My nephew does it all the time and his buddies love it. No joke 
Gets em off cigarettes
Gets em off cigarettes
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Can We Stop Recommending the Subtank/Atlantis to New Vapers Please? IT'S NOTHING LIKE A CIGARETTE
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I started a guy out with a dna 30, kayfun and stilaire clone for his best kit. However he was a roll your own, custom tobacco blend kind of guy so the diy aspect and strong hit was what he needed. He builds 1.4-2.0 on the kayfun and dripper though and finds that almost too much. So there are those that need more than ego level setups to start out but not many.
The big issue I see now is the non smoking hobby vaper segment that knows nothing about smoking except what the media puts out trying to recommend starter kits.
I'm both happy for and sad for new vapers nowadays, here's why....
Back in 2011 when I started, the amount of equipment was overwhelming to say the least. Most of it was crappy and everything needed modding. New releases were hit and miss in those regards too.(still is) It was very expensive just finding something that, even with tweaking was just, well, meh. I'm surprised any of us quit the stinkies.
Fast forward to today...all that same crap is still being sold to unsuspecting newbs, sometimes at inflated prices to boot. But there is also all the advances over the last 3-4 years too. Some great, some not so great. But the number of choices has grown probably tenfold(or more). We don't know what we want when we start, we just want whatever we get to keep us from smoking and work, for us.
Recommending something for a newb is a bit of a balancing act as the older stuff that is proven(or not) and the newer stuff that might be better(or not) but not proven with months of use. Add to that the fact that each of our needs and likes are different...except one usually, to get off smoking.
It's really no surprise that there will be as many differing opinions/suggestions as there are products on the market, for what is a good starting point for a newb.
People told me at the time I was starting out that the provari interface was complicated and finiky and a pain to use. Well it sorta was a little, until I learned how to use it, same as any electronic device.
Thinking cell phones/smartphones for example.
Today, most folks that have figured out how to use their smartphone can easily figure out a regulated battery and it's settings menus. Today to suggest a newb to get an outdated piece of equipment for vaping would be on par with telling a new cellphone user to start with a landline first.
Firstly it will not meet their needs and secondly it would be a waste of their money.
To sum up(finally), recommending a relatively "simple" device that has the necessary features and fits a newbs expectations ie. size, battery life, ease or complexity of use, aesthetics, functionality etc. should be easier than it ever was due to all of the available options.
The tough part in the equation is knowing what might best suit a person when they don't know the answer to that one themselves.
Hence, at best, we may get it close to what they need.
At least closer than "here just use this ego battery and an evod, it worked for me!"
But in the end this may be the easiest thing to do... lol.
Cheers.
Back in 2011 when I started, the amount of equipment was overwhelming to say the least. Most of it was crappy and everything needed modding. New releases were hit and miss in those regards too.(still is) It was very expensive just finding something that, even with tweaking was just, well, meh. I'm surprised any of us quit the stinkies.
Fast forward to today...all that same crap is still being sold to unsuspecting newbs, sometimes at inflated prices to boot. But there is also all the advances over the last 3-4 years too. Some great, some not so great. But the number of choices has grown probably tenfold(or more). We don't know what we want when we start, we just want whatever we get to keep us from smoking and work, for us.
Recommending something for a newb is a bit of a balancing act as the older stuff that is proven(or not) and the newer stuff that might be better(or not) but not proven with months of use. Add to that the fact that each of our needs and likes are different...except one usually, to get off smoking.
It's really no surprise that there will be as many differing opinions/suggestions as there are products on the market, for what is a good starting point for a newb.
People told me at the time I was starting out that the provari interface was complicated and finiky and a pain to use. Well it sorta was a little, until I learned how to use it, same as any electronic device.
Thinking cell phones/smartphones for example.
Today, most folks that have figured out how to use their smartphone can easily figure out a regulated battery and it's settings menus. Today to suggest a newb to get an outdated piece of equipment for vaping would be on par with telling a new cellphone user to start with a landline first.
Firstly it will not meet their needs and secondly it would be a waste of their money.
To sum up(finally), recommending a relatively "simple" device that has the necessary features and fits a newbs expectations ie. size, battery life, ease or complexity of use, aesthetics, functionality etc. should be easier than it ever was due to all of the available options.
The tough part in the equation is knowing what might best suit a person when they don't know the answer to that one themselves.
Hence, at best, we may get it close to what they need.
At least closer than "here just use this ego battery and an evod, it worked for me!"
But in the end this may be the easiest thing to do... lol.
Cheers.
True, but he received help, rather than just a link on a web site. I'm sure there are plenty of new vapers who have no troubles with 'advanced' equipment; I'll wager many do, though, and give up. The daily flood of posts by new vapers with issues is confirmation. How many don't find this site or others like it?
The real problem is that most of the people on this site are at least casual hobbyists. Most smokers are just looking for something they can quit smoking with, and not start a hobby. They want a plug and play device that just works. Therefore the basic devices are actually a bad fit for many smokers as they tend to require more patience. They want reliability and functionality without any headaches. This tends to come from larger batteries and better designed tanks. Which is at odds with many smokers desire to have a small device. Basically, the market is not at a point where there is one ideal setup for beginners. Therefore, the responsibility should rest with the advice giver as far as what is right for each individual.
These posts have always come in. Even with cartomizers, atomizers and clearos.
Someone will have a problem with any and every product on the market.
There is a learning curve with everything and some folks will just never "get it"
whether they come here or not. Cheers.
Instead of typin so much, I find it easier to wait for somebody to post your thoughts and just like them
I would have done anything to have had an Atlantis and a beefy box mod as my first gear. Those big fatty wick holes and BVC coils rarely fail. I could have avoided all my false starts and panic situations coming off of the stinkys. I would rec the Atlantis or the Sub or any other semi sophisticated gear to any newb. The idea is to get off of the stinkys. Recommending good quality gear is the best way to achieve this end.
You clearly are viewing the past with rose colored glasses. How many thousands of posts were there about burning taste from my protank/ce/vivi/carto/iclear, etc? The ONLY reason any body took the time to learn to rebuild a crappy protank coil is because they sucked so bad from the factory they didn't have a choice. Rebuild them, or throw out half a box every time. What you call "learning to vape properly" was really "learning how to get a modestly satisfying vape without flooding or burnt hits on this piece of crap." Nobody was learning how to do anything properly, we were learning how to work around the faults and limitations of the equipment we had.
Nowadays, those problems can be mostly solved for anybody who wants it to be. Halleluiah brothers and sisters. Can I get an Amen?
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Ahem... I started with atomizers and cartomizers years ago. Yes, they were not perfect, but they worked. I've never had a PV that didn't work--if one took the time to learn how to use it properly--or "learning how to get a modestly satisfying vape without flooding or burnt hits on this piece of crap." The same is true about the 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation devices. They are getting better and more efficient, but they are not perfect.
Can or can not? Not quite sure what you mean.
Anyway, we've always been solving problems here--from day one. It hasn't changed, yet.
Off-topic but since there's a lot of sub-tank users here I'll venture a question....The rebuildable section comes with a factory coil installed...Is this coil "Good to go" or should I put one of my own in? Anything else one should know about this section? I've never even taken it out of the box but I'm thinking about wicking it up and using it until the weather gets better and I can get out and purchase some coils. Edit: The stock coil seems amazingly well constructed...No need to replace it at all. My only slight concern is the super shallow juice channels but time will tell.
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How long you been vapin?
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I agree.
You can lower the wattage and adjust for airflow, but a coil designed to be used at high wattages [low(er) gauge wire] will not perform very well when/if you do. I like higher gauge wire (29-28) because it heats up faster and cools down faster at lower wattages. My coils last longer and I prefer that configuration: 1.6-1.8Ω, 29 g kanthal single coil (Kayfun build) at 12-16 watts or so with nice adjustable airflow (a bit more than a Kayfun airflow, though).
I hope that Kanger will make OCC coils specifically for Aerotanks. That was their intention from the start--the original BPDCs were supposed to work with other Kanger DC tanks. But then they realized that it wouldn't work and they designed a single coil OCC for the Subtank.
Kataya is the Kanger Kween. Mess with Kataya and you get the bird
Hey, a Kanger DC coil, rebuilt as a single coil, in an Aerotank or an Emow Mega is as good as many RTAs.
Edit: The stock coil seems amazingly well constructed...No need to replace it at all. My only slight concern is the super shallow juice channels but time will tell.
Some say it's very good. Try this thread--they will know.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/clearomizers/644323-kangertech-subtank-mini.html
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