around your set limit. Its cycling at that point.

I do feel there will be a lot of people enjoying this functionality as it may allow some fine tuning and different aspects for juice flavors...for those that really are into that aspect of vaping.

I can say the J setting is not determining the temp.....simply because I can get to 420F at a number of different J setting unless its too low.....its a matter of how long it takes to get there. We had these discussions around feasibility of determining temp via joules over the last couple months, Turns out they are simply using it as a Unit to represent the power and they feel strongly it is a proper representation because of the heating aspect. The temp function is hardware and software driven though.

But how about this ....The thing works!!! As I mentioned a couple months ago I had hands on testing with proper measuring equipment of the temp. I have now been vaping extensively on it and it works.....period.

The thing is I don't want to debate the j vs the W any more.

Well there you go. Looks like it will operate pretty much the same as the evolv chip. Nothing astronomical going on here.

 

[retird]

Temp Adjust......



This thread asked a simple question : Thread: Can any one simplify the YiHi joules temp control? I am comfortable, after some research, in saying joules cannot control temperature. Simply stated my opinion would be that the J chipset displays joules instead of watts which is different from the SX350 chipset that displayed in watts. The temperature control feature is independent of the displayed joules...

If my opinion is not correct I certain will listen.....